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^^ That's the funniest fucking thing I've seen in days

Also, say what you will about that Invisible Children charity or whatever but that was one damned well-produced short documentary (however misleading, overly simplified or in support of a questionable charity it may be - I reflexively trust Will Wheaton on all such matters). Getting that many people - enough for a video to go "viral" - to sit down and watch a THIRTY MINUTE long DOCUMENTARY on AFRICA is an insane accomplishment of making topics that most people would rather do just about anything than dedicate their free time to feel compelling.

I, for one, barely clicked on the video not expecting it to be more than 2 minutes long, saw that it was 30, thought "oh hell no, but I'll just watch the first couple minutes to see what it's about", and the next thing I knew the video was almost over. Thirty minutes in internet video time is like a 3 1/5 hour movie, it's like a 17-year-old dog, an 8-foot-tall person - it's more than anyone ever expects to put up with. You've got to be damned good to get that many people to watch something that uncomfortable for that long.

Hell, I almost want to do a commentary on the Kony 2012 doc just to pick it apart on a filmmaking level piece by piece (though I'm sure making a little kid cry was enough to draw in 99% of people and I'm just overblowing the whole issue).

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Sort of related to the Why-don't-the-Eagles-just-fly-the-ring-to-Mordor issue: Do Frodo and Sam earn their ending?

I haven't read the books, but it seems like the Eagles-ex-Machina are a bit of a copout designed to provide a happy ending despite the hopeless situation they've gotten cornered in. Why not just let Frodo and Sam die on the Mt Doom (it would be a downer ending, but the ending we do have is still a bit of a downer with Frodo's metaphorical death and all)?

They've saved the world from pure evil, that's a cause surely worth dying for.

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Wow, I need to go see more movies in theaters. I nearly voted for Harry Potter and Tree of Life for everything, but that's not really fair as they're pretty much all I've seen. Has anyone on the forums seen enough of these to make really informed decisions?

I fully support calling them The Big DiF - or DiFfy's for short (Is that a DiFfy in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?)

Twilight.

By the pure happenstance that it was the newest review when I came across the site, Twilight was the first I listened to. I clicked on it expecting Down in Front to be a wannabe RiffTrax, but what I found was much more interesting than Rifftrax ever is. So I can vouch for your #1 Teague, it's worked on at least one regular listener.

That was all I came to post, but looking back over the archives...

Spider-Man 1 & 2
I loved these two movies and never has my opinion of a movie been changed so much by discussion.

Terminator: Salvation
It was great fun listening to Teague discover one of the best sci-fi franchises of all time, but Salvation was definitely the best commentary of the series. More to fix tends to result in a better commentary, I guess.

All Zack Snyder Commentaries
I don't necessarily understand DiF's love for this guy, but what's great about these commentaries is that you don't always seem to understand it either. So you pick the films apart until you come up with a pretty compelling case and aren't afraid to bash what deserves to be bashed. Educational and entertaining.

2001: A Space Odyssey
Great discussion all around, but Teague's revelation in understanding this movie is what makes it one of my favorite DiFs.

The Princess Bride
My favorite of the movies that DiF universally praises.

Transformers 1 & 2
So. Much. Fixing. Plus they're fun to make fun of, great commentaries on both counts.

The Fountain
My favorite film, and this commentary changed my interpretation of it. Probably not for everyone, but that definitely makes it one of my personal favorites.

Titanic
I don't even enjoy this film, but your unpacking of it was informative enough that I'd still rank it among my favorites.

Constantine
The same goes for this.

Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs
I was incredibly surprised to find that someone else that liked this movie.

Pitch Black
Same goes for this. The "Vin Diesel is watching you" meme idea was hilarious, and I was particularly mind-blown to hear someone else who knew about and prefers the original "Vin Diesel Facts" meme over "Chuck Norris Facts".

Inception
Same goes for this, but replace "liked" with "was disappointed in", and you justify it far better than I could ever put into words.

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Definitely buying this, if only for the assuredly weird experience of hearing DiF on a real DVD.

