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Apparently this is the Starship Troopers movie I always wanted. Good stuff, bullet smile

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Looks like Edge of Tomorrow is going to top-out at about $300M, which is slightly more than Oblivion & Elysium (which both made $286M), but it costs 50% more, so it's less profitable. As much as we hate it, the studios are justified in putting their money into franchise fodder. It's a miracle we get any original sci-fi stories with >$100M budgets.

And just like that...

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Hmm. I haven't heard any negative reviews of it though. I know a few people who refuse to watch it on the basis of Tom Cruise, but I find it hard to believe that's the whole story.

I do often wonder what it is that gets people to go see movies. It's probably not reviews, 'cause people have to seek those out rather than passively consuming them, right? Doesn't seem like that accounts for enough numbers.
Trailers? 'Cause the trailer for EoT was excessively po-faced and missed out on the energy and charm of the movie.
Word of mouth?

I have no answers. I'm just confused by the disparity between quality and consumption.

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Boredom? I mean, sci-fi movies are popular but certainly don't always make the draw as big action films. Which is why sci-fi has branched more and more in to big action films (see SFDebris opening comments on Transformers Revenge of the Whatever).

Beyond that, I don't watch movies any more so I really don't have the answers.

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Herc wrote:

Hmm. I haven't heard any negative reviews of it though.

I know of one, over on the War is Boring blog. It's an example of reviewing a movie based on what you want to see, as opposed to just accepting what's there and judging it on its own.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/edge-o … f535815b00

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Oh boy. I don't have a problem with someone having a differing view, but that person either
1) is an idiot.
2) is bringing in some outside vendetta against this film.
3) does not know how to have fun.

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His blog is about current wars. Fun... is not what he's dealing with.

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The site is called War is Boring. He reviewed a movie about war and says it was boring. Does what it says on the tin, really.

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Invid wrote:

His blog is about current wars. Fun... is not what he's dealing with.

War! What is it good for?

It had to be said wink

Also:

Apparently this is the Starship Troopers movie I always wanted. Good stuff, bullet smile

I can't make this stuff up: http://io9.com/tom-cruises-edge-of-tomo … -851945326

Spoilers, as a warning.

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But it is Starship Troopers - the BOOK - meets Groundhog day/Source Code


And it is also THIS:http://escapepod.org/2012/04/05/ep339-run-bakri-says/. Please listen to that awesome little short story, which takes the same basic premise to a whole new level....


/Z

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I was also wondering why this movie more or less bombed. I think there are a lot of factors involved that deal with marketing. I do a lot of impromptu polling at my job because I work with the people who make or break a movie. If you want to hit $800 Million in theaters, you better get these people to come see your movie. I predicted that this movie would most likely bomb. That said, I had also assumed that it was going to be dumb, so when I saw the reviews and went to see it I was both shocked at how much I liked it and annoyed that it would fail to make any money. The thing that I can't understand is WHY they couldn't keep this flick in their brains. I have some ideas, tho:

1) The title is generic and bad. "Edge Of Tomorrow". What does that even mean? It's just random words mashed together and isn't memorable at all. The original title, "All You Need Is Kill", makes about as much sense as Edge Of Tomorrow, but is a more memorable title. Plus, it's the name of the book / comic. Changing the title only served to make it more difficult to reach people familiar with the original and the generic title they went with made it harder for people to even remember the name of the movie.

The only evidence I have for this claim is that when I asked people if they were interested in the film, they had to stand there and access their storage banks for a while before saying "What movie is that?". I'd say "It's that new Tom Cruise movie" and they'd go "OOOOOH that one". They'd then say "Meh." Which brings me to number 2.

2) Meh. The trailer is boring. The film itself has a lot of humor and neat battle sequences and it's entirely playing on the premise of the film. The trailer doesn't really sell the premise well. It doesn't let you know how important the time-loop thing is or how it really gets used in the flick. The movie is just random shots of action and dramatic shots of people looking serious. It's all drab and grey in the serious parts and nonstop explosions and motion-blur in the action parts. The only humor is the 'joke' that Tom Cruise dies several times.

I personally thought the trailer was complete crap, and wasn't looking forward to the film at all until it came out. It looked like it would be an endless parade of shitty over-the-top battle sequences with the odd joke thrown in. They don't reveal the villains or what they want or what the stakes are, except the most generic of alien invasion plots. The marketing for Edge Of Tomorrow made it look like Battleship 2 with power armor. Minus the color.

The film is desaturated. It works and makes sense, but the way they desaturated it makes it feel stark and cold. The film itself makes up for this by adding a lot of humor, but the trailer makes up for this by having lots of explosions that are orange.

The trailer is bad. They really needed to dump a little more of the humor in there. The lack of humor is the thing that kills it. It looks like a generic action movie where guys in neat suits shoot at vaguely tentacled monsters while explosions happen all around them and then they all explode and everything explodes.

