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Fair enough, but I'm sure if I drink enough beer, I won't mind the taste anymore.

Just because the brain can adapt to something like that, does not necessarily mean it should or has to. I mean what's next? Films shot and projected at 48 frames per second? smile

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I can hear the pitch meeting with crystal clarity:

"It's Romeo & Juliet, but take their being from two different worlds literally, meaning that separate world is upside down, over our world!"

My guess would be the test audience had the same reaction to the entire movie that I had to the trailer:

"This is literally hard to watch! It hurts my eyes! You want me to look at moving pictures that are upside down for how long? To hell with that!"

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Thanks to Xtroid for linking to the relevant video in the thread for Looper, I've now discovered these Red-Letter-Media-style movie reviews, called "Your Movie Sucks". I've watched only a couple, so far. I just saw one declaring Toy Story 3 (and Pixar in general) to be supremely overrated and actually not good. The video makes the claim that Toy Story 3 is in fact a carbon copy of Toy Story 2 and proceeds with a point-by-point comparison.

"Huh. Interesting", I thought. "I never noticed that". I had fully intended to post this in the episode thread for Toy Story, but couldn't find it. I wondered if it was one of the unfortunate, technological misfires of the past, resulting in an episode that was recorded but never posted. I asked Teague about it on Twitter. Imagine my surprise when he told me Down In Front never recorded a commentary for Toy Story, as my memory of the live recording and the chat room had been extremely vivid until that moment.

So, I post the link here with the question, "Does Toy Story 3 actually suck?" Do the parallels between the second and third film render Toy Story 3 an "overrated cash grab, playing on nostalgia to fool people into thinking it's great"?

My personal feeling on this is simply this: "Oh, look at that. Toy Story 3 is very similar to Toy Story 2. Neat, but so what? I still think it's more emotionally satisfying. Maybe it's just a better version of the same story, but I kind of feel like that justifies its own existence. Also, though I hadn't noticed all of those plot and character inconsistencies and continuity errors before, they don't change how effective the movie was for me."

What say you guys?

http://notproductive.com/video/254/toy-story-3-sucks

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Kevin Smith just released an episode of Smodcast, in which he talks to Rian Johnson about his films, including Looper:

http://smodcast.com/episodes/skip-to-my-looper/

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Well, I just lost my primary weapon, because you just blew my mind!

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Dorkman wrote:

http://i.imgur.com/ZVyId18.jpg

Judge Whiskers, assigned to serve and protect the inhabitants of Mega Kitty One.

"I am the paw".

...I could do this all day. smile

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I argue that Die Hard 2 is a perfectly fine film and is only "bad" whenever it makes reference to itself as a sequel. If you were to make a fan edit and remove the few (but glaring and obnoxious) moments of self awareness, the film would play much better. The only one I would keep? The last one at the end, when Holly asks John, "Why does this keep happening to us?" mostly because it was expertly delivered and makes me laugh every time.

Back to Dredd: I find it silly that anyone who has seen The Raid can't enjoy (or won't watch) Dredd, as if seeing one completely invalidates the other or renders it unnecessary. One should have no effect on the other. Sure, the plots are basically the same (the law must bring justice to a lawless high rise, but are trapped inside and forced to battle the inhabitants as demanded by a crime boss who resides on the top floor), but so what? If I see Armageddon first, does that mean Deep Impact has nothing to offer me and I shouldn't even bother? Of course not. They are very different movies, premise notwithstanding.

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I really enjoyed this episode (I was present for the live record). I had seen the film for the first time mere hours before, and I loved it. Apparently, the original creator of Judge Dredd was a consultant on the film and I think it shows. Furthermore, in addition to being naturally funny, Down In Front was in top form in explaining why the movie works and suggesting alternatives or how to fix the few things that didn't work. Great episode! One of my favorites!

I can only shrug and repeat that it worked for me.

