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Saw it for a second time today, with my wife and am finally able to get my thoughts down pretty well.

The Good:

The characters-I thoroughly enjoy the new characters, especially Poe and Rey. Rey is an interesting mystery, and I like seeing the "unknown potential" being unlocked and her past is left deliberately mysterious. Poe is snarky and sarcastic and fun, and is a great fun. Wish he had a little more screen time, but he made up for it in the last half of the film.

Finn is probably the most interesting to me from a psychological level, as my wife and I talked about at length the psychology of his character. I understand that the film doesn't go in to the details, but I think Finn was shocked out of his conditioning by all the death. The first mission is all about preserving order, and then the First Order slaughters whatever and whoever. There might be more, but I imagined it as a kind of "shell shock" that many green soldiers can encounter.

Kylo Ren is also extremely interesting as a villain, and I enjoyed the conflict that he is going through as part of the process of the film. He wasn't what I expected in the villain, which was a nice change of pace. He is powerful, and yet unrefined in many ways. I will be curious to see his development as well.

The visuals were great. There were only a couple of moments that I didn't fully buy in to (the Raptar sequence especially) but the starships zooming around and doing some amazing stunts were definitely the highlight of the film for me.

The story was interesting, even if it rehashed many beats from ANH. The characters who were going on the journey were the more enjoyable facet, so regardless of repeat storylines, the characters made it much more interesting.

Choreography-possibly due to being on this forum for too long but I really enjoyed the fights. Not just the lightsaber, but all the blaster play. Finn, Han, Rey, Chewie and even Kylo all had their own moments of just plan combat superiority. Han takes out three troopers, one without even looking. Chewie's bowcaster is a bit overpowered, and I thought it was great.

Speaking of great, I really enjoyed the lightsaber fights. I haven't read all the comments in this thread, but I thought that seeing Finn, Kylo and Rey go at it, each with their own strengths, and inexperience, was quite neat. There was some good moves, some great use of the environment, and even Kylo's crossguards. More impressively, no one lost any limbs O_o What kind of Star Wars movie is this?


The bad-

The ending...too blasted long with the helicopter shot. Could have had Luke pull his hood away, reveal, and credits. It was too long, especially since Luke wasn't going to be doing any more in the film anyway.

Starkiller base-ugh, it's the Death Star but bigger. And the film calls it out!  roll The only cool part was the environment provided for Hux's speech and lightsaber duel.

Rey being left behind-there better be a good reason or I will be upset. I recognize that I have a bit of sensitivity towards children, but it is quite frustrating to have no reasons, and to leave her at 4 years old!

Poe's miraculous retrieval-apparently he got better. I hope that gets explained, somehow, because it seems a bit of a "lantern hanging" moment without actually addressing it. Not really a major issue but still minorly irritating.

Conclusion
This is such a fun film. Aside from two scenes that I struggle through, I had a blast. For me, it may be a rehash of the best of the OT (aside from Death Star 3.0) but it was a fun movie. All the characters work for me and definitely left me wanting more.

9/10.

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For me, it may be a rehash of the best of the OT

A jukebox movie (analogous to jukebox broadway musicals) i.e. greatest hits of Episode 4. I can't help feeling that 80% of the box office is due to nostalgia value rather than the actual merits of the movie (were it the same story but not under the Star Wars "brand"), it'd earn a middling Oblivion/Elysium/Edge of Tomorrow return.

It is astonishing that the Prequels didn't seem to erode the goodwill in the Star Wars franchise, or if they did, all you need is 10 years and some air-clearing hype to restore the fan goodwill again. Bullet-proof IP. Terminator Genysis also tried to be a "jukebox movie" but failed terribly.

Will Episode 7 surpass Titanic? Looks like it. Does it deserve to? Not in my opinion.

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The thing is, every time I hear someone try to tell me that it's "the exact same movie" or just a rehash, the most they can give me is the big details. Giant murder ball, desert planet, father/son relationship. And yes, absolutely that's all there, but everything that actually composes those large pieces is different. Fundamentally so. It's the same building blocks, but they're all made out of different materials, and painted pretty colours. The character dynamics are new, the story is different, we're accomplishing different things, we're talking about different things. So much so, that when the credits roll, you are left with something entirely different. I don't walk out of The Force Awakens feeling like I just watched A new Hope 2.0. I walk out feeling like I just watched something awesome and Star Wars-y and different.