The posters are complete shit as well, but posters don't matter anymore anyway.

You know what's gonna make a shitload of money? Transformers 4.

Not many of them are even aware that they've made a new TMNT movie. That will probably change with the new trailer.

Dawn of the Planet Of The Apes is about 50/50 with them. Some of them are interested, some of them aren't aware of it.

They all know about Transformers and Expendables, tho.

It doesn't even seem to matter if they're interested, tho. The correlation seems to be that if they're aware of it, it does well and if they're not aware of it it bombs. It gives me hope for Guardians of the Galaxy, cause many of them are aware of it solely for the fact that it has a talking raccoon.

Anyway, that's my cynical take on film marketing tongue

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I cannot believe it has taken this long for this to happen.

I just had a mental flash of Tom Cruise deaths montage, but with this playing:

And now I can't stop giggling.

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I just saw it and I thought it was really solid but not the new gold standard for blockbusters or anything like that. It's well-written, which is an absolute shock after reading that abomination of a draft last autumn, so kudos to whoever clean that shit up. I really enjoyed the editing with the resets and the clever way of showing scenes to us for the first time while Cage has experienced them about 50 times already. However, I thought the characters were very boring. I can't really tell you anything about Cage and Rita as people and even on a surface level, there's not much to them, although Cruise and Blunt gave fine performances.

My biggest gripe are the action scenes. They're all very cookie cutter and indistinguishable from any other PG-13 sci-fi action film over the past decade. There's not a single noteworthy moment that inspired any semblance of awe in me. It's a damn shame because I thought the designs of the creatures and the weaponry had a lot of potential for innovative and unique scenes. Some of the scenes described in the script sounded tremendous but were incredibly mundane on screen.

There's an episode of South Park where Cartman sees something so funny that it ruins his sense of humor forever. He can't laugh at anything anymore even when he knows it's supposed to be funny. I think the same thing happened with me this year when I saw The Raid 2. It has ruined my appreciation and excitement over action scenes. I know I'm supposed to have my adrenaline flowing when I see stuff like Edge of Tomorrow but it's just not there anymore. Gareth Evans has destroyed an entire genre for me.

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Not related to the movie, really, but I thought I'd post it anyway. Up above, in response to Herc saying he'd never seen a negative review of Edge of Tomorrow, I posted a link to one on the War is Boring blog. The reviewer's main beaf was the setup of the story could of dealt with the effect of war on soldiers, and upon approaching the subject the movie then ran away from it. That annoyed him, and him being annoyed annoyed those here smile

Today, he posted a review of the new Clint Eastwood movie, American Sniper.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/americ … 3b0ce094e1
The film, for him, dealt with the subject well. I just thought some might like to compare and contrast.

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Saw it over the holidays and enjoyed it quite a bit, though I was definitely expecting the very end to involve Emily Blunt getting Alpha-blooded again because there is no way they survived that sequence at the Louvre as first-time mortals.

But whatever.

The fact that my brother-in-law thought he'd already seen the recent movie where Tom Cruise saves the world from aliens  (he'd seen the other one) might also be indicative of why it didn't do well.

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Phi wrote:

Saw it over the holidays and enjoyed it quite a bit, though I was definitely expecting the very end to involve Emily Blunt getting Alpha-blooded again because there is no way they survived that sequence at the Louvre as first-time mortals.

I'm confused, none of them survived Paris and both Cruise and Blunt are killed by the alpha. Tom Cruise's corpse ends up being 'blooded' by the hive mind thingey and so resets to his arrival in London (which is perhaps the magic bean too far).

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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I get what did happen, I just thought it was nuke-the-fridge level unbelievable. Everything up until the last reset was fine since the Tom Cruise character would have as many tries as needed and the Emily Blunt character apparently could learn fast (plus she had lots of past experience). But for the last run into the Omega they got one shot, and we're to believe that they both survive being dragged through walls and falling down multiple floors of parking garage before getting to the Omega.

If the Emily Bunt character distracts the Alpha at the end and then manages to get the Alpha-blood magic bean again, then she'd be reliving the day again instead of Tom Cruise. Obviously that didn't happen and it would be thematically awkward, but I really thought that's where it was going.

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Interestingly, the book is actually far more grim and also has a much more typically anime ending.

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In the book, Cage gets stuck in the time loop because he "interrupted a carrier signal" from an alpha.  There no "lose the blood" subplot.  Rita is not a mentor in the book, but rather the "as you know" character who essentially explains the inter workings of the mimic's 5th dimensional existence.  Eventually the mimics figure out whats going on and decide to converge in on Cage's position so they can remove him from the time loop.  However, Rita and Cage realize that in order to stop the looping, one of them must permanently die.  So they engage in mortal combat until Cage kills her.  The end.  No explanation of the central mimic brain thing, no yay we defeated the mimics.  Its just this grim open ended ending.
       

IMO the movie improved vastly on most elements of the book.  A very rare occurrence indeed.

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