Topic: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review By Squiggly_P - Spoilers

Trust and deception.

The Dark Knight Rises is a bit of a mess and has some pretty large plot-holes, but as messy as it gets, it never strays too far from these two words.

The film opens with a scene where some mercenaries hand over a Russian scientist to some other dudes. I honestly can't remember who they were working for. As a bonus, these mercenaries also hand over some blindfolded guys they captured who are apparently working for Bane. On the plane, these apparent organized crime goons open the doors and then threaten that they will toss the blindfolded guys out of the plane, one by one, until one of them talks about Bane. When the first guy doesn't talk, they fire a gun out of the open door and then throw the blindfolded guy to the back of the plane and NOT out the door. Then they say "Well that guy didn't fly so well" and grab the next guy.

However, it turns out that Bane is actually one of the captured guys. They take control of the plane, grab the scientist, plant some evidence that everyone died in the crash - including one of Bane's men staying on the plane to die in the crash - and we exit the scene.

In the very first scene of the film, we've got three deceptions and one plot hole. The plot-hole lies in the fact that this was obviously some kind of set-up by Bane to get the Russian scientist, but if the mercenaries who handed Bane over to the goons were working for Bane, then they already had the scientist, so why the elaborate plane escape scene? Just to fake his death? Seems like overkill to me.

The rest of the movie plays out like that pretty much all the way through. There is a lot to like in this movie, but also a lot of things that can be picked apart. Several scenes can be removed entirely, and I have a feeling that no one noticed a couple of moments where some apparent re-shoots and creative editing were used to alter the sequence of events in this film. One of the characters is apparently in two places at once. Like I said, there are a few plot-holes in this movie, and a few things that I don't really understand as far as character motivations.

Anyway, the trust / deception thing is happening in literally every scene, but subtly most of the time, and it wasn't until I walked back to my car and started thinking about what the overall goal of the film was that it dawned on me that it was happening that often. There are a few scenes that are clearly about those things, but those themes run through every scene and every character arc. Not really much I can say about it. If you've seen the movie already, then you either noticed it and you're thinking "fucking DUH!" or you didn't notice it and now you're going through the movie trying to think of a scene that proves me wrong tongue

Were it not for the plot-holes, I would probably love this movie a lot. Beyond the opening scene, there are a few other moments that bothered me. This is the point where Spoilers are going to happen in full force, so if the warning in the thread title didn't catch your eye, here's another warning for you. Spoilers and stuff.

We spend the first half of the film watching as Bruce places more and more trust in Miranda while simultaneously trying to figure out Bane's methods and motives for trying to ruin him. Selina Kyle lifts Bruce's fingerprints for one of Bane's guys. Bane then uses those fingerprints to verify stock transactions that bankrupt him overnight. But it turns out that Miranda is, and always has been, behind Bane's actions. So why does she need to go through Selina Kyle to get to Bruce's fingerprints? The answer in the script is "Because he's been a recluse for 8 years", which to me is a very sloppy answer. This isn't necessarily a plot hole, just a very contrived plot point.

Bruce gives Selina Kyle the bat-bike thing and has her go blow up a barricade blocking a tunnel so people can escape from the city. Then Blake, a cop who is privy to this plan and who Batman uses to get the word out about the tunnel being opened, attempts to flee the city with a bus full of kids via the bridge that is being monitored and which has been rigged to blow. I have no explanation for this logic. Why not drive the bus through the tunnel? The tunnel never comes back up. No one goes through the tunnel. You're meant to assume that Selina escaped through it, but she obviously doesn't. That bugs me a lot, cause they devote about ten solid minutes of the film to this before they drop it entirely.