Obviously your mileage may vary, but I just don't see the arguments for it being "just a rehash", there is too much else going on that is fun and character driven, and funny, and interesting.

If that's not enough for you, fine, that's you. But you cannot deny what this movie is, that A New Hope isn't.

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Did anyone else think that Maz Katana was a huge problem for the film?  I was 100% on board with the film for the 1st hour.  It really felt like Star Wars, and then cam Maz.  She really pulled me out of it because it felt like her scenes first of all ruined the pacing of the movie (they were wayyy too slow, and lacked any kind of the adventurousness of the 1st hour), secondly she seemed to exist only for expositional purposes, and thirdly, the voice acting for her was horrible.  For these reasons I felt like she was worse than some of the prequel characters (some, not all).

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

The thing is, every time I hear someone try to tell me that it's "the exact same movie" or just a rehash, the most they can give me is the big details...

I see what you mean, and I would agree with you if anyone said it's JUST a rehash.

But for me, the parts that aren't a rehash (which are LOADS of fun and great character stuff) are significantly hamstrung BY the rehashed bits.

Specifically the third act. All the character stuff was completely undercut (IMO) because the great, awesome, epic battle was almost the same damn thing as a New Hope and Jedi. While the character stuff was good, the movie kept cutting back to a battle that we've seen before--pulling me out of the movie and refusing to let me stay involved with the good parts.

All the cuts to "five minutes to firing!" "two minutes to firing!" "thirty seconds to firing!" were ridiculous and lacked any tension. Seriously. THERE WAS NO TENSION in the battle scenes because we knew what was going to happen. I would almost have preferred they just have the battle entirely in the background and stayed on the character stuff.
The only way to subvert that would be to have the good guys fail to destroy Death Star 3 (which I maintain would have been amazing).

So the fact that the bad guys learned nothing from the other stories makes them idiots. Idiot bad guys=no tension.
The rehash of the death star battles means we knew all the "almost firing!" cuts were useless. This=no tension.

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There were great, original things about this movie and I would never say it's "just" a rehash, but the rehash rising action and climax robbed the good parts of their impact. This movie is like a zombie toddler gumming you; It's adorable and interesting, but there's no doubt about how it's going to end.

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So I'm having a discussion on FaceBook about plot holes.  Is a plot hole something that can not be explained or is it something that doesn't make sense in the movie?  I personally think it's the later.  I think Star wars Episode 7 has a lot of plot holes with regards to Rey and her force abilities.  She seems to be able to do things without it being established that she had training and what not.

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A plot hole to me is something inconsistent, not necessarily missing information. Simpler example: the whole "how did Poe get off Jakku?" thing. We can assume he found a way, that's fine. There's certainly nothing in the movie that contradicts that, or gives us a reason to think it would be impossible.

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Yeah, that's more in line with what I was thinking.  I can buy that Rey can understand Droid Speech and Wookie.  I can buy that she can fix different mechanical things and that she can fly almost any type of ship.  I just thought that the force Mastery in her was too rushed.  There seems to be some lazy writing in TFA.  And Poe getting off Jakku wasn't one of them.

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switch wrote:

I just thought that the force Mastery in her was too rushed

As Luke's daughter, her mitochlorian e-meter reading would be 11. Carrie on steroids.

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That wasn't established in the movie though dude.

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switch wrote:

That wasn't established in the movie though dude.

That was intentional. The movie left us with lots to wonder about. It's like Jon Snow's sword. We can speculate that it's made of Valyrian steel, and that Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers, but it hasn't been established yet. We'll find out later on.

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Rey being powerful too quickly really comes down to differences in perception of the Force. TFA is a successor to ANH and ESB, where the Force was about feelings and instincts, not training and experience (which seemed to dominate the PT, the books, and the TV series). It ties into what Trey talked about as his main criticism on the ANH commentary way back when. In the original, you had Luke learning to use the Force very quickly and with actually very little in the way of training. He goes from knowing nothing about the Force to blocking blaster bolts blindfolded (in just two attempts) and using it to make a one in a million shot with torpedoes. Why? Because he reached out with his feelings and let the Force flow through him. Obi Wan and Yoda are not seen actually instructing him to do anything in a specific way. Yoda doesn't tell Luke the button combination to lift the X-wing. He just says to do it (and Luke fails not because he doesn't have x hours in jedi lifting but because he believes it's too heavy.)