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Ewing wrote:

The insane asylum world is the real world. The burlesque parlor world is Sweat Pea's broken psyche's rationalization of the real world. "Dancing" in the burlesque world equates to sex in the real world. Anytime a girl is dancing, she is screwing an orderly in reality. Thus, when Baby Doll is dancing to distract guards, she is actually getting banged by an orderly while the other girls are doing their part in acquiring maps or whatever. The crazy insane fantasy worlds with German zombies and robots are Baby Doll's way of dealing with the rape in the asylum. The entire film is essentially about a bunch of mental patients coping with the sexual abuse from orderlies and doctors by imaging dream scenarios where they're free.

I was under the impression that was the commonly accepted interpretation.

If that isn't, what do most people think it is?

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For those interested in a remake of The Island or Parts: The Clonus Horror I can't recommend Never Let Me Go highly enough. I've never seen Parts - from what I gather the essence of the stories are the same except Never Let Me Go plays it as a very thoroughly thought-out drama in the vein of an excellent Twilight Zone episode.

Also, this is only tangentially related, but anyone who hasn't seen both the regular-speed version of Alvin & The Chipmunks' songs and Patton Oswalt's bit about it should really check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7smyIP7TplM

More on topic: RoboCop by Darren Aronofs-- damnit, we were so close!

Lastly, WestWorld by Duncan Jones

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After "The Classics" episode I'd really like to hear an episode of everybody reporting back after seeing the one classic they mentioned they hadn't gotten around to in the previous episode.

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@johnpavlich

I've got to agree on Way of the Gun (and Meaning of Life, for that matter). Very tense movie with some of the best gun fights this side of Heat, though it does suffer from a little 90s faux-Tarantino dialogue throughout (Way of the Gun - not Meaning of Life, that is).

I have rather a unique reason why I can't currently appreciate The Godfather. A friend of mine convinced me the only way to watch The Godfather was smoking cigars and drinking whiskey - half a bottle of bourbon later I can remember just enough of the movie that rewatching it wouldn't produce the impact of a first-time viewing, but not enough to honestly say I've seen it. I figure I've got to wait a few years and give it another go.

Regarding Blade Runner: I hated the theatrical version, hated the Final Cut, but loved the Workprint Cut. So go figure. If you watched one of the other versions and disliked it I'd recommend giving the Workprint a shot.

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Teague wrote:

Who wouldn't shell out a hundred bucks for a bare-bones Blu Ray set of the originals, now?

The six-year-olds he's ostensibly been making these movies for since the beginning, for one thing.

When you consider what a small percentage of Lucasfilm's profits likely comes from the "film buff" crowd that values the untouched originals in comparison to the six-year-olds who know Star Wars primarily through the Clone Wars show - for whom TPM is a movie that came out before they were even born - his actions make perfect business sense.  For that crowd IV-VI are really an afterthought. A few bad effects would be enough to turn them off to the whole OT, and the main appeal comes from how closely Lucas can now tie those into the Prequels they're familiar with. Ultimately, he'll sell more copies of the retouched versions than the originals. And he'll sell the same amount of untouched versions no matter how little effort he puts into them, since that fanbase isn't really going to change.

I'm not saying any of this is a good thing, btw. But I wouldn't think the fans who want the original untouched trilogy were going to buy the Special Editions whether Lucas made more changes or not.

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Some of these will probably be a few seconds early/late as I took a few seconds to look at the timecode and then rounded back 5 or 10 seconds as I thought necessary.

Transformers:

14:45 - "When did you become aware of Michael Bay?"
16:00 - Comparison of Bay and Kubrick revisited
17:30 - Discussion of Rigging and the rumor that it actually works on the robots in Transformers
18:00 - Trey discusses the time when he built a full-sized transformer
22:53 - Trey tells the Michael Bay Memo story
25:50 - Volkswagen/Germans and violence/Bernie Mac kills himself
28:55 - Michael Bay telling a joke/ bickering
30:15 - Define Michael Bay's style (don't use the word "gradient")
32:10 - Dorkman explains Anamorphic lenses
38:20 - Debating Megan Fox's attractiveness
43:08 - Trey/Mamet on Circus on Film
49:15 - TvTropes "Conservation of Detail"/discussion of the film's screenwriters
53:40 - They actually asked the military what they would do if robot aliens attacked, and this is it.
58:05 - "Michael Bay is a step beyond vaudeville. This is Circus and Blackface."
1:00:40 - "I've never been more aware I'm being marketed to."
1:04:35 - Comparing Bay, Gondry, Fincher, and McG
1:06:52 - Transformers as a Perfect Movie
1:15:00 - What makes an actor good at acting against CG?
1:17:18 - Objectives in Transformers vs. the Prequels/a firsthand account of Bay's directing style
1:20:17 - Shia and the Dad riffing/how to direct actors/improvisation
1:24:35 - "If you can get her to leave the room, you get the part"
1:26:45 - David Mamet's theory from "On Directing"
1:31:35 - "3 Goldblums to the wind before he gets out of bed in the morning"
1:35:30 - Directors personalities revealed through humor ("James Cameron thinks True Lies is a comedy")
1:37:15 - "How much pee do you want?"
1:48:55 - Still welding/"All life is essentially crazy"
1:53:52 - Trey explains shoe leather scenes
1:55:50 - Dorkman explains mass shifting
2:02:10 - Reason Bay shot fight scenes in close up (apparently there was a reason)
2:03:10 - F-22s canceled in midair
2:03:40 - Why do they go to the only populated area to fight?
2:06:52 - Imagine this girl's demo reel
2:08:21 - Would this be considered a bad movie?
2:09:58 - Trey's Shit Sandcastle analogy
2:14:17 - What is Michael Bay good at?
2:20:27 - "Lasers. Airplane. Explode."
2:21:06 - The Michael Bay gradient filter
2:24:35 - "That's their solution?!" "Dump him in ocean."
2:25:54 - "Just give me an objective!"
2:26:14 - Teague doesn't know what a coda is

Aliens:

3:30 - Alien/Aliens as Steve Jobs/Bill Gates
7:00 - Cameron contacting Fox about how to expand the Alien franchise
7:52 - "That's just a camera crane with a laser on it."
10:10 - You don't want to watch the Star Wars Holiday Special. Even ironically.
11:35 - The future business suit is just "flip the collar up"
12:15 - Cameron using dream sequences for exposition
15:25 - Cameron and blue collar heroes
16:35 - "The Nostromo cost 42 million dollars?!"
21:26 - "This guy waited 20 years for his big scene to hit the screen."/ Spiderman 2 story
23:20 - Newt's SE introduction vs her original introduction
24:45 - terraforming as a cost-cutting measure
29:25 - Ripley's motivation
30:19 - Cameron being impressed with Sigourney Weaver's script research
31:35 - "Which would you rather watch, Alien or Aliens?"
34:38 - Eddie on women in the military
36:37 - "Speaking of Eddie's Mom..." [laughter] "No, I was actually making a segway"
38:25 - Cameron and feisty latinas
40:45 - Goldman story "What if we make them all women?"
41:35 - how the Power Loader works
43:10 - Eddie explains what some of the guns are
44:43 - Non-uniform uniforms
54:37 - Callback to the hunt for the Alien from the first movie, but surely they can handle it this time!
59:33 - Bishop's Asimovian arc and defining an Asimovian arc
1:03:31 - Gollum references
1:05:32 - "Cigarette burn. Cigarette burn. Cigarette burn. Lunch..."
1:08:10 - Not a lot of daylight between saying no to candy and slaughtered family
1:09:00 - Groundwork for red herring with Bishop
1:10:10 - "If she dies, what have we really lost?"
1:13:27 - Slow build/dots being scary
1:15:50 - "Paxton is very lucky he was friends with James Cameron"
1:17:32 - "Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my rag-time gal!"
1:21:45 - Conceptions of the future throughout the 20th century
1:30:19 - "Game over, man!" in harmony
1:33:30 - "33 days without a robot massacre! Oh, wait. Flip it back to 0."
1:54:45 - "Good thing she's a smoker." "This time smoking saves lives"
1:56:45 - The bad guy is really the Weyland-Yutani company
1:59:14 - Act 3: Hard Red Combat Lighting
2:03:28 - Burke's death vs. Giovanni Ribisi's survival in Avatar
2:05:15 - Cameron on NTIs vs aliens
2:13:18 - "Still haven't found that bra, Ripley?"..."Suffrage."
2:19:20 - Trey explains the Alien Queen
2:24:32 - Meltdown as callback to Nostromo/"It's because I'm programmed to love you so much, baby"
2:26:40 - "She got up in the wheel well, like an illegal alien." "NO TREY! NO!"
2:28:20 - Fakeout ending
2:31:23 - Trey explains the final fight
2:32:54 - Nike product placement
2:40:40 - "Movies were invented so that James Cameron could make them"
2:41:35 - "I bought the 4 disk set, and deliberately left the last 2 in NJ."