The 'court' scenes all feel very unnecessary and pointless. They don't really add anything to the movie, beyond a cameo by Cillian Murphy. You could most likely cut all of these scenes from the movie and replace them with a scene where Bane just orders them all to be killed, or to 'exile', which would likely make more sense in the film, seeing as how he himself was exiled from the League Of Shadows, which was the organization that Ra's Al Ghul ran in the first film. The "exile" scenes didn't really do much for the flick either, tho, so maybe the best option would have been to just cut all of that entirely and replace it all with a scene where Bane kills the one wormy dude and a scene where Bane orders the cops to be killed while taking Miranda / Talia 'prisoner' to some other location.

Getting a bit further into themes and comparing the film to The Dark Knight, I felt that The Dark Knight definitely has a clear sense of 'chaos' going on, and that the Joker is basically a personification of the idea. People have said that Bane also represents chaos, but I think he was supposed to represent control. Where the Joker wanted to turn Gotham into pure anarchy, Bane wants to control it with an iron fist. He frees an army of hardened criminals, turns the people against the police and Gordon, kills or imprisons anyone of power besides himself and then threatens the destruction of the city if anyone enters or leaves or challenges his rule in any way. They talk about his goons going around executing any cops they find. He hangs cops from the bridge as examples for others.

Unfortunately, I don't think that the film nails the 'control' thing as well as TDK nailed chaos. There's a lot of chaos going on in the city, and Bane seems to create quite a bit of it himself. Further, you never see him use force upon the people in the city, aside from Bruce's various cohorts. There's no scene of Bane's men putting down a riot in a brutal, dictatorial sort of way. He doesn't play into the 'leader' role, beyond running his little militia of guys. The scene where he recruits people from the prison is essentially an anarchic scene where he even uses the word "liberation" and says he's going to free people and allow them to choose and stuff. I don't really get that. I can only assume that they just had certain scenes and didn't care if those scenes didn't play into a particular theme. Maybe the goal wasn't "control", though I feel that if it weren't then they failed to see an obvious opportunity to give the film a direction.

I think this film would have been vastly improved if it had been allowed an R rating for violence. It's one of those films where you really need to see some people being lined up and executed to fully appreciate the totalitarian sort of state that Bane has apparently created. You get some expository dialogue about people being rounded up and shot, about how scared this cop is to go out, etc. You get scenes where people are stealing from rich people, but then just kinda shoving them into the street while their house gets ransacked for no particular reason other than to just ransack a rich dude's house. Not like all that crap's gonna help you survive on an island that is now cut off from the rest of the world.

The city is like this for months, apparently. How are these people getting food? Why are there not gangs roaming the streets and fighting over turf? Gotham should look like a war zone, but aside from a few parts of the city where it got blown up, it looks like a big, deserted city. Most of my issues with the movie are fridge logic stuff like that, tho.

The Dark Knight had so many great moments in it, and I think that's where this movie suffers the most. There aren't a lot of specific scenes you can point to and go "THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME!" the way you could with the pencil scene or the 'hit me' scene or the two-face car scene. It's still a decent film, tho, and it feels like it fits into the trilogy fairly well. It definitely improves toward the end of the film, raising the stakes and such, though even then there are still bits in there that feel kinda silly and unnecessary. I dunno.

The only other negative thing I can think of is the way the film climaxes. The third act isn't playing the characters against each other, but is about Batman trying to keep a bomb from going off. Bane is dispatched in a very anticlimactic sort of way, and Talia isn't really the villain after that. She's just some crazy bitch that wants to blow shit up. After Bane dies, the film loses it's menace.

I'd say that it's a pretty decent flick and a fun watch that doesn't really live up to it's older siblings, but which still has a lot going on beneath the surface that gives it that extra bit of depth that most other big blockbuster flicks lack. The performances are pretty good overall, the story isn't bad and the visuals are great. There's just none of those moments where the movie really grabs you by the balls, which is kinda odd considering how Nolan tends to be really good at getting scenes that do that into his films, and the film deflates a bit in the middle and toward the end. I'd say that some of the best bits of the film belong to Blake and Gordon.

But even at it's worst, it's still a god damn Chris Nolan batman movie, and they're all good in their own way.