Rey does the same. She lets the Force take over. So yeah, not a plot hole when Luke did it and not a plot hole now that Rey is doing it.

As for the rehash argument, it only really works when you distill a plot element to its most basic level. The ordering of the reused elements from ANH, for instance, occur in a different order and resolve under different circumstances. There's a 'lowering the shields of the enemy base' situation in TFA for instance, but it's not in any way similar to ROTJ. Vital information gets loaded into a droid and that droid does get captured by a desert dweller, but the manner in which that droid both gets captured and released are completely different. Their escape from the desert planet is also completely different.

It seems that many forget that TFA is a sequel, and sequels always rehash previously used elements. I just don't see why TFA is being held to a different standard. Why is Terminator 2, practically a remake of Terminator, not given this same criticism for example? I even see talk about how for all their craptasticness the prequels at least introduced new things, which is completely at odds with how they recycled planets, dialogue, shots, situations, characters and designs to the same degree. It's like a sudden collective amnesia has happened.

As for the film's success being due mostly to nostalgia? That's rubbish. The film is introducing a whole new generation to Star Wars (some of whom wouldn't even know who Han Solo is) and has broad appeal which is bringing in people of all ages, colours and sex. It's also a very entertaining, crowd-pleaser with lots of laughs and surprises with characters that you enjoy watching. People are not going back for multiple viewings because they want to see that moment when the holo-chess turns on again.

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I agree with everything you said about "rehash" stuff. It doesn't bother me that stuff was used again.

My problem is WHICH stuff they used again rendered the third act tension-less and the bad guys morons who learned nothing. I'm not disappointed because "the movie SUCKED!!!11" (it didn't). I'm disappointed because it was doing so well and then fizzled out on the CLIMAX.
TFA is just ok. It could have been great.

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If Starkiller were the focus of the climax I'd be more inclined to agree, but it's not. It's the characters we're concerned about, and that forest duel is incredibly tense for that reason. The climax is about Ren, Finn and Rey and where they're going as characters, Starkiller is just an excuse to get them to that point.

As for the bad guys being stupid: even ignoring the fact that superpowers in the real world enjoy doing the same thing over and over again and being surprised when it doesn't work, the First Order being stupid in this regard makes sense. They're slavishly imitating and idolizing the old Empire, flaws and all. Does that make the movie perfect or fix the fact that another giant ball is a dumb idea? No, but I just don't understand someone saying Starkiller ruins the entire movie for them when there's so much goodness in the rest of it.

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Herc wrote:

A plot hole to me is something inconsistent, not necessarily missing information. Simpler example: the whole "how did Poe get off Jakku?" thing. We can assume he found a way, that's fine. There's certainly nothing in the movie that contradicts that, or gives us a reason to think it would be impossible.


I think that's correct. IIRC the Wikipedia page for "Plot Hole" observes that a true plot hole is something that is essential to a story's outcome. The way I tend to say it is that it's not merely some little detail that is kind of wonky but rather something that should make sense/have been explained in order for the story as a whole to be coherent. But there is some subjectivity in these determinations. So if someone feels Rey's being too Force-y too fast is a plot hole, I understand. I didn't regard it as problematic myself, but it's a reasonable point to raise. Her facility with the force is a key story point.

Indeed a pilot surviving a crash doesn't require any explanation whatsoever. People survive crashes. Not a plot hole because it's obvious what happened (he survived, just as Finn did), and what happened isn't extraordinary or illogical. Now if we'd seen Poe's limp body engulfed in flames only for him to pop up later in the movie fit as a fiddle, then that would probably require an explanation.

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redxavier wrote:

Rey being powerful too quickly really comes down to differences in perception of the Force. TFA is a successor to ANH and ESB, where the Force was about feelings and instincts, not training and experience (which seemed to dominate the PT, the books, and the TV series). It ties into what Trey talked about as his main criticism on the ANH commentary way back when. In the original, you had Luke learning to use the Force very quickly and with actually very little in the way of training. He goes from knowing nothing about the Force to blocking blaster bolts blindfolded (in just two attempts) and using it to make a one in a million shot with torpedoes. Why? Because he reached out with his feelings and let the Force flow through him. Obi Wan and Yoda are not seen actually instructing him to do anything in a specific way. Yoda doesn't tell Luke the button combination to lift the X-wing. He just says to do it (and Luke fails not because he doesn't have x hours in jedi lifting but because he believes it's too heavy.)

