Re: Back to the Future
Zarban laying down the truth
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Zarban laying down the truth
Thanks for articulating your points Bullet3, I think there is some merit to a few of the things you say, but I disagree with the point you make below:
The costumes and set design is really ridiculous to me, without being grounded enough in reality, to where it gets a bit grating after awhile. I think I just would've liked something more in the vein of Blade Runner/Alien for the future, or something like Fifth Element if you want to look to an example of wacky designs that still feel grounded. At the same time, I feel it's not nearly ambitious enough, because all of the focus remains in hill-valley, and you can tell they've just redressed all the sets from part 1.
Both Zemeckis & Gale have stated that they didn't want to spend a lot of time in the future because predicting the future is hard and your film will look stupid if it's full of lame predictions. The hook at the end of part I was just a joke that needed to be paid off. (You COULD totally remove 2015 from BTTF2 if you add an insert of young Biff finding a 1985 Sport's Illustrated in the trash on main street..maybe Doc was cleaning out the DeLorean before sending it back to 1985).
One thing to remember is that BTTF2 was shot in or around 1988, so I think it's fair to say concept art for costumes and sets could have been started as early as 1987. Zemeckis & Gale do talk about their vision of the future on the DVD commentary for BTTF2. They specifically dialed up references to Asian culture because in the late 80's it seemed as though the USA would be bought out by the Japanese. Also, look at fashion in the 80's, if you amped up the ridiculousness of that decade's fashion I can see how they went off the wall in BTTF2. I think it's a matter of perspective. In 1989 it probably didn't seem TOO far fetched, as scary as that may seem...
In regards to future cars, many of those cars were concept cars produced by American car companies & reused for the film - and I the police cruiser was inspired by the Bladerunner spinner.
Lastly, I don't think there was any way around redressing the sets since so much of the action takes place on a backlot set. The first move extensively redressed the set to go from 1955 to 1985. For me that's part of the charm of the trilogy. Hill Valley is supposed to be the odd little microcosm of America, I think it would have been hard (i.e. expensive) to duplicate that feeling if actual locations were used.
Unrelated: in the commentary DiF talks about how they mentally dealt with the disappearing siblings in the photo while viewing the film as children. I was truly disturbed by that concept as a kid. In 1985 Dave (the older brother) leaves to take the bus to work. Later in 1955 his head is gone...I was convinced for years that there was a headless Dave corpse on the bus in 1985. I had nightmares about it.
Personally, I really would've preferred if the whole movie took place in the future, and they were getting into crazy adventures there, maybe travelling into space, doing cool things.
I think the biggest problem with BTTF2 is its depiction of the future... where there are flying cars, hoverboards, and even Jaws 19... and the clothing, damn. It's the '80s version of the future. I'm sure back in 1989, audiences were blown away by this future, and some might even have thought that this is what the world would be like in the year 2015. But now days the futuristic sequences are just outrageous and cartoony... the film is severely dated because of them. The first BTTF doesn't have this problem. It shows a very real era... the '50s. You believe it. It works. The 2015 stuff in BTTF2 doesn't... it's complete fantasy.
I'm sure back in 1989, audiences were blown away by this future, and some might even have thought that this is what the world would be like in the year 2015.
As one of those audiences back in 1989, I'll say: no.
Seconded. I think it was a conscious choice on the filmmaker's part to go with a ridiculous Jetsons-style future, mostly because trying to accurately predict the real future is a fool's game.
I do wish the two-bladed tie had become a reality, though. That one actually seemed plausible to me.
You don't have any two-bladed ties? Well, I guess Indiana has finally pulled ahead of California in fashion. Just wait till you start seeing the three shells in restrooms.
I love everything that has anything to do with BTTF. Including the future.
Was happy to hear you guys, considering you guys seem to really like science (and detailed science) forgive some of the stuff in this movie. I think it was Brian that made the point, that if you have true characters and a good story, you just accept the magic bean and move on, great point.
And I never really thought about the whole "Biff was an attempted rapist of my now wife and now I'm employing him" thing. Maybe Biff should've been the bum on the bench, at the end (replacing the original, timey whimey explanation).
And I think it's fun to know how old people are when they see things. I was 10 when I saw BTTF (in theaters, born in '75), a great age to see it.
Please eventually do Part II & III (nice idea about Part II being the final chapter btw)
Edit: About what was thought in '89 about the future: I doubt many actually thought there would be flying cars in the "near" future. I also like the aesthetic of 2015 in BTTF2's future.
But I never bought that the Cubs would win the World Series by then. Absurd.
And sorry, but Delorean's really are shit cars (at least the engines). They really don't go fast.
