401

(64 replies, posted in Episodes)

Invid wrote:

All I can think of you could be talking about is there's usually a way to remote detonate rockets in case they start heading towards a large city instead of skywards, and it may be after the explosion they detonated one of the boosters that was flying off. The SRB would have been far from the remains of the shuttle by that point, though.

This. There are remote charges on the shuttles, as with all rockets. Each rocket flies within a predetermined column of space. If it flies outside of that space for whatever (catastrophic) reason, it's the Range Safety Officer's (RSO's) responsibility to activate the charges to prevent the rocket from crashing into a populated area.

If you watch the footage of Challenger exploding, you can see that after the External Tank disintegrates, the SRBs (the white rockets on either side) continue on, still active. You can't really tell from the footage on Youtube, but at some point after that, the RSO detonated them.

402

(2,061 replies, posted in Episodes)

Oh, if you only knew, my friend.

403

(21 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Sadly, I'll have to miss all the CC fun, I'll be helping a friend shoot a movie.

404

(17 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I hardly think that would be much of a conversation. Stone axe versus a torqueless power drill? I think the answer is pretty clear.

405

(27 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Yeah, wow guys. Topic.

I'm going to indulge with this post, and then if we want to keep having this discussion (and I think we should, it's a fascinating one!), we should start a new thread.

Anyway, I've expressed almost the exact same sentiment, I want to see more sci-fi where the aliens are so completely alien that they're akin to a force of nature. There isn't much sci-fi that does that (Starship Troopers is a notable example. The Borg were for one brief, beautiful moment, and will be again if I ever get my chance), but that's because drama by and large is about conflict between people. Because the point of drama, by and large, is to inform us how to conduct ourselves and deal with other people by showing us other people's behavior. So if you aren't going to use your aliens to demonstrate a particular human behavior, you better make sure the real story is going between your actual human characters.

But also, it's our nature to assign humanity to things that don't possess any. We name hurricanes after all. Personally, I'd love to tell my own version of the alien invasion story and turn it on its head a bit, using at least partly the force of nature concept.

But this whole discussion goes back to a point I was trying to make in the District 9 commentary (something I mangled terribly, if I recall). As human beings, we are inevitably confined to human thought processes and human imaginations. As creatures of the planet Earth, the departure point of our imaginations will always be planet Earth. And even so, look how far she outclasses us. She's our planetary parent and I defy anyone to imagine a weirder, more "alien," less "human" creature than what she has already conjured up and put at the bottom of the ocean (there I go, endowing a force of nature with human behavior...). I simply don't think it's possible. Ultimately, we're human beings telling a story, another creation of human beings, to other human beings in an attempt to communicate some point about humanity.

But this idea is why looking for life elsewhere in the universe is so vital of an endeavor. Scientists and science fiction authors alike are constantly asking themselves the question, "How different or similar will alien life be?" On the one hand, you have our planetary bound imagination. On the other hand, you have the fact that math and physics, chemistry, and geology work the same way here as they do on Mars (and in Andromeda and farther) and biology is as much an extension of chemistry as chemistry is of physics. And physics of mathematics. So it stands to reason, to a certain extent, if it all works the same from one end of the universe to the other up to biology, does that uniformity extend to biology itself? And perhaps beyond to psychology? Sociology?

Who the hell knows, but I sure as hell would like to find out.

406

(2,061 replies, posted in Episodes)

HE SAID! HE'D LIKE SOME VOLUME CONTROL!!!!!

*ahem*

407

(75 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Trey wrote:

For now, I'm not watching Stargate for purely business reasons.   

Someday I hope to be able to explain that statement.  And watch Stargate.

Ah, show business, getting in the way of good storytelling since 1909.

408

(27 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I loved the premise, I still love the premise. It breaks my heart that it wasn't executed properly. It also breaks my heart that, like Lost, they couldn't construct compelling drama with actual human beings in a non-supernatural situation and instead had to resort to crazy supernaturalistics.

You're flying in a collection of floating rust buckets, towards a destination that is impossibly far away, if it exists at all, without enough food, water, or fuel to get there, all the while being chased by killer robots. That's plenty! Stop right there! I don't need ancient prophecies! I don't need supernatural beings! Give me these groups of people in these particular circumstances and I'm with you all the way!

And yes, other than the missed opportunities, the clearest indication they didn't have a plan was in the lack of foreshadowing. If you bought for a second that the Final Five were anything but the result of some darts being thrown at headshots taped to the wall, then I don't know what to tell you.

And again, I'm not saying you need to have every moment over the span of five years figured out for the pitch meeting. But if your opening titles include the words, "The Cylons have a plan," then you, as the writer, damn well better have SOME idea of what that plan is. To do otherwise is simply insulting the audience.

409

(301 replies, posted in Episodes)

Oh geez...you might not want to listen to us tear it apart then...

410

(27 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Spoilers if you care.

