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Speaking of which, between pissed off Danny Glover, crazy Gary Busey, and asshole Bill Paxton, Predator 2 is totally worth doing as well. I heartily endorse a double episode of Predator and Predator 2.
No, its really my fault for bringing it up, I just suggested it on the off chance people were free today, lots of the regulars weren't hence we didn't do it. I think the Wednesday times have been working out alright so far, and in general I defer to Faldor's scheduling availability as he's been the one putting in the time to edit these things.
Nope, didn't happen. I think we'll record it at whenever the next regular podcast is
Next weekend's results will really tell the tale, but even so, the "what went wrong?" post-mortems are already underway.
Its going to get crushed next weekend when Fast Six and Hangover 3 hit, both domestically and abroad (Fast and Furious movies are huge internationally). Part of me wants to feel good that they aren't being hugely rewarded for what isn't a very good movie, except that I don't think the things I dislike about it hurt the box office at all. Cinemascore was an A, most people seem to be positive about it, and the fans like me who think it drops the ball all still saw it. This looks more like a case of 2 things, a poor release date (sandwiched between Iron Man 3 and Fast Six), and a ceiling on how large of an audience you're going to get for a Star Trek movie.
I think the real lesson they should be taking from this is that a giant expensive explodey blockbuster is not the right approach, make it about the story, and scale back the budget. There is NO reason Star Trek movies should cost 200 million dollars. If we're lucky they'll take the series away from Abrams/Bad-Robot and let someone who actually understands the series have a crack at it. I think more than anything this movie shows a lot of the weaknesses of Abrams' re-imagining to begin with, by highlighting and magnifying the problems of the first movie. Star Trek should be a fun character driven series about space explorers, NOT an explodey check-your-brain-at-the-door set-piece driven action movie.
If we're lucky they give it to a new set of writers and do some kind of exploration story. I could also see them trying to cut costs and doing a present-day time-travel story a la Voyage Home, that could work because it would force them to hang the movie on the cast interactions (which are the best part about the Abrams movies) and downplay the action/conspiracy stuff.
Unfortunately, given the way Into Darkness goes, it seems likely that what they really want to do is a space war movie against the Klingons, and I think that's again not what this series should be about.
We could do early afternoon US west coast tomorrow, like 12PM or 1PM, that should be like 8/9PM UK time right? Could go even earlier if it works better for European folks.
Or just do it whenever at the next normal recording time
Any interest in recording a Star Trek into Darkness spoilercast this weekend (today or tomorrow)? I'm itching to talk about it and would prefer to record on a weekend instead of a weekday
Interestingly enough, while objectively its worse, given the option I'd actually re-watch Into Darkness before Trek 09. Despite all the things that make it a bad movie, I think its pretty watchable on an action movie level, to where if it was on cable, I'd probably watch it, whereas Trek 09 is more competent but pretty dull and forgettable to me (that one has 1-2 good set-pieces, this one has like 4-5).
Also, to say something positive for a change, I think Quinto absolutely nails Spock this time out, all his dialogue and deliveries are great in this one.
Well, you asked for it.
2. You have like 5 different people tell Kirk he's about to unleash a war with the Klingons, only for the Klingons to completely vanish from the movie after 1 scene, with no mention of them afterwards (presumably this is something that will matter in the sequel, but its a pretty GIANT loose thread and sloppy storytelling, why introduce them in the first place if they're just going to be a plot device in 1 scene).
3. 2 villains, both under-developed.
We know nothing about Khan for half the movie (neither through background, nor through his actions, aside from the fact he knows kung fu), then have him suddenly break out into a monologue to explain his entire backstory in a single scene. Wrath of Khan sort of does this too, but it also gives you lots of time with him to show you the guy's character, he's theatrical and has a personality. All Cumberbatch does is stand around and glower at people, he's super wasted and not given a personality. I actually thought they might be doing a cool thing here where in this timeline he'll be a good guy and team up with Kirk, but nope, gotta callback to Wrath of Khan.
Admiral Marcus is also super under-developed, he wants war with the Klingons because??? He's been building weapons tech in secret in a giant secret military facility over by Jupiter, which coincidentally has 0 security of any kind, then when Kirk uncovers this plan, he PERSONALLY pilots a ship to murder him and dispose of the evidence? That's like the president of the US personally flying an F-22 to blow up the 9/11 truthers.
4. Carol Marcus, what the hell is she even doing in this movie. You'd think she's there to be a romantic foil for Kirk, but the movie doesn't have time for that, so we'll just throw in a bikini shot of her for no reason and move on. If the movie narrowed its focus and only had 1 antagonist, the admiral, then she might have some interesting interplay there, but as it is, she's completely useless to the story (she literally gets beamed to her father's ship, gets her leg snapped, beams back aboard the enterprise, and vanishes).
5. Speaking of security, both Earth and the Klingon homeworld apparently have no defenses or any ships in orbit of any kind, a lazy oversight done purely so that the Enterprise won't be able to call anyone for help.
