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I'll go you one better. I think at least eight out of ten stories period are either Pinocchio or Frankenstein.

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If you only watch one episode of Stargate ever, make it "Window of Opportunity."

"In the middle of my backswing?!"

The one with the black hole is solid science fiction too. I forget the name of that one.

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My only complaint last time was the audio level, which Fayda fixed early on.

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Fair enough. I have a hard time getting emotionally invested in the movie myself, since David is never even hinted to be anything more than a mere machine. A complicated one, yeah, but I related to him as a character about as much as I'd relate to an ATM.

The whole premise and execution reminds me more than a little bit of this, though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBqhIVyfsRg

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Kay, I see that. But at the risk of hitting your "condescending" button again … I think you misunderstood the last act. Or differently understood it.

First of all, they're not aliens at all. Gigolo Joe foreshadows this: "They made us too smart, too quick, and too many. We are suffering for the mistakes they made because, when the end comes, all that will be left is us." David is recovered from the ice by "evolved" robots, the descendants of the race of robots created by the humans. When they dig him and Teddy out, one robot says to another (in subtitles), "These robots are originals. They knew living people." Then he — it, whatever — downloads David's memory (we see it projected on the robot's head), and the other robots link up with the first one so they all get the data.

Then there's the scene with David and the Blue Fairy, which is obviously a simulation created by the robots. She even spells it right out: "We want you to be happy," she says. "You are so important. You are unique in all the world." Because, again, he's so old that he actually interacted with living people, before they all died out leaving only the robots behind.

Then comes the singular moment in the whole movie. Teddy gives David the lock of hair — it's still pristine after two thousand years; remember this is all simulated by the robots — and the robot who we now learn was the narrator all along says simply, "Give him what he wants."

This is the only time in the entire movie when one character shows mercy to another. And it's a robot that does it. And not even a robot built by a person — the robots built by people are no more capable of pure altruism than the human characters are — but a robot built by robots built by robots and so on for twenty centuries.

And then the robots give David the illusion of a single day with his mother — probably squirted into his mechanical brain in a fraction of a second. And after that, because they understood his limitations, they turned him off.

The movie ends with a mercy killing.

If you want to characterize that as an alien family and a happy ending, well, I can't really argue with you. But I just can't see it that way.

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Eddie, I think we've been down this road before. If it wasn't you, it was somebody else on this forum I'm pretty sure. Lemme say it again, 'cause once again I find myself needing to: Whenever I sound really fucking condescending, it's because I'm making fun of myself a little bit and the between-the-lines whatnot isn't coming through over the Internet. For reals. Promise.

That said, I'll try to cut down on it.

Anyway, at the risk of actually staying on topic, lemme just say this about that regarding "AI." There's legitimate debate to be had about the difference between an author's intentions and a viewer's interpretations and whether one or the other of those is more legitimate. But whether either Kubrick or Spielberg meant it this way — or Aldiss, who wrote the short story on which the movie was incredibly loosely based — that film has to be one of the most deeply and unapologetically misanthropic works of art ever. It's practically the anti-Spielberg film. Spielberg, the consummate humanist, put his name on a feature that starts out with the contention that humans are bastards who are absolutely not worth saving and never lets go of it for a second.

There are two kinds of characters in the movie: human beings and robots. The humans are, without exception, selfish, crass, venal, shallow, weak, manipulative and cruel. The robots have their own personalities, because they were built to, but they share one characteristic in common: They are innocent. They're simple and child-like and pure of spirit, by virtue of, well, not having spirits at all. They are virtuous, but empty.

Precisely one character (or more accurately, group of characters) shows the slightest humanity in the course of the film. And it happens at the very end, and in deference to anybody here who may not have seen it, I won't spoil. But suffice to say it fits with the theme.

"AI" is the anti-fairy tale. It starts with the premise of Pinocchio, then says fuck you, there is no fairy, there is no magic, you will never be anything other than what you are. You're incapable of transcendence, and no one — no one — will ever love you.

It's a dark, dark film. And the reason I made my wisecrack about not understanding it is because a lot of people simply don't. They misunderstand this or that aspect of the film — or maybe it's more accurate to say they differently understand it, since I make no claims about one interpretation or another being the correct one — and it leads them to think the movie was thematically murky, or that it took a hard swerve in the third act. It wasn't, and it didn't. It's a brutal, nihilistic film.

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Yes. I did google Gia Paloma.

Yes. I did recognize her.

Yes, the whole experience of reading Eddie's post was uncomfortably like watching porn with my guy friends.

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Unlike mister snooty pants Chris and mister I-have-friends-and-a-life Zarban, I will be sitting on my couch. There may or may not be beer involved.

So I'll be there.

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I contend that it is impossible to both hate "AI" and understand "AI" at the same time.

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Remind me to put "top five series or season finales in episodic television" up on the top-five thread when next it's my turn.

I've always had a soft spot for the "fuck it, everyone dies" kind of finale. Or even the "okay, no actual characters died, but fuck it, the premise of our show dies" kind.

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Does seeing something in a porn count as hearing about it secondhand?

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On that note: Have you ever noticed just how many synonyms English has? If you don't speak any other languages you might never have noticed, but really it's kind of ridiculous. Virtually every word in our language has at least one synonym, and most often one of the two synonyms seems more polite than the other. Best example of this I know is "sweat" and "perspire." The two words are perfect synonyms; they mean exactly the same thing. But one is more polite.