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I really enjoyed the movie.
I had heard/read before July 20th, some people mentioning: "Oh, I don't know if it can live up to my expectations!"
Or .... "live up to The Dark Knight."

And I personally think that if you go in thinking this off the bat(No pun intended), most likely, you're going to be disappointed. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that anyone here is at fault for how they see the film !
I just tempered myself for this film a little better. I went back and pulled out my Batman anthology blu ray set.
I popped-in Batman Forever and started watching(I think this was Wednesday night, July 18th) ...
I made it through about 25 minutes, before I had to stop the movie. I think this helped. Because, no matter what flaws TDKR may have, it's certainly a better movie than anything Schumacher did. And, (hate me now) anything Burton did.

I've seen TDKR twice now. Once in a normal theater, and once in a true IMAX. I have to say, it was much better the second time.

Sorry Squiggly_P .... I didn't catch the scenes that irked you.
Care to elaborate ?!

Those who would trade liberties for securities, deserve neither liberties, nor securities.
-Benjamin Franklin

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Well, there aren't really big things, just little things that happen, but never really come back.

The scene where two thugs capture Gordon and take him to Bane. Gordon jumps into the water and is carried off. Bane then plants something on one of his thugs, like a tracking device (it looks kinda like a cell phone...) and shoots him. Blake finds Gordon at the outlet of the sewer and... that's it. That guy he shot and sent off after him, presumably to find out where he'd been carried by the water, never came back. There's never that scene where they find that guy at the outlet and realize that Gordon isn't dead.

The tunnel thing bothered me, like I said.

There are a number of scene dealing with rich people being made poor, but the movie doesn't really make any sort of comment on it. It's just people ransacking rich people's stuff for no reason beyond just doing it. For the lulz. You don't see people complaining about rich people or class issues the way you see IRL. There's no one protesting Wall St. There's not a lot of 'average citizen' stuff going on at all. There's that big monologue with Selina talking to Bruce about the storm coming, and how rich people are gonna get fucked by it, and then you've got a moment where she's all "I dunno if this is really what I wanted" after Bane takes over, but that's it, really. Again, kinda unlike the first two flicks where Gotham felt a lot more lived-in and that the things going on were affecting a lot of people. This one felt more like Bane vs cops.

They do show off that Bane has attracted a lot of people to his side, but that's really pretty unrealistic of the film. You've got huge crowds of people who support Bane and cops who oppose him, and not much else in between. The orphans caught in the middle, I guess. But the Orphanage is really the only clue that there are regular people living in Gotham. The streets are empty most of the time after Bane takes over. It just felt weird. Not a cool, unsettling weird, but a wrong, something's missing sort of weird. There's no sense of place, where you can go "This is what it's like to live in Gotham now".

The first 'exile' scene came off to me as kinda funny, honestly. Guy on ice, guy falls through ice, comical "oh well!" reaction shot from goon. The second one was slightly better, but not nearly as effective as it would have been had the first one had a more serious tone and been done better. I feel like ALL of the court / exile stuff was done in reshoots.

The first one could have been a lot more intense. Show a goal for the guy - he wants to get to the next support pillar thing for the bridge where the ice would be thicker, right? So he's inching his way there along with a few other people. One of the guys on the right falls through, and the wormy guy sees the poor bastard under him, smashing on the ice as the current carries him away. He moves on a little ways, the ice beneath him breaks, he falls through but catches himself, so he's there just hanging on for dear life while the current tries to suck him under. One of the other exiled guys makes it over to him and starts pulling him up in an amazing gesture of kindness. He's almost out and the wormy guy is just thanking this guy over and over. THEN the ice breaks and both of them get sucked under.

NOW when Gordon and his guys have to take the walk there's a seriously huge sense of tension because you saw three people die pretty horribly and the whole 'exile' thing feels a lot more deadly and difficult. Having batman just casually walk up to them on the ice and have a fight scene right there also kinda dissolved the tension of the ice possibly breaking. It's a little thing, but when you've got a pretty good movie on your hands, it's the little things like that that will turn that pretty good movie into an amazing movie.

