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I wouldnt be surprised if Disney didn't slow things down for a while

They're going to, apparently. Can't remember where I read this but Solo not exactly being a huge box office hit, they're gonna go back to a one-per-year ratio.

I can't think of a better way to lose twenty billion dollars than to impatiently flood the market with Star Wars.

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That was the weirdest thing about this whole rollout. They reshot the entire movie but refused to shift the release date back to December and then didn't start marketing until late February. It's such an obvious blunder for Disney to make when they're usually the marketing king.

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So while the focus seems to be on the future Star Wars movies....I kind of feel like I'm losing interest in new movies and am instead looking towards the past. Will we ever see a restored HD release of the unaltered theatrical versions of the OT with a proper color correction? Disney seems content to keep pushing out movie after movie so it doesn't seem likely at the moment. Unless they change their plans, I guess I'll stick to the various fan restorations of 35mm prints.

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Don't believe we will as long as Kathleen Kennedy is in charge–she's made it clear she has no interest in putting out the theatrical OT. I also wouldn't be surprised if George had somehow mandated in the terms of the sale that Disney couldn't release anything but the Special Editions. Sucks that that seems to be the situation, but we have the Despecialized Editions as well as the fan 4K restorations from original film prints that are in progress.

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We may find out when Lucasfilm decides to release the OT on UHD Blu-ray. The 2004 and 2011 versions of the Special Edition exists only as a 1080p digital master (that's about 1920x800 pixels for 2.35:1 movies), so they'll have to either scale it up or rescan the available film elements. The latter approach would give us the theatrical cuts or the 1997 SE (the 2004 and 2011 changes would have to be recreated).

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That was the weirdest thing about this whole rollout. They reshot the entire movie but refused to shift the release date back to December and then didn't start marketing until late February. It's such an obvious blunder for Disney to make when they're usually the marketing king.

I can still hear the screams of agony of a thousand VFX artists.

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No kidding. The VFX work was largely impeccable, too, which means they must have been busting their asses to even more than the exorbitant degree the tight schedule was already causing.

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And if it was released in converted 3D — I don't know — god help those poor bastards.

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Whatever, I'm sure they were fairly paid and compensated, and were able to get reasonable amounts of rest, right?

... Right?

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Whatever, I'm sure they were fairly paid and compensated, and were able to get reasonable amounts of rest, right?

... Right?

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The A.C. Crispin trilogy is still a more complete story in my opinion (it better be) but Solo works well for a movie.

I thought a lot of the movie, particularly the opening reminded me of the Han Solo trilogy. Which I read years ago.

Knowing that Jon Kasdan through in some EU references I do wonder how familiar he was with those books.

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Burning off all of my negative energy from Solo because . . .

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I... kinda didn't want to know that? I may be absolutely the only one here. But just in case, you might want to spoiler tag it.

EDIT: Thanks Prax, appreciate it.

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Oh shit, sorry, you're completely right. Spoilered appropriately. Should've been overcautious.

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Yeah I got blindsided by it on Facebook v.v

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*smacks hands together, dusting-off*

My here work is done.



(Frankly, I think we should draw a cultural distinction between what counts as a spoiler and what counts as a warning, but... I do understand the principle.  big_smile )

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Heh. I'd like to emphasize the fact that I have zero grey-area on this but it's on me, and I just wanted to make sure some people don't end up learning something they wouldn't want to. I don't feel entitled, and I have no grudge against Prax for not spoiler-tagging it before. If anything, I feel like a party-blower for being so extreme about it.

But yeah. The less I know about a movie beforehand, the better I feel. I'm mathematically the exact opposite from Owen.



(except Solo which I spoil-rotted myself with, because I just don't give a shit about that movie)

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(except Solo which I spoil-rotted myself with, because I just don't give a shit about that movie)

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Has anybody heard about the Star Wars Legacy Edition restoration project? (https://vimeo.com/channels/starwarslegacy)
It's being done by stacking multiple 35mm release prints of the original film to achieve more overall detail than would be present on any individual print.

And the guy doing it is somebody named Mike Verta. He also happened to be a composer on Return of Pink Five as well as a Visual Effects Sequence Supervisor on it so his name might be familiar to Trey (directed the Pink Five series) and Teague (who was an effects artist on the film). Thoughts on Verta and his project? I think it's fascinating, but it seems like something that he could never release to the public unfortunately.

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Trey knows him fairly well, I think. I've only worked with him a tiny bit, and met him once a million years ago.

The stacking idea seems fraught with peril, to be honest; unless all of the frames you're overlapping... for every frame in the movie... are per-fect-ly stacked... you're just gonna be adding weird ghosting artifacts, I'd imagine.

In other words: unless you nail it, the results are likely to be worse than what you started with.

That said, these sort of alignments can already be automated by certain software packages (Photoshop, for instance), so — theoretically — it's not totally unfeasible. On the other hand, Photoshop's tools for this wouldn't be of much help in the first place, and Photoshop would only be able to do it one-frame-at-a-time anyway, so in the best case you'd expect to require at least one manual click for every frame of the movie, and god help you.

Software to properly automate this process this would probably need to be custom-written; but if you did write it, you could probably find ten studios to sell it to. In principle, something along these lines could probably handle half or more of the necessary restoration for pretty much any movie, and there's definitely a market for that.

In any case, Verta's an unbelievably talented guy, and totally correct about how hideous the Blu-Rays are.

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That's honestly the thing that bugs me most about the Special Editions outside of stuff like the new Vader NOOOOOOO and such. It really doesn't feel like George even gave a shit by the end. The color timing is a fucking eyesore—everything is shaded blue and orange and magenta. It can't be a thing where he's trying to bring them closer in line with the prequels, either, because those still had a natural sense of light and color.

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Teague wrote:

Trey knows him fairly well, I think. I've only worked with him a tiny bit, and met him once a million years ago.

The stacking idea seems fraught with peril, to be honest; unless all of the frames you're overlapping... for every frame in the movie... are per-fect-ly stacked... you're just gonna be adding weird ghosting artifacts, I'd imagine.

In other words: unless you nail it, the results are likely to be worse than what you started with.

That said, these sort of alignments can already be automated by certain software packages (Photoshop, for instance), so — theoretically — it's not totally unfeasible. On the other hand, Photoshop's tools for this wouldn't be of much help in the first place, and Photoshop would only be able to do it one-frame-at-a-time anyway, so in the best case you'd expect to require at least one manual click for every frame of the movie, and god help you.

Software to properly automate this process this would probably need to be custom-written; but if you did write it, you could probably find ten studios to sell it to. In principle, something along these lines could probably handle half or more of the necessary restoration for pretty much any movie, and there's definitely a market for that.

In any case, Verta's an unbelievably talented guy, and totally correct about how hideous the Blu-Rays are.

Yeah he mentions in one of his videos that it requires absolutely pixel-perfect alignment otherwise there will be artifacts. He developed some tool called "Beelzebub" which is what actually carries out the alignment and vertical denoising, but he does still have to check frames for artifacts.

The Photoshop alignment is interesting. Can it actually achieve pixel perfect alignment considering that different sources would have different warping? I use GIMP with the "image registration" plugin to align frames from different sources. But I still have to go in and manually match the warping from one source to the other. It would be amazing if Photoshop can do this perfectly without tons of manual work per frame.

But anyway, Verta did give a presentation on some of his methods recently somewhere in Hollywood where lots of important people from Disney, Lucasfilm, and ILM were present, and were apparently very impressed with what they saw. Maybe something tangible will come of this in the future.

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