It's interesting that you mention how the villain doesn't end up facing off against the hero. You know what other movie is also guilty of that? The Fifth Element, also written by Luc Besson. smile

If I watch the movie again and go through it beat by beat and it turns out you're right about the wasted potential and not delivering on everything that's setup, then I'll retract my implication that it's a "perfect" movie.

Until then, does anyone else agree with me that Premium Rush is at least a perfect movie?

Well shit, man. Tell me what it means, then! How else am I going to learn? smile

....Wait, my tiny review you're quoting from me here has nothing to do with why I think it's a perfect movie, just FYI. If we're operating under the definition of setting up what is paid off and vice versa, then I feel Lockout qualifies. Granted, I've only seen the movie once but I'm pretty sure every gun presented on the mantle was eventually fired.

Oh, don't worry. I know just as well as you do that Lockout isn't a "good" movie, but that's not what we're talking about here. I think it's a "perfect" movie. For me, Guy Pearce's performance and much of what his character said and did were what carried me through. It's essentially Luc Besson doing John Carpenter's lost "Escape" sequel, "Escape From Earth" but in this instance, Snake Plissken is a lot more delightful to be around. Not so surly. At the end of the day, I was surprised at just how much damn fun I had watching the movie and I really appreciate how sincere and honest it is about what kind of movie it aspired to be.

As for Premium Rush, I'm doing a commentary for that soon, so I'll just answer your questions there. smile

Squiggly_P wrote:

See, I get the "sets up everything it pays off" part, but the "Pays off everything it sets up" part bothers me. What defines a set-up if there's no payoff? Sometimes it's obvious, like giving a character some trait that could be used later, but isn't. The main character from Drive always has a toothpick in his mouth in the first half of the film, but it just goes away later and they never do anything with it. There's one bit where he offers a toothpick to the kid, but that doesn't feel like a payoff, that just feels like more setup. Does that count? Is it a setup if you focus attention on it more than once?

This particular example from Drive isn't so much a "setup/payoff" bit as it is a "save the cat" bit. He gives the kid a toothpick and the kid takes it. Now they have something in common and we understand they like each other. This moment tells us "Driver" is good with kids, or at least good with this kid.

However, if you really need it to be a setup/payoff moment, then here you go: "Driver" gives the kid a toothpick (something potentially dangerous for a kid to have) and it's now established that they are comfortable enough with each other to exchange things. Later, the kid gives "Driver" a bullet (also something potentially dangerous for a kid to have). In particular, "Driver" asks, "Do you want me to hang on to this for you?" and the kid agrees. There's trust between them. Setup, then payoff.

You know, I wish this had occurred to me during my Drive commentary with Dorkman and Ewing. You did just remind me how damn good that movie was, so thank you. smile

As for the question raised in this thread, I think asking for movies you specifically saw in a theater is a bit limiting. I'd just widen it to include the last perfect movie you saw, period. In the cinema, that would be The Avengers and before that, The Cabin In The Woods. If we're talking about at home, then my answer would be Lockout (it fit the criteria/definition, shut up) and before that, Premium Rush.

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Mr. Pointy wrote:

I love Jaynestown!

Just had to say.

Carlos Jacott was also on Buffy and Angel (one of 6 actors to be in at least 3 Whedon series)

Those are widely known as a Whedon Hat Trick. Also on that list: Felicia Day (Buffy, Dr. Horrible, Dollhouse), Amy Acker (Angel, Dollhouse, Cabin In The Woods), Alexis Denisof (Buffy/Angel, Dollhouse, The Avengers), Summer Glau (Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse), Nathan Fillion (Buffy, Firefly, Dr. Horrible), Andy Umberger (Buffy, Angel, Firefly) and Jonathan M. Woodward (Buffy, Angel, Firefly). When Much Ado About Nothing comes out, the list will have gotten bigger.

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That was a big bucket of awesome. smile However, I've never understood the desire to pit cats against dogs, as one being superior to the other. It's apples and oranges. Yes, they're both fruit (or in this case, pets), but each have their pros and cons. While I may prefer cats, I also love dogs. Why embrace one and dismiss the other? They're both awesome in their own ways.