Also, Miranda is judged with Gordon and Bane's all "bring her to me" and then Bruce and Selina go talk to Morgan Freeman and Miranda's there with Freeman, but then you see her with Bane a couple scenes later.

Aside from that, there are a few points where the movie get a bit too direct with the dialogue and such. The climbing scene with the rope, for instance. The guy's like "you have to get over your fear" and then he climbs the wall and falls and then the guy's like "you have to get over your fear" and he climbs and falls again and the guy's like "take the fucking rope off, moron!" so he does and makes it out.

There are just little things all over the movie, really. Just little things. I do think it's a pretty damn good movie, tho. I'm not really disappointed. I guess I came off as kinda negative, but I go into any large-budget movie with the mindset that it's not going to be much more than a big fun movie to watch, and TDKR is definitely a big fun movie. All you have to do is not insult my intelligence and more or less make sense. The plot holes in this aren't the huge, film-ruining ones that you see in something like Transformers 2 where people are making the worst possible choices because the movie doesn't happen otherwise. They just add a bit of noise to it.

There are some genuinely clever and well-done parts, like the part where Selina sells the prints. Even at that part, tho, I was thinking "there's no way the cops got there that fast". It's just a little thing that bothers me.

I do think it's better than most other superhero movies, and I share your opinion of the Nolan trilogy being the best of the batman movies. Burton's are pretty good, but they are very stylized and haven't aged very well. The '89 Batman flick does have a special place in my heart for being the first movie I ever went to on my own, but I think Nolan's films are all better movies.

Also, the ending was clearly an homage to this:
http://files.sharenator.com/140px_Batman_Bomb-s140x112-94944.gif

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Well, I certainly can't argue with 99% of what you mention after the Gordon/Tunnel current/Bane henchman thing....
Howeve, check this out: after they mercs. bring Gordon into the sewers, Bane says: "Why are you here?" and the mercs. mention bringing Gordon there, clearly Bane is pissed, and says: "No dumbass ! WHY did you bring him here?!" Bane scolds the guy, then he choke him out, and scolds his friend. After he does this, he looks to the friend and says: "Search him, then, I'll kill you." After they search Gordon, Gordon escapes, and everyone shoots. Bane then says: "Go find the body." Handing him the GPS/tracking device, and then shoots the merc. Where does he shoot him?! We don't know. Presumably in the leg/foot/etc... It's possible(I'm making excuses now) that the merc was shot in the stomach, which could have killed him.  So, after the guy falls in, and follows the current.... Bane knows where the tunnel leads. But, you are correct, from that point, nothing happens with the tunnel opening.

Another instance that I noticed of :"How did that character get here so fast?!" was when.... Gordon and his men are led out onto the ice, Batman saves him. But, happening at the same time, Blake is about to be executed by the mercs. No sooner than Batman has Gordon "light the signal" on the bridge, Batman arrives in time to save Blake's life.
I notice that.
In regards to everything else you mentioned, I think I agree. Though, I can't argue against them.
But, I think i'll take this movie, warts and all, over 99% of the other crap in theaters.
I mean, have you seen John Carter ?!?!

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Gordon on the ice was right near where Blake was, no? Could be wrong.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

Gordon on the ice was right near where Blake was, no? Could be wrong.

quite possibly. I know, just before Blake was captured, he was trying to help the cops out of the sewers, which... wasn't far from Gordon(and the rest on ice) ...

I'm willing to believe that they were. I already mentioned that I'm sold on the movie.

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Nolan's pacing is distinctive and unique. His movies feel like extended trailers. It's been said of TDK and certainly TDKR that there's actually 2 or even 3 movies in each instalment. But only 75% of each movie is present. Gotham being taken over by a warlord in a French Revolution survivalist situation is a great movie idea - but it was only partly dealt with here. Bruce & Bane's story was okay too but only partly dealt with.