"Sweat" (the verb) is from the Old English "swætan." "Perspire" is from the Norman French "perspirer," out of the Latin "perspirare," literally "to breathe through."

Between 1066 and the mid-1400s, late Anglo-Saxon and Norman French merged to form what we now call Middle English, which of course evolved into Modern English starting in the 15th century or so.

But we've retained almost all of the vocabulary of both languages. The grammar and basic functional words are Anglo-Saxon, but fully half of the vocabulary of Modern English is French. You can especially see this with the meat words: cow versus beef, swine versus pork, deer versus venison. Pretty much the only meat word we retain from Old English is lamb, and that's just cause the French "agneau" is hard for us to pronounce. (We did retain the name Agnes, though, which is just the Latin word for "lamb" with a different spelling.)

Anyway, it's all a thousand-year-old side effect of the fact that the nobles spoke French and the common people spoke Anglo-Saxon. We kept almost all the words, but even today we associate the French words with politeness or snootiness, and the Old English words with being low-class or common, or even rude. Social memory lasts a long time.

Okay, done being a word nerd now.

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A few years ago I took a two-day business trip to Sydney, Australia. It's a fifteen-hour non-stop flight from LAX. They showed five in-flight movies, and Zoolander was one of them.

Twenty minutes into it I took the rental headphones off and chose to stare at the back of the seat in front of me instead.

This is an absolutely true story.

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Please don't let this turn into a name-your-penis thread. Please don't let this turn into a name-your-penis thread.

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Not to be that guy, but have you considered borrowing or renting one or two location sound recorders for the night to use as backup? I'm loathe to trust software alone for live application. I've used an Edirol R4 Pro on many occasions and it's worked flawlessly; I've also heard good things about the Zoom H4N.

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Dude. You could have sold tickets to that.

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Oh, and can I just say? The very best episodes are the ones where you let the tape roll after the end.

(Yes, I just finished listening.)

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I don't know about melting, but the sex would be fantastic.

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I totally respect that, Squigs. I don't think I ever saw a trailer for Pan's Labyrinth, so I didn't have that to go on. In fact, I don't think I really knew very much at all going in. My tabula was all rasa 'n' shit.

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Listening to this one — I'm only about halfway through — has gotten me thinking about likes and dislikes and hows and whys.

I saw this movie for the first and only time quite recently—well, sort of recently—well, about a year ago. And I remember liking it. Not loving it; I haven't rushed back to watch it again. But I enjoyed it. After it was over, I was glad I'd taken the time.

And you guys … well, not so much.

And I've been wondering why that is. I mean, I'm making a couple of not-entirely-safe assumptions. I'm assuming that neither I nor you guys have shit-for-taste. I don't like the same movies some of the disembodied voices have said they've liked, but so far it's always been okay-I-see-where-you're-coming-from. So if I assume that neither I nor the DIF hive-mind are just flat-out stupid about movies, then … well, I have a mystery on my hands.

The only thing I can figure is that I — and I'm totally just speaking personally here — I didn't want anything from this movie. I wasn't invested in it on any level. I got it from Netflix, and I watched it on a weeknight, so it's not like it cost me anything to speak of. And I didn't go into it all heart-set on it being the best movie capital-ee-vee-ee-arr. I watched it, found it pleasing, and moved on with my life.

And you know what? I felt the same way about Avatar. The deal I made with the movie was simple: "Entertain me." And thus was I entertained. Golf claps all 'round.

It's just weird, is all. Cause I can be critical, man. I have the capacity to express harsh and strongly worded opinions. It's just that in this case, and a few noteworthy others, I didn't have any. Strong opinions, I mean.

What I've heard so far in the commentary — and again, I've only listened to some of it today — boils down to this: "It wasn't what I wanted." And you know, that's about the best damn reason I can think of for disliking a movie, or really anything at all. If I'd gone into the movie wanting the same things you guys wanted, I'd probably be right there on the couch with you — in spirit, 'cause otherwise it'd be creepy and weird — talking about how let-down I was.

But really, the whole "it's a fairy tale"/"it's not a fairy tale" thing … respectfully and with love, I think that's a big ol' red herring. Cause if any of you can give me, right now, a succinct and reasonable definition of what "fairy tale" really means, I will fedex you a dollar.

I can't construct an eloquent and lucid defense of the film, 'cause I only saw it the once, and that was last year. But I remember being intrigued by the juxtaposition of the fantasy elements with brutal reality — maybe it's not the world's most original concept, but it was sufficient to engage me for the duration. And although my personal taste leaves me with little patience for that sort of thing, you have to admit that Del Taco really does have an unusual eye for fantasy. And more than anything, as the movie went on, I found myself wanting to know what was going to happen next. So … you know. There's that.

I think it really all comes down to expectations. And I think it's both totally valid and fundamentally honest to say the words, "It wasn't what I wanted."

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It was exactly one minute, which was about fifty-eight seconds too long.

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TrowaGP02a wrote:

Tom Cruise is by far the best part of this movie.

Life doesn't give you many chances to say those words in that order, so when an opportunity comes along, grab it with both hands and hold on tight.

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Funny enough, Tropic Thunder is on my list of movies I liked well enough even though I expected to hate it.

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No, and from what I hear, it's a lucky thing.

I can tell you this much, though: When Senator Barack Obama runs over your foot on the concourse at Reagan with his wheely carryon, he's very apologetic about it.

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Yes, because I'm secretly Ronald Reagan and I've been dead for six years.