2001:A Space Odyssey:

4:00 - Kubrick and Bay
12:22 - Planetary alignment theme
13:00 - Trey explains reason for overtures in old movies
14:23 - Explanation of why the book is based on the movie
15:25 - Chewie/the apes are vegetarians
16:25 - "Is that a leopard attacking a guy in an ape suit?" "Yes, welcome to show business."
17:20 - explaining front projection
18:20 - this is where most people found out about Stanley Kubrick
19:04 - "that's a painted dead horse, by the way"
19:30 - Teague compares Kubrick films
21:10 - Monilith/"What does this mean, and why is it here?"
24:30 - "For those who aren't watching along, he's looking at bones and going 'Oh, shit!'"
25:05 - Explaining the difference between humans and other animals
27:00 - "We cannot allow North Korea to gain bone technology!"
28:22 - Here's *the* shot (bone match cut)
29:30 - Explaining special effects/"Alright guys, how did they do this?"
31:37 - "This movie is older than us actually walking on the moon, and it looks great."
33:20 - Docking details explained
34:22 - The first dialogue of the film!
35:00 - "Is this the first example of photo-real modelwork?"
35:35 - Teague asks what Kubrick's M.O. was in making 2001
36:29 - Space travel as commonplace
37:42 - Increasingly lived-in visions of the future
38:49 - Realistic gravity
40:13 - The Sherlock Holmes cartoon
40:52 - Soviet/US relations
45:40 - The Zero Gravity Toilet
46:43 - Trey explains the moon landing sequence
47:35 - Moon Base the same as the one in Space:1999
48:42 - Dedication to accuracy
53:55 - 99% of the dialogue doesn't matter (and Teague asks why)
58:28 - Teague doesn't understand Stanley Kubrick, others try to explain
1:00:52 - "Kubrick is a perfect example of ' Art is whatever you can get away with.'"
1:01:45 - Trey's Bertolucci story
1:03:29 - Lack of awe
1:04:37 - The Discovery
1:05:55 - explaining and criticizing the circular room shots
1:07:50 - iPads
1:08:50 - Hidden as-you-know scene
1:09:40 - HAL
1:13:40 - "Most movies show you what you're not doing, this movie shows you what you are."
1:14:00 - The FUTURE
1:17:38 - People are losing the importance of "not knowing" something
1:19:35 - The difference between Lockwood and Delay
1:21:55 - The frequency of world-changing events
1:25:15 - Serge makes points about the vastness of space
1:27:57 - Hal made a mistake, and that scares the crap out of us.
1:30:15 - What they explain in 2010
1:33:25 - "HAL could not go crazy because HAL is ones and zeroes!"/neural networks
1:36:49 - Intermission/Teague complains that this isn't a killer robot movie
1:40:40 - The closest thing to an action scene in 2001
1:42:50 - Slow pace/"I'm on a rescue mission! I'm almost out of the garage!"
1:46:55 - Stunt Man/"Ow! If I wasn't dead I am now!"
1:47:37 - "Lay out its [2001's] genius for me."
1:49:20 - "There are very few movies that need their dialogue less than 2001."
1:52:20 - The first time we see emotion
1:52:50 - The horror of non-native environments
1:55:20 - "Not every movie ever made has to be the Hero's Journey"
1:56:12 - Kubrick and Michael Cimino
1:56:34 - "You're right, I forgot it was 2001: A Space Odyssey. We still have 15 minutes."
1:57:48 - No helmet spacewalk/"Oh, fuck this is gonna suck!"
1:59:37 - Why Dave is wearing a helmet while deactivating HAL.
2:01:03 - Portal
2:02:41 - HAL has self-preservation only in order to complete the mission
2:05:00 - "HAL's last act before he completely quote/unquote 'dies'"
2:06:25 - "Is this 3 distinct short films?"
2:07:45 - Jupiter's Galilean moons
2:08:40 - Teague 'gets' 2001/"This movie wants to tell you something that you already have no problem accepting."
2:10:47 - Trey explains slit-scan photography
2:12:25 - Serge explains what it all means
2:16:10 - Trey explains how going to movies was different in the 1960s
2:20:12 - The hotel
2:21:00 - "What is the most generally accepted explanation for this?"
2:22:24 - "There is a rich, weird guy with this room."
2:22:47 - Discussion of the old age makeup
2:23:57 - Skipping through this guys life through POV
2:24:55 - "I wanna stay in a hotel like this"
2:27:16 - "Thanks, we've finished our experiment..."
2:27:45 - Star Child
2:28:16 - "No, no, no Brian. Stop that"

