Well yes Up I can understand, but Madasgcar (like a lot of dreamworks stuff) has a much more prominent element of slapstick, so I'm wondering why something like the camera move you guys mentioned would be so jarring. (I'm just using these movies as examples cause they're the ones you guys brought up and hey, they're good examples)

I think another part of it is a trend I've sort of noticed, where 3D inherently is treated as something much closer to film than it is to classically done animations. So it seems to me (and I'm just going from what I've witnessed, your mileage may vary) that 3D animations feel restricted and limited by this expectation of realism. I don't know if that's a simple product of the way the 3D pipeline works coupled with a sort of mob consensus of what 3D "should be" or if the slapsticky thing doesn't work the same when done in 3D (I'm just guessing on that one, because I haven't seen enough 3D animations done in that style to make a judgment call.)

As for the emotional investment. I feel the same amount of attachment (If not even more, because I just think it's a better movie) to Kuzco and Pacha as I do to Carl and Russell.

Imma chill out for a while.

I really don't understand what the big deal is...

It was the perfect place to just chat and discuss before the commentary comes out.

Blargh on you Dorkman.

*Where your opinion is wrong.

Well let me put it this way, the movie basically tried to take the best parts of most of the books smash them together and tried to use the plot of the first book...sort of.

It was a steaming pile of shit.

It was truly a thing of beauty.

I don't really have five...well i have one really good one.

Otherland series By Tad Williams

One of the craziest, coolest things I have ever read.

"I don't mean to piss on your love of the film. But I just don't think it's quite the story you want it to be. It's basically a noir mystery. It's about very damaged people doing bad things and trying to get out from under them and mostly not succeeding. That's great and kind of cool, but man is it bleak."

Dude, this is WHY I love it.

You say it's bleak that that somehow makes it not worth watching or invalid. That what I am having a hard time understanding. That's the point of the series/movie. It's the story of these normal people (Granted some of them arn't probably the most balanced, but then you get the entire range of the spectrum too) who either decided to become superheroes or get forced into it. And it's the story of them in a cold war environment (And you expect a happy go lucky story perhaps?) dealing with trying to be these people and dealing with the world they live in.

Every single thing you just mentioned was done by one of the Watchmen, the comedian. Obviously yes, he was deranged a little more than the others and it shows, and thats why he's the way he is.

But I'm talking about all the others, Silk Spectre, Nite Owl,  etc. etc. They are basically just regular people (Granted Nite Owl is basically a billionaire but he doesn't play it up like one Bruce Wayne. He's just a normal guy with a shit ton of cash and a desire to do something more. Same goes for pretty much all of them.

Zarban, you have a major flaw in your premise. Dr. Manhattan never worked with Ozy, and probably never would.

"People seem to regard Watchmen as great because it supposedly depicts what would really happen if superheroes were real, but it really depicts more like the worst case scenario of what could happen."

There is a difference between a "Superhero" in the classic sense that we know it, and the superheroes of Watchmen. The superheroes of watchmen are not these shining perfect specimens of the human existence, they are real human beings that simply decided to do this. They are as fucked up as the next guy and they deal with it like any human would (As much as I love Batman, how many people would actually exile themselves for how ever many years and learn to become one with themselves, er whatever actually goes on up there. No, they get shitfaced and scream at the moon.)

I think it's not so much a case of "If superheroes were real, as it is , "what if people tried to be Superheros" (The Doc notwithstanding).

I actually just finished reading the novel (Like yesterday actually) and I thought it was probably one of the coolest things I have ever read. Namely because these are real people aspiring to be something more, and some fail, some succeed, and some just get fucked up beyond any imagining.

"Besides, of all the wars superbeings could win, Vietnam wasn't one of them. Machine guns, explosions, and flame-throwers? That's exactly what US troops used!"

You seem to be missing the part where the Doc was leveling the forest from the roots up. Thus making flamethrowers, explosions and machine guns a little more useful.

I'm sure I have more to say on this, but I can't think of it at the moment.

Alright so I just finished rewatching Constantine, and man did I not watch that the first time. Maybe it was the fact that I was like 13 at the time, whatever.

But I really really liked it. Honestly it's like you guys are always saying, Keanu can do Keanu and I really like Keanu in this role, same goes for Shia actually. I thought it worked perfectly.

And of course Tilda Swinton was gorgeously sexy as ever.

Also does anyone know any other movies/books/comics whatever, along this same vein (God, demons, angels etc.) Cause I really love the shit out of this kinda stuff and I only had Supernatural before this, and I really want to find more like it.

I think I need to make a clearer distinction between when I'm assuming that when I respond to a facetious comment with another facetious comment in the attempt to carry on a facetious conversation, that others will actually play along and when I'm expressing a sincerely held opinion. That was the former.

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Yah, I loooove the books, but the movies just basically take them out to the back and rape them a few times...and not in the good way.