Re: Thread for being deeply, non-fatalistically worn out about something
1) I do think this argument could be effectively made in less time than I took to make it — especially with editing.
2) So, sorry.
3) Hey, I told you the previous ramblings were two hours long!
4) I'm pretty sure "ugh, I really need to plan / edit this better" was the reason it kept never-getting-done before.
It's all good! I just enjoyed hearing you talk about stuff again. FWIW, I also tend to procrastinate a lot for a similar reason ("I could do this better").
8) If y'all have thoughts that'll help me develop this bullshit further, definitely share them. Stuff that seems totally superfluous to the argument (in which case I failed to clarify why I think it's relevant, which... almost certainly happened repeatedly, because improvised argument), or stuff that seems especially convincing, etc.. I'm quite happy, but not totally surprised, that folks seem to agree with the general givens I'm talkin' about; what I was mostly curious about was how far from the pack I've strayed in terms of the specifics.
Amidst a lot of great ideas, I think the biggest thing to improve the flow of the argument is to organize some of the points in a more natural manner. I think most of the stuff you said works. But I bet if you went back and rewatched the video, you could probably start to realize what points you could re-shuffle to different locations, or which points seemed a little unrelated to what you were previously saying. I think it could help to try and boil your point down to a single thesis and then make sure everything you're saying is helping to develop that thesis.
One point that I sort of got, but seemed a bit disconnected was the idea that a group of people getting together and doing the same thing leads to that feeling of satisfaction. I think you were trying to give an example of another phenomenon that could lead to the dopaminergic high you had alluded to earlier. Even though I understood it, it felt a little unrelated to the idea of intentional art optimization because it's more of a phenomenon that we observe.
One point I really liked was the analogy between candy vs. a full meal (I forget which specific food you mentioned). But I instantly understood that as the difference between immediate (but cheap) satisfaction vs. somewhat delayed (but higher quality) satisfaction. I also really liked the dopamine analogy and how more is required to achieve the same "high". Both of these really paint a clear picture as to what companies are trying to achieve with their optimization techniques.