I'd still want one though
Last edited by Mr. Pointy (2011-12-29 05:20:31)
The only thing about the second one that really bothers me is how the main story arc starts. Old biff steals the DeLorean and goes back to give himself the almanac, then returns to the future so Doc and Marty can go back to 1985. The movie gives an explanation about the time divergence, but the fact that old biff gets back to the old future contradicts that explanation. I also don't like that they cut out the bit where old Biff vanishes. As a kid I thought he had accidentally stabbed himself with his cane as he was trying to pull it out of the car. Turns out he was in the process of vanishing.
And why would he vanish? Does Biff die before 2015 in the new future? Maybe that's why they cut it out? But then... so are we supposed to think he stabbed himself with the cane?
Also, they should have called back to the whole "Those boards don't work on water!" thing. They made too big a deal out of it for it to not get called back later in the film or the third.
Dude, if you guys end up doing a 2015 documentary thinger for Back to the Future, you must (there are laws that say so!) do it driving around Cali in a DeLorean.
Also, if you knew where to look, you can find a DMC12 (DeLorean is the company, DMC12 is the model) with a 140mph speedo:
In addition to just loving cars, I did some research on the DMC12 in particular for when I was building this:
And to give you an idea of scale, you can see the Flux Capacitor near a quarter. Please note the attempt at a "shield eyes" red tape on the glass:
One of my favorite models I ever built. More pictures, I have them.
Last edited by Ben (2011-12-30 03:24:40)
I love Deloreans,.... I was even researching earlier today at prices for new and used Deloreans. I want to get one, but they're out of my price range. Maybe I should get that Model instead....
I almost crashed my car last month by stopping in the middle of the road, staring at a Delorean pulling out of Wal-mart's parking lot.
Holy Shit! You guys were doing the commentary while we were having that 3 hour chat.
Last edited by Mister Perfect (2012-01-02 09:35:44)
No, yeah, we were. :-P
I always enjoyed this movie as a kid, but it wasn't until I watched it as an adult that I truly understood how great it was. I now got alot of the jokes (particularly Doc's) such as the world's gravity and Reagan as president, that went over my head as a young 'un.
It's a classic, a great, powerful story under the trappings of an exciting and funny adventure.
There's always debate on the greatest script of all time. Many say Chinatown, other Butch and Sundance, and Casablanca stands out. I absolutely maintain that the script for BttF deserves mention as a contemporary with those scripts. An argument can be made for top 10, easy.
Many say Chinatown, other Butch and Sundance, and Casablanca stands out. I absolutely maintain that the script for BttF deserves mention...
Network is another that always gets a nod. To me, the magic of BTTF is more the casting than the screenplay per se. But the film itself is certainly one of the great films of all time. I rank it well above oft-cited Some Like It Hot, which feels formulaic to me even compared to The Lady Eve or 1, 2, 3. But comedies get so little respect anyway, it's a crime. BTTF isn't even on the AFI 100 list.
It's so stupid that it isn't.
Couple links for y'all.
Found that DMC-12 drag race (I assume Teague did all the graphics):
Chris Hardwick had Tom Wilson on his Nerdist podcast not too long ago (turns out he's a huge nerd, who knew?), in which he goes into some detail about BTTF. The blurb on the page is on the back of postcard like handouts he carries around for fans, and has answers to the most common questions he gets:
Many of which, of course, are also answered here:
Last edited by Matt Vayda (2012-01-24 20:03:44)
I did do all the graphics on that segment. I'd like to point out in defense of my soul that that segment was literally the very first of probably 50 we did on the show, which is why some of the graphics look nice and classy and others look kind of like hell. Nobody knew what they wanted yet, and some of the day one graphics are still in there with the week four graphics.
good job nonetheless Teague!
The "A" Car is being restored.
A message from Bob Gale, co-creator, co-writer and co-producer of the Back to the Future Trilogy Great news for BTTF Fans -- and a request for help! First..the great news (and no, it's not another BTTF movie): 27 February 2012. I'm proud to announce that a complete museum quality restoration of the Back to the Future "A" Car Delorean is about to begin! As so many fans already know, the various Deloreans used in the trilogy were designated by letter, based on how detailed they were. The "A" car was the very best of them, and was used in all three films. Unfortunately, after years of being displayed outdoors, the elements took their toll on this very special vehicle, so I successfully spearheaded a campaign to do something about it. The actual work will be done by three of the biggest BTTF Delorean fanatics I know: Joe Walser, J Ryan and Terry Matalas, all of whom have been involved in creating picture perfect BTTF Delorean replicas. (J's car can be seen in one of the special features in the recent BTTF Trilogy Blu-ray.) You can follow our progress via our Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/timemachinerestoration as well as on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/BTTFRestoration I am calling on all fans who either have original parts from any of the Deloreans from the BTTF Trilogy, or who know of anyone who has such items, to become part of this important project. Please email us at: TimeMachineRestoration@gmail.com with details. You may have something we need, or you may be able to help us track down something we need. If so, you'll be duly acknowledged as a contributor to the restoration. Thank you, and onward to the future! -- Bob Gale
Last edited by Snail (2012-02-28 02:54:45)