Okay, here's the thing about the new Battlestar, when taken moment to moment, it's fantastic. Really, really great stuff. But when you add the whole thing up, take it as one story from start to finish, it doesn't add up to much. It's like some wave interference pattern. Some moments cancel others out and you're left with ripples. Ideally, you want everything working in sync so in the end you've built a tidal wave. Battlestar doesn't do that.

Listen, nobody was a bigger Battlestar fan than me at the outset. I LOVED the miniseries, LOVED it. Finally, somebody got the "military in space" thing dead on. And having the sole surviving ship be the anti-Enterprise? Loved it! And having Adama's Earth speech be fake? LOVED IT!

But it quickly became apparent that the producers didn't know where they were going and missed opportunities as a result. The first big red flag for me was when they discovered Earth was real almost immediately, missing out on the dramatic potential of having the fleet rebel because Adama legitimately deceived them.

And then, while being an amazingly ballsy move, they fumbled New Caprica. Did anybody ever believe they were really going to stay on that slag heap? I didn't at least. We've talked about once or twice the end of Act 2 being a false resolution, the moment where the audience thinks the story is at its end, either as an "all is lost moment" or "everything worked out for the best" moment. Settling on New Caprica was the perfect false resolution for the whole show. But it came too early, there wasn't the real danger of the show ending that way. New Caprica, great idea, great moments at the beginning, throughout, and end (the Adama Maneuver OMG!), but those moments didn't fit well into the overall story. Great pieces, lousy machine.

I think they fell into the same trap the Lost producers did, only they weren't as good at covering it up until the end. They got self indulgent and cocky, more concerned with tricking the audience than telling a story. And worse, they didn't sit down at some point early on and figure out an ending and a road map to get there.

And believe me, it breaks my heart that it's the case. But that's the way I see it.

Also, the texturing on one of the civilian ships in the Pegasus fleet in Razor is just...awful.

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(75 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Alright, this is a Stargate thread, so let's keep it clean in here. But this was bound to happen, so let's go duke it out over Battlestar.

EDIT: Link.

412

(75 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I know you were kidding. I think it was still a little much.

413

(75 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Yeah, wow, dude. Want to take it down a notch?

414

(75 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I've been rewatching Stargate SG-1 a lot lately, thanks to the dearth of summer programming. As a result, I've started trying to convince Trey to give the show a try. And the more I rewatch, the more emphatic I become about it.

And I encourage all of you to join me.

One of us! One of us! One of us!

415

(13 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Kickpunching.

What the hell is kickpunching?

No, don't tell me.

416

(3 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Are you saying the fifty stars are towards his back or towards his front? So that if they were standing in front of you and facing 90 degrees perpendicular to you so that you were looking at their right shoulder, the patch on that shoulder would have the star field in the upper left hand corner instead of the upper right? According to American military code, the correct way is for the star field to be in the upper right hand corner, which makes it look backward to how we usually see the flag:

Army flag

Eddie or Matt might have more authority on the story behind it, but the story I heard was that it's a throwback to the days where you had a guy at the front of the ranks physically holding a big flag, literally the standard bearer that lets everyone else know, "Hey, we're running towards the enemy now! Follow me!" Because he'd be running forward, the wind would push the flag back so the starfield would be in the upper right corner. If it were in the upper left, that would mean that the guy was running backwards. In other words, retreating. And since America Fuck Yeah that doesn't ever happen, it has passed down the generations to end up on our soldier boys' shoulders as such.

417

(31 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Ever since watching The Happening sometime last year, I have been lobbying that we should do the whole Shyamalan ouvre. But I think we should do it backwards, starting with The Happening (or Airbender, now) and working back towards Sixth Sense. Then we we at least artificially create a positive arc for ourselves and don't end the ordeal suicidal.

418

(31 replies, posted in Off Topic)

How the fuck did Shyamalan make one awesome movie and one pretty good one?

His nose dive into incompetence baffles me.

419

(75 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Negative.

The theme: "Technology is bad! Reject it!" *Yawn*

The ultimate justification of the magic bean: "Uhhhhh....God did it!"

420

(75 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Negative.

Battlestar is exemplary of the idea of wasting a great premise by not having your story planned out.

421

(75 replies, posted in Off Topic)

If only they had spent as much time writing the episodes as they did writing their titles.

422

(48 replies, posted in Episodes)

"That's more Samurai..."

"...shut up."

423

(31 replies, posted in Off Topic)

You don't understand, Gregory has the one true valid point of view about everything in the universe. Any other opinion is self evidently and obviously incorrect.

424

(29 replies, posted in Off Topic)

So is the point of this to name the one, beloved bad 80's kid's movie?


Easy.



Howard the Duck.

No defense necessary. After all, "If God had wanted us to fly, he wouldn't have taken away our wings!"

425

(2,061 replies, posted in Episodes)

DO I LOOK LIKE A COP!

RRGAGRAGARGARGARGAGRAGRRRRARGRAGRAGR.


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