Basically, Nolan takes 2 or 3 movies' worth of narrative, and joins them together and cuts them down to the bare minimum so you're only just hanging on to what's going on. Each scene is stripped down to the essential action/dialogue. There's no relaxing breathing space, moody montage, etc.

The frenetic pacing (as distinct from fast cutting) makes plot holes less relevant. As RLM suggested, Nolan's movies are 'impressonistic' - the feeling is right, even though specific plot points are implausible or even outright impossible.

It may be that Nolan has evolved the grammar of cinema to a new level (expanding the art of the trailer to 2.5 hours). No longer do important plot points need to be repeated for the dummies. Narratives that would have taken an entire movie in the 1970s and 1980s can be be compressed into just a few scenes and you leave the audience to fill in the gaps.

I was amazed how short the credits roll was. After Tron Legacy, LOTR, Avengers, etc, I'm used to 15 minutes of CG artist names divided up into dozens of FX studios. A lot of TDKR was real.

So Nolan is simultaneously the last of an old breed of director for tentpole blockbusters (shoots on film, keeps effects real) but also pushing the envelope by accelerating narrative rhythm to a new level.

His movies hurtle along, but at the expense of being somewhat cold. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing: Kubrick and Fincher movies are cold too. You admire their technique, ambition and chutzpah. They are director's directors. But no one breaks out the hankies in those movies.

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I feel that this is the place to mention a disagreement I have with a popular criticism of the film. A lot of people have been saying that it's a tough pill to swallow that the public doesn't notice that Bruce Wayne and Batman die at the exact same time. But the mob was killing rich people left and right. Gordon and the rest just had to tell people that Bruce died on the ice or got shot by Scarecrow something, and they'd have no reason not to believe it. I can't believe this gets brought up so much, when to me it seems rather obvious what the answer is. It strikes me as desperate, as so many of these "12 PLOT HOLES WE FOUND IN TDKR!!!" articles come across as.

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Yeah, for some reason I don't feel the need to get caught up in either pointing out, or apologizing for plot holes. Every movie has them - and TDKR didn't 'feel' like its plot holes were more obvious or distracting than any other recent movie. It's a superhero movie - there's a chick in stilettos that punches thugs up. There's a self-contained fusion reactor the size of a bar-fridge. Whatever. Anything goes. I'm cool with all that.

I got much more offended with the writing in Prometheus (scientists don't act/talk like that), than with plot holes.

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I think the fact that they both come back from retirement at the same time would be a bigger clue. I wasn't bothered by either one, tho.

Personally, I don't get all the negative reactions to this flick. I mean, my rant kinda sounds negative, I guess, but I did like the movie. I might go see it again this weekend, but I've been planning on hitting the local cheap-ass theater to catch Battleship, Hunger Games and a couple other flicks for a buck each. I would like to see TDKR in IMAX, tho.

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What about the Ending? Did Bruce Wayne's resurrection cheapen the sacrifice? It doesn't seem to cheapen Jesus' sacrifice in the eyes of the devout.

Nolan should have done an ambiguous Inception ending... scrap the references to the autopilot and have Alfred at the Florence cafe, looking over and seeing the back of WHAT LOOKS LIKE Bruce Wayne but he isn't sure... and... roll credits.

Although people have argued it's ambiguous anyway.... it could have been Alfred's dream/wish. Or DiCaprio implanted the vision in Alfred's memory. The rest of the Inception team is there, right?

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Yeah, it cheapened it for me.

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I've thought about it, and while the current ending might be a bit more cheap, the alternative that avatar suggests is the kind of thing that would just piss people off I feel like. I don't think the final chapter in the batman saga is the right place for an inception-y ambiguous ending, and I also think that deep down everyone wants to see a happy ending for Bruce after spending 8 hours with the character.

