Topic: Tim's Vermeer

I watched Tim's Vermeer and really loved it and have done a little further research on it. Here is an overlay of the real painting of The Music Lesson with Tim Jenison's version.

http://www.zarban.com/pics/Tims-Vermeer-overlay.jpg

Note that Tim didn't care about the exact placement of the figures and furniture (he was primarily interested in capturing the tonal shift in the shadows, something the human brain is very bad at and cameras--and Jan Vermeer--are very good at). But he did care about the perspective. I think he got the major aspect of perspective just right. Note how the overall frame of the room is really close (I actually cut off the left edge of the original a little, and its frame hid a little all the way around, or it would be nearly perfect.)

But the tiles and the window show that something is obviously off. Now Tim is a 3D artist and constructed the room in his computer first, so he presumably took note of the size and focal length of the virtual camera's lens. Yet, he never mentions the difference in the flooring, something you could actually eyeball against the real painting and get a closer match on your copy.

It's funny to say "I got a slight curvature to the harpsichord's seahorse motif just like Vermeer!" and yet be way off on the perspective of the floor tiles.

I suspect that adding the shaving mirror into the mix ruined any verisimilitude he could have had by making the 3D room, noting the size of the lens, and making a lens that size (however roughly). Can any 3D artists confirm what would have caused the difference?

For those who haven't watched the film, Tim constructed a room as identical as possible in size to Vermeer's studio and used a handmade lens to project the scene onto the back wall of the room. Then he put a concave shaving mirror against the wall and used a flat mirror to reflect that into his eye so he could see both the projection and the painting he was creating at the same time.

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Could you give me a cropped version of each? Basically, the image above, cropped like it is, but presented separately instead of as one overlaid image?

My first thought is that you're right and it has to do with lens distortion, but once I run a couple tests on it I'll have a better sense of things.

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The Photoshop file
http://www.zarban.com/pics/Tims-Vermeer-overlay.psd

Tim's version
http://www.zarban.com/pics/Tims-Vermeer.jpg

The original, placed in the frame just as I've overlaid (and slightly rotated) it
http://www.zarban.com/pics/Vermeers-Vermeer.jpg

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For those who haven't seen the film, look at Tim's version and reflect on the fact that Tim had never picked up a paint brush before starting the project. This was his first attempt at color, even. His handful of tests had been black and white.

For anyone with an interest in both art and imaging technology, this film is a must-see. It's just a fascinating--charming--look at a smart guy obsessed with solving a mystery.

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We had a bit of a chat about this a while back in the last movie you watched thread
http://friendsinyourhead.com/forum/view … 611#p55611

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Recent lecture by Steadman (consultant to the movie) here...

not long to go now...

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Really enjoyed this doc. It reminded me of something Adam Savage would do.
Art meets science and technology.

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What the guy did is great. The doc itself, however, is structured a little too much like a pseudoscience film. The whole them against the art world part is exaggerated if not just made up. They compared works painted 500 years apart and implied the jump in realism was sudden and thus mysterious. I'd love to know if Penn did this intensionally, or if he just relied on the wrong people for his info. Given this was his friend he was filming, more benefit of the doubt may have been given to his beliefs.

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