Topic: Birdman

Was gonna post in general movies thread, but honestly, if fucking Hobbit 2 can have its own thread, Birdman deserves a thread. Plus I figure there's enough speculative stuff about what it means that people might want to discuss as it opens in more and more theaters.

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Short of it is: I've seen it twice now in the last 3 days. Could honestly buy another ticket tomorrow night I love it so much.

Everyone will get hung up on the single-take aspect, which yes, is fucking astonishing. Thing is, it's not the fact that it's a single take, it's that the camera-work and lighting is exceptional in every scene, AND that they pull it all off within the constraints of the single-shot format. Children of Men was my reigning champ for this stuff up till now (Gravity is kinda cheating since its mostly CG), but Birdman knocks it out of the park. I'm trying to think of if in-shot time-transitions have been done like this before, I'm sure there's an example but I can't think of one.

Then you have the amaaaazing jazz drum score, which I've definitely never seen done before, and is terrific and perfect (and A+ on the credits sequences btw).

All paired with a movie that despises the superhero stuff as much as I do, and pulls great performances out of everyone involved. Keaton is great sure, but this also might be my favorite Norton role, Emma Stone crushes it, Riseborough is adorable (between Contagion, Oblivion, and this she's kicking ass in supporting roles last few years), Galifinakis is toned down but hilarious.

There's a few clunky lines here and there, but it doesn't bother me in the least when taken in the grand scheme of this movie (its no different than a movie like Network, which is similarly declarative and over-the-top at times).

I don't know, all I can say is if you've been as cynical about the future of movies as I've been lately, Birdman is a hell of an inspiration, and if nothing else, is an incredibly fun and easy watch.

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I heard it was good, but it also seems EXTREMELY unlikely to get a release in Japan, although occasionally the theater tyrants here surprise me. My best hope is that it's popularity holds out long enough that I can see it at a random theater in central Florida when I come home in late December. That's not too much of a stretch, right?

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Not a stretch at all. It's an Oscar contender so it'll probably get a wide release around that time, if not earlier.

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Pfffft, that's not Birdman....

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Sorry, any excuse smile

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Ya, I think it's doing 500 theaters next weekend, and the theater averages are holding strong so far, so it wouldn't surprise me if it hit 2000 theaters before its run is out. Theater last night was packed, and unlike a lot of awards-circuit movies, this one is very funny and re-watchable, not bleak and depressing.

I hope it sweeps the Oscars the way Gravity did last year. Cinematography is a lock already, I'm 100% certain on that. I would say Keaton is almost a lock for Best Actor, Emma Stone has a shot at Best Supporting, and it oughta be a frontrunner for Best Director and Best Picture. And unlike Gravity, it actually does sorta have a shot at the Screenplay award as well.

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Just got back.  Enjoyed greatly.  Not sure I'd call any aspect a "lock" for an award - too early in the season for that.  But definitely a contender for directing, writing, cinematography, and multiple acting nominations.  Go.  Go now.

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I really enjoyed it, and I'm quite keen to go watch it again at the end of the week.
I think it's gonna be a real Marmite film, but I'd recommend it on the grounds that 1) it has its own unique flavour, and 2) you'll still be thinking about it well after you've seen it.

I just really hope the writers don't come right out and explain what they were going for, because as it is right now, it's open to a lot of delicious layers of interpretation.

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Ah, so it's one of those "if we don't explain anything, people will think it's deep" movies? smile

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Well, nothing about it particularly needs "explanation" - the story itself is pretty straightforward, really.  But the movie goes back and forth between reality and Keaton's inner life and thoughts - what's debatable is how much of what we see is actually happening.   

The makers probably could answer that question definitively, but you can also make your own interpretation without "missing" anything.

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Well, it's a movie, so NONE of it is actually happening...

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Invid wrote:

Well, it's a movie, so NONE of it is actually happening...

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Invid wrote:

Ah, so it's one of those "if we don't explain anything, people will think it's deep" movies? smile

No, I have a feeling that the filmmakers have a relatively clear idea of what it's about, and that they think it is communicated by the movie. And I think I see what they're going for (broadly speaking).
I just also think it would be a shame if they clarified it, because, as it stands, for reasons that are difficult to explain*, it's open to multiple interpretations, most of which support roughly the same ideology.

*the best analogy I can come up with is:
1-1+1-1+1-1
Is that 0? Or is it -4, or is it -2? Or something else?

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Herc wrote:
Invid wrote:

Ah, so it's one of those "if we don't explain anything, people will think it's deep" movies? smile

No, I have a feeling that the filmmakers have a relatively clear idea of what it's about, and that they think it is communicated by the movie. And I think I see what they're going for (broadly speaking).
I just also think it would be a shame if they clarified it, because, as it stands, for reasons that are difficult to explain*, it's open to multiple interpretations, most of which support roughly the same ideology.

*the best analogy I can come up with is:
1-1+1-1+1-1
Is that 0? Or is it -4, or is it -2? Or something else?

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I think the ending is perfect, it's the good kind of open to interpretation, where I leave smiling.

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fireproof78 wrote:

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2+2=5, for reasonably large values of 2.

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So, I'm kinda curious about how people felt about the argument/discussion that Riggan has with the theatre critic in the bar.

Do you think we were we "supposed" to pick a "side" of that argument? Because I agreed with both of them.

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Saw it. Did not like it a whole lot. Did a podcast about it! My co-host really liked it, so it's a really fun discussion.

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I don't know Doc's opinion. I just know, increasingly, that Doc is actually an evil fuck.

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Teague wrote:

I don't know Doc's opinion. I just know, increasingly, that Doc is actually an evil fuck.

We came to a surprisingly peaceful conclusion on the podcast.

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Teague wrote:

I don't know Doc's opinion. I just know, increasingly, that Doc is actually an evil fuck.

He loves Her, that has to count for something.

...then again, even Hilter loved Snow White.

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