District 9:

1:50: "It's still sitting there being a great movie, so we're gonna talk about it."
2:30: UCLA definition of science fiction
4:05: Trey's definition of science fiction
7:20 - "Viral" marketing
8:43 - Old man story
10:09 - The White Man and his relationship with The Savage
11:53 - "Talk about who you hate, and pretend they're aliens"
12:40 - The switch from documentary to narrative
13:48 - Prawns as a derogatory term
14:21 - Wikus Van de Merwe
16:25 - Bad-ass Tom Hanks
17:19 - Couldn't afford his own company
19:20 - "This is the beginning of their Trail of Tears"
21:45 - Alternate history
23:00 - Flipping the trope
24:00 - "Look at how happy he is to be murdering babies."
24:31 - Believable Dehumanization
25:45 - Why the aliens don't just shoot everybody up
27:08 - Why the aliens are easily distinguishable
28:00 - Transition to narrative/As-you-know scene
30:00 - 2nd Magic Bean
32:15 - different story
35:45 - Stanford Prison Experiment
37:45 - Milgram Experiment
41:25 - Moral Relativity
42:15 - Some group of college kids is surely objecting to this
43:20 - "Really, really, really scary"
45:05 - How large is your "tribe"?
46:50 - Sharlto Copley
47:30 - Does this fit Wikus' character arc?
49:25 - Why kill the golden goose?
51:30 - Why don't they ask "How'd this happen to this guy?"
53:20 - Corporations are beings that live forever and eat money
57:49 - Mexican butcher shop
58:50 - When the aliens come, they'll wanna fuck our women
59:40 - Trey explains being a white guy in Japan
1:03:30 - How many "Why"s do you have to address in a film like this?
1:06:55 - Alien-to-human converter machines
1:08:07 - Teague says it doesn't take imagination to be this negative
1:10:37 - Roberto Benini "Life is Beautiful" prawn
1:13:45 - African voodoo
1:16:00 - The siege scene
1:17:27 - Premise vs Plot/White Man's Guilt
1:19:18 - PJ O'Rourke Apartheid article/South Africa is America
1:21:05 - "What would the fair version of this society be?"
1:24:20 - Teague thinks humans did the right thing in this situation
1:26:00 - Trey posits that there might be some species or societies that can't cohabitate
1:27:50 - Appoint a council to try diplomacy with Velociraptors
1:30:47 - Wikus' transformation is dictated by the story
1:32:20 - Effortless Special Effects
1:33:05 - Mythbusters magnet bullet test/Blomkamp's confidence with special effects
1:34:40 - What is Christopher Johnson?
1:36:05 - "Can we get a movie without a damned Transformer in it?"
1:37:20 - The problem with Mechs
1:38:00 - Trey explains Active Compliance systems
1:39:26 - More violent = indie movie
1:40:56 - Trey explains that Science Fiction isn't a type of movie
1:43:30 - No theory that supports anti-gravity
1:44:55 - "How did they put that smoke in front of that guy?!"
1:45:55 - Trey would rather see Wikus die than become a prawn
1:48:10 - "The ship is gone but the prawns are still here. Is this better?"
1:49:10 - People standing on squares
1:50:50 - And then John was a prawn.