I break it down like this: If you want a baby (without actually having a baby), get a dog. If you want a roommate/friend, get a cat.

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Trey wrote:

You'll shoot your eye out, Zarban.

/pavlovian response

That's also the Pavlichian response. smile

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If you think that's bad, check this out!

Confused Matthew Yells At The Avengers

Not so much a critical analysis (review) as a rant, seemingly from someone who either didn't pay attention to anything that was happening on screen, or didn't actually see the film but said he did. smile

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Ditto!

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I've never heard of that Fatale comic. I'm dying to read it, mostly because it reminds me of a graphic novel I've had banging around in my head for years. For YEARS! It's called Seraphim. The story is equal parts Hellboy, Dogma and Angel, with a dash of Miller's Crossing.

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Invid wrote:

Naturally, if you don't expect there to be more episodes you run into the Buffy problem, where the first season had the best bad guy smile

Not only is that a pretty big typo, but it's bad math, too. The word (or number) you're looking for was not "first", but "third". smile

On topic and regarding Teague's question, I loved the movie. Coincidentally, The Avengers and Cabin in the Woods are currently battling it out for my top favorite film of 2012. My response to Trey and others (most people on the internet, it would seem) who complain about this "bad, 20-minute cold open" would be, "Oh, stop it! It's not 20 minutes, it's 12, which includes the opening logos and the narration by The Other. It starts things off with Nick Fury and SHIELD (the human, mortal characters. You know, "us"?) to bring us in, because we'll have PLENTY of time for the superheroes we paid to see. At least 2 hours worth, so to quote Mal Reynolds, "Let's not have any undue fussin'."

Having said that, I will admit, I was also not a fan of the choreography, framing and editing of the action that took place in that scene, initially. I was a little worried. However, in my second viewing of the film, I was able to follow things better and it wasn't so much an issue anymore from that point onward. I think it's being blown way out of proportion and after the movie's all said and done, I'm fine with the "cold open".

I view the alien swarm in the third act as well, a swarm. If a hail of killer bees descends upon you and threatens your life and the lives of everyone around you, do you really care about their backstory, individual identities and characterizations or are you just all, "Holy fuckin' shit! BEEES!!! Someone help us!"? Shouldn't that be enough?

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Invid wrote:

I would like to take a moment, before this thread fades away, to defend the spoiler filled DVD cover.

See, this film flopped. REALLY flopped. Keeping the secret didn't get anyone to go. So, in order to actually sell the thing it was decided to tell viewers there was actually good stuff in the film. Because, otherwise, the only people who'd bother buying it are those who already saw it and, thus, are already spoiled.

Except that it didn't. The world wasn't set on fire, but no one had to write it off, either and make apologies. It wasn't an expensive movie (especially compared to the budgets of its competition) and it ranked #3 at the box office on opening weekend, right behind The Hunger Games and The Three Stooges. It made over $66 Million worldwide (yes, I'm counting outside the US, because it matters and America isn't the only place that exists on Earth). It did well enough for Lionsgate, they picked up Joss Whedon's "Much Ado About Nothing", a black-and-white adaptation of a Shakespeare play, with no big stars (which I am very interested to see, don't get me wrong. I'm just trying to make a point, here).

Also of note: If we operate under the assumption that you're correct about the film's earnings, that still doesn't necessarily justify or explain the "spoiler" on the lenticular (huh, spell check doesn't seem to know that word) cover. In fact, going back over your post, a couple of your sentences appear to be contradicting your theory. If I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that almost no one saw it in theaters, so in order to make a good sale on home video, many of the monsters where highlighted on the box cover to entice newcomers who might see it and go, "Hey, cool. This looks like all the Horror movies for the price of one!". Otherwise, they were only left to sell to the converted, which by your estimation is too small, so fuck it?