Rey does the same. She lets the Force take over. So yeah, not a plot hole when Luke did it and not a plot hole now that Rey is doing it.

I will point out that there is a difference between blocking blaster bolts after a couple hours training and mind controlling people with absolutely zero training. Being force sensitive naturally conveys enhanced reflexes and physical abilities, so being better at flying, fighting, blocking blaster bolts, etc. makes sense. My bullshit meter thinks mind controlling someone takes still, finesse and practice.

Writhyn wrote:

I agree with everything you said about "rehash" stuff. It doesn't bother me that stuff was used again.

My problem is WHICH stuff they used again rendered the third act tension-less and the bad guys morons who learned nothing. I'm not disappointed because "the movie SUCKED!!!11" (it didn't). I'm disappointed because it was doing so well and then fizzled out on the CLIMAX.
TFA is just ok. It could have been great.

People keep jumping on the fact that they "rebuild the deathstar and got wrecked again." Starkiller base worked. It one-shot an entire major space government and it's whole fleet. Sure, it got blown up afterwards, but it was still almost certainly worth it.

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My not 3d liking-nessd with standing. (I find it hard to define edges some how when its all 3d - its just blurry) The worst part of TFA is... is Luke good or Evil at the end. (( I did find my mate calling hans 'son' star destroyer nose in 3d a little harsh))

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Darth Praxus wrote:

If Starkiller were the focus of the climax I'd be more inclined to agree, but it's not. It's the characters we're concerned about, and that forest duel is incredibly tense for that reason. The climax is about Ren, Finn and Rey and where they're going as characters, Starkiller is just an excuse to get them to that point.

As for the bad guys being stupid: even ignoring the fact that superpowers in the real world enjoy doing the same thing over and over again and being surprised when it doesn't work, the First Order being stupid in this regard makes sense. They're slavishly imitating and idolizing the old Empire, flaws and all. Does that make the movie perfect or fix the fact that another giant ball is a dumb idea? No, but I just don't understand someone saying Starkiller ruins the entire movie for them when there's so much goodness in the rest of it.

I'm inclined to agree, though I have mixed feelings on it.

First of all, Starkiller base does bother me. Not in a moving ruining sort of way, but it bothers me.

However, the characters are great. I want to see them succeed, and win the day, and move towards their goals. I was upset that Poe ended up gone for one act of the film, because i honestly liked him. Finn is interesting in his rejection and trauma towards the First Order, rejecting everything it stands for. Rey is an enigma, and is so earnest in her desire to belong, and her reluctance to leave that is intriguing.

A lot of these are emotional connections to the character, so I understand that some people don't get on board with them. Rey, in particular, I understand a lot of the criticism about her Force powers. But, for me, there is a certain raw edge to her power discovery and Kylo Ren, like they are both unrefined and don't understand the full nature of the Force, but are growing in their awareness.

I think part of it is my willingness to fill in some gaps, which I am very much guilty of doing on a number of films. I think that Kylo Ren's mind probe of Rey revealed more of his knowledge of the Force than he meant to, kind of in a "a door open goes both ways" kind of thing. Rey seems to take away a lot of fundamentals of Force powers through his attempts to get inside her mind.

Also, with Kylo, he feels so unrefined in his power (I pity the repair crews in the First Order something awful) that is really a different take on a Force user. Again, like Rey, there is a raw sense to it that really intrigues me on a character level.

Is it overt in the film? No, but I like different takes on characters and that's what keeps me interested.

So, the story isn't that original but I love these characters.

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Also, with Kylo, he feels so unrefined in his power (I pity the repair crews in the First Order something awful) that is really a different take on a Force user. Again, like Rey, there is a raw sense to it that really intrigues me on a character level.

Kylo is so adept at using the force -- except when he flies into a rage, at which point he goes completely analog. It nicely differentiates him from Anakin, who used the force to mind-crush shit when he lost it about Padme's death.

The idea of the repair crew guy would make a funny fan film. It's just one guy named Roy who has to go around fixing all the Keurig machines and paper-jammed copiers Kylo has trashed.

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I have a question...in regards to the whole using the force without training thing.