The Fountain:

6:55: Visual patterns & circles
7:20 - All the camera angles are straight-on
8:00 - "Trust me, this dude thought about this shit."
9:17 - Removing the casual experience
10:00 - The Evolution of the Audience
10:40 - Line crossing
11:20 - Dorkman would do that anyway
11:40 - Steve's Comic-con story
13:15 - Batman Begins story
14:35 - Steve's theory
15:10 - Dorkman's theory
15:58 - Connecting the timelines
16:35 - "Great idea for a shot"
17:06 - The star field
17:25 - Microscopic photography
18:15 - The backstory of the film
19:35 - Tattoos/"Tattooine doesn't have rings!"
20:25 - Directions/golden lights
21:00 - The simpler the symbols, the stronger the work
21:50 - "You want Transformers to have circles in it?!"
22:35 - Subconscious symbols
24:15 - "That was a great reveal"
24:50 - Dialogue very micromanaged
25:40 - Writer/actor effort
26:40 - "What does the bird mean!""...It's gold..."
27:00 - "I didn't realize how much I loved Hugh Jackman..."
27:20 - Starlight
27:50 "This is like, straight-up douchey talk."
28:00 - White/gold light
28:55 - "That was him doing something"
29:38 - "How do you make this happen, Dorkman?"
31:25 - "The fact that I'm making that up startles and amazes me!"
32:18 - The 80s sex scene/"He just fucked up his phone."
33:20 - "Wow, that shot's going on for quite some time!"
33:55 - The Comic Book
34:50 - The trailer/repeating shots
36:30 - The creation of trailers/the marketing of the film
38:45 - Pixar's marketing genius
39:45 - "Cancer motif!"
40:30 - "The sense of 'what just happened?' was palpable"
41:25 - Saving 1 Million dollars with a sound effect
42:05 - The Inquisitor is right
42:45 - "They said death is a good thing... that's retarded."
43:20 - Gnosticism and the Material World
45:25 - "You always want to call somebody on their bullshit, but there it is!"
46:25 - I Spy/The Fountain drinking game
47:20 - Decoder scene
48:20 - Eastern/Western views of immortality
49:25 - Neil Degrasse Tyson
51:05 - Don't feed Hugh Jackman after midnight
51:55 - Decoding the meaning of life religiously, biologically, scientifically...
52:40 - Chakras
53:20 - "That's what childrens is!"
54:20 - Teague can't believe the gold and white theme
55:08 - Pi
55:50 - Directors showing off
56:00 - Sound design
56:55 - "I could make a normal movie if I wanted to."
58:40 - Relatable angles
5918 - "Ahhh, my ring's gone. I'm gonna break stuff!"
1:00:40 - We're gonna need weirdness in our movies
1:02:15 - "It's a FOUNTAIN pen!"
1:03:40 - Not much camera movement
1:06:40 - Low-budget advantage to still shots
1:08:30 - Decoder in the stars
1:09:32 - Aronofsky respects our time
1:11:52 - Art is contrast
1:14:00 - When he looks at the guy dying
1:15:00 - Light!/"Live you bitch!"
1:15:40 - Selfish love
1:16:25 - "That was a brilliant transition!"
1:17:15 - "He's about to go rant about how Obi-Wan doesn't respect him..."
1:18:17 - This is the epitome of crazy
1:19:10 - "Some guy really poked himself in the finger there."
1:21:05 - Match.com commercial
1:21:30 - "Creo means belief"
1:22:05 - All the assistants think he's crazy.
1:22:48 - "God-Vag"
1:23:55 - The first time Tom admitted he's afraid.
1:24:48 - Elusiveness is elusive
1:25:35 - "In spanish, Izzy Creo means 'Yes, I do believe'"
1:27:50 - Chakra bubbles/Clint Mansell
1:28:20 - Serif subtitles!
1:29:05 - "I think you'll be able to tell when the authorship of that book switched hands!"
1:30:20 - Nerd Fight!
1:31:00 - Tree Cum
1:32:40 - "Collect more data before human trials"
1:34:45 - "I give up. I ran out of steam."
1:35:30 - "If you make people feel something, they'll forgive you."
1:37:23 - "This is the kind of movie Down in Front exists for."

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I'll take 41-44 and The Fountain. I seem to remember a fair amount of technical discussion you guys might want on a lot of those.