6. The awful 10 minute stretch where they butcher the most iconic scene from Wrath of Khan. Spock and Kirk have been friends for like a year at this point, this moment is not at all earned. It serves no character purpose, because Kirk has needed to learn humility, not self-sacrifice, and its a complete fan-wank waste of time anyway, because we've established Khan's magic blood already, so we know Kirk's not going to die anyway. If they actually had the balls to go through with it and kill of Kirk permenantly, I might actually be ok with this moment, but as is, it's terrible. And Spock yelling "Khan!!!" is such an unfathomably bad choice, something straight out of an SNL parody, I still cannot believe they did it.
7. The aforementioned magic blood is the kind of thing that would get you kicked out of a 1st year screenwriting class. Not only is it a cheap copout, but it re-fucks up the Star Trek canon that the last movie cleverly freed us from. Now these characters exist in a universe where you can at any moment teleport to any other point in the universe, and be brought back from the dead with magic blood.
And that's not even getting into the fact that Kirk is a total utter fuck-up, and would be in jail at the end of the movie for getting the city of San Francisco flattened by a giant space-ship.
I'll put it in Matrix Reloaded territory, though its better than Iron Man 2 on the strength of its action sequences.
I think the disconnect is happening because most of the action sequences are impressive and well staged, and most of the throwaway character banter is fun and works. This, combined with the story approach of keeping the audience in the dark until 60% of the way into the movie, allows it to feel like the movie is working as you're watching it, because you're giving the movie the benefit of the doubt that it will all make sense and that the movie knows what its doing. I think this is why its so high on RT (I hope that number goes down after the weekend, lest the bar for what a "good" movie is drop even further).
Of course, what you realize when you walk out, is that basically everything related to the actual STORY of the movie is an absolute mess and fails miserably, and the stuff they pull in the 3rd act is such awful fan-wank bullshit that it kills any good will the movie may have built up. This REALLY feels like Crystal Skull in the way that there's multiple plotlines and character arcs that go completely no-where or just disappear from the movie.
I think the movie will only get worse on repeated viewings, and it seems dumber and dumber the more you think about it. So many stupid choices.
Devin Farraci, who I normally vehemently disagree with, has a dead fucking on spoiler write-up as well about why its a terrible movie: http://badassdigest.com/2013/05/14/star … er-review/
Completely agree with Teague, the last 3rd of the movie is like some horrible piece of fan fiction.
I can't fathom why someone in Abrams' position would even attempt to do something so misguided, and this only confirms all of my fears about Star Wars ep.7 (though at least he's got a good writer on that one).
No you should definitely show up, I'm recording from work so there's a possibility I won't make it, and we need a star trek expert in the house.
I recommend at least dropping in at the designated time in case we have some no shows, then we'll decide who wants to sit in/out.
We could honestly go through a lot of them movie by movie chronologically, there's plenty to say about most of them. I haven't seen Generations/Insurrection/Nemesis, but can talk a lot about the original 6.
I love the shit out of The Motion Picture, great piece of hard sci-fi, great effects, great music. Pacing doesn't hold up too well, but it's no worse than 2001 in that regard.
damnit, wish you'd wait a week on the Star Trek discussion, it doesn't open in the US till this weekend, and I don't see it till Thursday.
Not 100%, as I'd be doing it from work again, but I think I can make it
Love Rango, its a cartoon for film-geeks first, kids second. Crazy homages to Raising Arizona, Apocalypse Now, Chinatown, you name it. And anyone who says Hans Zimmer is over-rated needs to listen to that score, which is amazing.
For what its worth, I'm inclined to blame Marc Foster for fucking up here more than anyone at the studio. Remember, he was Brad Pitt's choice, not necessarily the studio's. This looks more like the studio scrambling to fix his mess and make a workable, entertaining summer blockbuster.
I continue to be baffled by the process of filming a 200 million dollar movie before you've even written a 3rd act. How the fuck did we get to this point? That's like trying to fly a plane before you've finished building the wings.
If you tried that in any other industry, your ass would be out in the street or in jail. I mean christ, it was Brad Pitt's own production company, why did he feel so pressured to start filming on this if they clearly weren't ready, wait 3 months and you save tens of millions of dollars.
Also those vfx companies are gonna be shit out of luck when this movie bombs
It looks like the best scene from Mission to Mars, but for an entire movie, which is basically my dream movie.
I don't know, I just fundamentally don't see what people can strongly dislike about it. I don't even think its a case of visuals trumping story, I think it's a good story. A movie about how we've fucked over the fantasy world and it wants to get revenge, a pretty sympathetic villain, a fun/imaginative team of fantasy main characters, there's lots of good character beats throughout. Off the top of my head there's one major plot-hole, and the humans kinda turn against Hellboy on a dime, so ya its not perfect narratively, but its solid, and no more flawed than tons of movies DIF loves like Inception or Constantine. And that pretty good narrative is paired with outstanding visuals/effects and great action sequences.
Maybe I just need to rewatch it again, but I always remembered it as kinda being widely liked by fans/critics.
But ya, sorry for the digression, didn't mean to sidetrack.
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