Why does no one ever question the fact that Luke can just up and do shit in Empire? It's been a couple years sure, but Obi Wan's dead, there's never any reference to him training with ghosty, we don't meet Yoda til after Hoth and as far as we know, every other Jedi in the galaxy is dead. Did he just try really really hard and started figuring shit out on his own?

Granted he can't do a lot, but it certainly leads credence to the idea that force users can just learn stuff on their own.

(That said, I personally ascribe to the whole "between whatever the fudge happened happened at Maz's and whatever happened between her and Kylo, some switches got flipped and jumped up that otherwise wouldn't have in Rey's head. Ren also seems to be pretty freaked out when he realizes what's happening "She's just starting to flex her powers, the longer it takes to find her, the powerful she'll become" or whatever the line was. He definitely seems to know something we don't.)

My bet is that a force sensitive person left alone goes sort of along the Harry Potter route, their powers are tied to their emotions, they have no control over it whatsoever. They are deeply tied to the force, but have no ability to control their own minds and channel it into something useful, they become a hurricane of force energy. If they are angry Aunts start blowing up, if they are happy confetti flies out of the nearest kitchen sink... or something *cough*. Hence why training is necessary. But someone tied to the force will always be close to the force. My guess is this is why the Jedi were always so insistent on getting them young. Their powers have less of a chance to be bound to their emotions.

Now all that said, that's just pure conjecture on my part, and for all I know has been intricately detailed out in the EU that I've never read.

Also...“Fear is the path to the dark side…fear leads to anger…anger leads to hate…hate leads to suffering.”

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

Why does no one ever question the fact that Luke can just up and do shit in Empire? It's been a couple years sure, but Obi Wan's dead, there's never any reference to him training with ghosty, we don't meet Yoda til after Hoth and as far as we know, every other Jedi in the galaxy is dead. Did he just try really really hard and started figuring shit out on his own?

If I recall correctly, the only force-y thing he does before he goes to Dagobah is pull his lightsaber to himself in the wampa cave, and he struggles to do even that.

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Granted he can't do a lot, but it certainly leads credence to the idea that force users can just learn stuff on their own.

I'm sure they can, I mean, someone had to figure this shit out the first time, but figuring out mind control on your second try when you've only learned you have the force today seems a little far fetched.

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ShadowDuelist wrote:

If I recall correctly, the only force-y thing he does before he goes to Dagobah is pull his lightsaber to himself in the wampa cave, and he struggles to do even that.

True, it was just a thought I had.

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I'm sure they can, I mean, someone had to figure this shit out the first time, but figuring out mind control on your second try when you've only learned you have the force today seems a little far fetched.

The thing is though, it's not like she knew it was going to work, she didn't just stroll in there and go "You do this, you do that." it was a last ditch effort, a "fuck it, might as well give it a shot" move. She knows the force can do crazy things, she can probably feel it sitting there just on the edge of her vision ever since Maz pointed it out, that weird thing that was in the corner of her eye her entire life and only now is it actually named. She can feel it flowing in the room, as it flows everywhere... and so she gives it a shot. Aaaaand it doesn't work, she's tries again...the dude laughs at her and walks over. And stares her directly in the eye, she gets a connection, that real sudden human connection and boom, it all clicks into place. She can feel him there, feel his mind, and she plants a thought. The force flows, and it sticks. And she goes, holy shit, that was intense, and books it. In that moment that's what she needed to happen, so she focused and felt it, and it happened. Could she do it again right away...probably not. It's not like she immediately runs down the hall and starts mind controlling every soldier she sees.

I fully admit I probably have an entirely different perception of what the force is and how it acts than most people. But the way I've always viewed it is something primal, something living, something emotional. It's that sense of immediate connection when you look in someone's eye, it's deja vu, it's the tingle on the back of your neck when someone's starring at you from behind. It defies logic, it's not something you learn, it's something you feel. The training is only there to learn how to harness it and use it when you aren't under emotional duress.... and prevent it from over taking you.

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

I fully admit I probably have an entirely different perception of what the force is and how it acts than most people. But the way I've always viewed it is something primal, something living, something emotional. It's that sense of immediate connection when you look in someone's eye, it's deja vu, it's the tingle on the back of your neck when someone's starring at you from behind. It defies logic, it's not something you learn, it's something you feel. The training is only there to learn how to harness it and use it when you aren't under emotional duress.... and prevent it from over taking you.

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Marry me. Fuck..

Whoahkay. Thought that was going a totally different direction there for a sec.

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