During the whole sacrifice bit I kept thinking "Man, I'm not as invested and happy with this as an ending as I thought I would be". I think if you're actually going to kill Batman, that having him die by a nuclear bomb mc-guffin is really weak and impersonal of a death, and so I actually really dug the reveal at the cafe in the end.

I also think that without it, Alfred comes off like a real jerk for abandoning Batman in his time of need, in-directly leading to his death.

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I've thought about it, and while the current ending might be a bit more cheap, the alternative that avatar suggests is the kind of thing that would just piss people off I feel like.

It would have got everyone talking about it. Does Leo's spinning top fall? Is Deckard a Replicant? Will Fox nail Scully? Here's 10 reasons why the answer is 'yes', here's 10 why the answer is 'no'.

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I want a Phantom Edit of Dark Knight Rises with that ONE SHOT of Bruce and Selina removed. Just Alfred slowly starting to smile, his lips quivering. Tells us everything we need to know without spelling it out for us. That was my biggest problem with the movie, honestly.

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I'd be fine with it either way (though I gotta say I do like knowing that he ends up with Catwoman, which we wouldn't get without the cutaway), but I stand by the fact that I don't think the above belongs in the final batman movie (of this trilogy). You wouldn't end something like Lord of the Rings ambiguously with "Does Frodo make it?", or Harry Potter, and I feel like Batman is in the same vein as a long-running novelistic story that should have a definite explicit conclusion. I think if Nolan did the above, people would accuse him of copying his other movies.

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Just Alfred slowly starting to smile, his lips quivering. Tells us everything we need to know without spelling it out for us.

I was so sure the credits will roll after that scene. That's how it should've ended.

bullet3 wrote:

I think if Nolan did the above, people would accuse him of copying his other movies.

So what? It's the right thing to do.

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>You wouldn't end something like Lord of the Rings ambiguously with "Does Frodo make it?"

Frodo is kinda dead at the end? Or is he? He's got a one-way ticket outta Middle Earth.

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You know what I mean  though, we get a definite conclusion with the character. I mean christ, in Harry Potter we get a 5 minute detailed epilogue, at least Dark Knight doesn't do that.

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I haven't seen the film, with no real plans to, but am amused the ending does seem to borrow at least a bit from the end of The Dark Knight Returns (is Batman dead?!? Well...)

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I just got home from seeing this for the 3rd time.
It seems as though WB has trimmed the film. I am not kidding. Not being sarcastic.
There are slight bits of dialogue and video cut from the film.
A few that I noticed:
a) When Selina is breaking into the safe, to steal the "clean slate" program from Dagget, and she notices Batman on the News(playing on the TV next to her. They trim that scene.
b) When Bruce is in the prison and the "doctor" and the Bruce's "care-taker" are trying to help rehabilitate him, this plays out much faster than it did before.
c) When Selina is arrested, and sent to Blackgate Prison, one of the inmates taunts her, and she twists his arms. They trim dialogue and video.

There may be more, that I didn't catch.... and I could have sworn at first that the film seemed to move faster because I already knew what was happening(this is the 3rd time I've seen it).
But, by the time Bruce was in the prison, there was no mistaking that WB trimmed the film slightly.

Also, the movie time was 7:40pm. They played about 4 trailers (Jack Reacher, Man of Steel, Bourne Legacy, ... forget the other one).... and I walked out of the theater around 10:30pm.

Has anyone else noticed this ?!?!

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WTF? That's absolutely bizarre if true. Has anyone else online pointed this out? I mean it is a long ass movie, maybe you just missed those moments, or mis-remembered.

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bullet3 wrote:

WTF? That's absolutely bizarre if true. Has anyone else online pointed this out? I mean it is a long ass movie, maybe you just missed those moments, or mis-remembered.


Maybe I zoned out, but, ..... I don't think so. I was in my seat the whole time. I didn't even need to run to the restroom.
Movie felt much faster than the 2 previous times I had seen it.

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