The thing is, the theatrical trailer already told you there were numerous baddies to be found in the movie, which is really all the box art here is doing anyway. The context or "twist" is still a safely kept secret. Plus, they're not going to try to sell to those who have already seen and liked the movie because they don't have to/need to. They already know those people will buy. They're more or less a foregone conclusion. This is about grabbing new viewers. People who are either exclusively home entertainment consumers, or those who missed the opportunity to see it at the cinema. The time to preach to the choir is mostly reserved for special editions or double-dip releases later down the road.

This post is way longer than I initially intended, but my point is simply this: The Cabin In The Woods, all things considered, made a nice amount of money. Just because something doesn't make a mint, doesn't mean it's a hardcore failure that folks should be ashamed of. Just sayin'. smile

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Hey! I resent ONE of those! smile

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Funny coincidence for this to come up right now, as I've started a string of commentaries for all Spider-Man films (concluding with the new one), in cross promotion with Crave Online's film channel editor. We're both defenders of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man films (even certain bits of the third one, but more on that later). I know that's a hugely unpopular opinion at the moment (that sound you just heard was Brian Finifter's brain snapping apart like so much wet rope), especially given that we also weren't terribly impressed with The Amazing Spider-Man, whereas most of the free world seems to be all, "Finally! They got it right!" about it.

Here's a nice, introductory write-up on our strategy over the coming weeks, which includes a link to my friend's review of The Amazing Spider-Man, which mostly mirror my own feelings:
http://www.craveonline.com/film/article … spider-man

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I don't think so. Maybe more a failing of Trey's, but not the film's. However, I wouldn't necessarily call it a failing anyway, as Trey is allowed to view the film however he likes. Joss has said it's a loving hate letter to the Horror genre. What he means by that is he was unhappy with the state of much Horror recently, particularly "Torture Porn". He felt a lot of the humanity had gone out of these stories, and it's that humanity which is so important to why these stories are told to begin with. Cabin is all about exploring that. Trying to understand how we got here and why we want/need to see this. Trying to find the humanity, which yes, ties back to what these movies used to be, while also examining those tropes as well, so it leaves no stone unturned and is an equal opportunity microscope.

Part of what gave Joss hope again for the genre was "The Descent", which is probably why David Julyan (Memento) is the composer on Cabin, as he scored both "The Descent" and the sequel.

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To clarify, The Director was originally written as a man but yes, once they changed it to a woman, Sigourney Weaver was who they immediately thought of for the role. It's also important to note that Joss already had a history with her, since he wrote Alien Resurrection and she was a huge supporter of his original script. It was the thing that convinced her to do the film.

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avatar wrote:

If only most of the classic movie monsters weren't copyrighted... they could have really gone to town in the last act.

See, I'm of the opposite school of thought. I feel like using known icons is a crutch and kind of lazy. I find it much more creative, difficult and rewarding to populate your universe with your own take on these classic creatures. I've done two, separate commentaries for this film now, and I've had discussions about this very topic. A co-host told me he watched the film with a friend and when Fornicus showed up, his friend scoffed and said, "Rip-off!" Both of us were confused (and a little saddened) by this reaction.

Early in the film, Truman and Lin are discussing the Buckners and Truman says, "They're like something from a nightmare." Lin corrects, "No, they're something that nightmares are from. Everything in our stable is a remnant of the old world, courtesy of...(pointing down)...You know who."

Based on that, I hypothesized that the dismissive friend got it backwards. Fornicus is not a rip off of Pinhead. Pinhead is actually a rip off of Fornicus. My co-host went a step further with it and suggested that Fornicus, like Pinhead, is just another example of a Cenobite in a sea of many.

I like that. I like the idea put forth in this movie that these creatures have always existed throughout time and our movies about them are merely our own approximations, from some collective unconscious. We don't have bad dreams in which these creatures are created and we then tell stories about them to conquer our fear. We have bad dreams about them because they already exist and we use those "fictional" stories as a way to distance ourselves from how the world actually is. Art is imitating life in this instance, not the other way around, which is the lie we tell ourselves so we don't go insane.