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Squiggly: Am going to watch Predestination soon. Will remember to read your thoughts after I've watched it.

My week of watching new releases was kind of depressing. Here goes.


Terminator Genisys (2015) - 3/10 (7.1)

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My god. I felt like I need to watch both T1 and T2 to wash my mouth after all the watered down, overwritten material that was in this film. I'd probably rate both Salvation and T3 higher than this film. So many things wrong. This is one of those films where you can pause it every minute of runtime and find 4 things to tear apart in-depth, either editorially, directorially, script, acting, or otherwise.
This isn't just mediocre "Fan Fiction" like I'd categorize T3 and Salvation. No, Genisys just goes straight into hilariously bad, and doesn't look back.

The Red Letter Media video is perfect, it really sums up how worthy of ridicule this series has become, and this is only from the aspect of the pure mechanics of the plot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXJiSZhA5cg)

The aged T800 in the film makes a point of stating a few times how he's "old, not obsolete".
Then at the end, this theme comes full circle when the torso of him lands in a vat of the mimetic poly-alloy that makes up T1000s. A few minutes later the T800 shows up, now sporting a T-1000 body and saying "upgrade!". In other words, his torso landed in the goo, and he just took control over it and made himself a new body with the mimetic poly-alloy.

God damn I cannot cringe any harder.

As a Terminator film it is a 2/10 (they spelled the names of some people correctly so that's a point I guess), and as a pure action film it is on Paul W.S Anderson level, so a 4/10.




Jurassic World (2015) - 4/10 (7.4)

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Maybe I was still sore after Genisys, but I also watched JW. I did not care for it at all.
As a brainless, slightly cringe-worthy dinosaur romp, it will probably satisfy.

If judged in context with JP1, this is terrible. So little continuity with the logic of the world of JP1, The characters are so boring, energyless. Hammond is replaced with some CEO dude who lacks all of Hammonds charm and giddyness, and has no additional traits.
Music felt like someone playing imitations of John Williams JP1 music (lacking the refined performance of his scores) out of context behind the new film. The first act of the film has poor mixing, where the music is playing loudly over dialogue scenes where one would expect the music to not steal focus.

This was just so lazy. The mode of transport in the film is transparent glass balls with gyros. Why? Because WE HAVE TO ONE UP THE ORIGINAL STUPID. Also the balls surely would become completely dirty and greasy after just minutes of rolling through dinosaur muck and dirt and goo and crushing bugs and etc etc. But screw logic, shut up and turn your brain off, it's just a fun movie!

Maybe I missed something, I was expecting more after seeing the general reception of the film. Almost none of the details of direction, acting and plotting amount to anything. There's not really even a theme in the film.
The first film had Hammond be visibly defeated after shit went wrong. His dream was ruined, and he and Ellie had a conversation over Ice Cream.

JW has none of those scenes, at all. There's no pondering by anyone about what is going on. No character in the film has any real purpose. The finale of the film is just dinosaurs fighting. JP1 had the T-Rex deliver the final blow in the film as a perfect send-off. JW has some fan-service "you like dinosaurs, have 5 of them!" and then just ends. The humans are standing there like "well... that happened".

We follow the kids in the film for a quite large percentage. They have no personality at all. Literally. They are young brother and older brother. What are their characters? They have none. None. The filmmakers didn't even provide them with an adult to play off of like the 2 kids and Sam Neill in JP1. And JP1 atleast realized that the kids would have moderate possibility for character, so they made the fact that they were kids play off of Sam Neill's dislike of children.

I just can't see how anyone could find this beyond passable. The plot is more disaster movie than thriller, and yet they feel they can shove in forced humor at odd times. In JP1 a handful of people were in peril, and there were enough lulls in the action to allow for some wonderment.
In JW, we have 20.000 people running for their lives at large sections of the film, and yet in all of this the filmmakers expect us to forgive corny comedy moments. Hahaha, no but seriously, if you shut up you can literally hear the screaming of people dying a stones throw away. This plot does not allow the same dynamics as JP1, stop shoving it in, it's completely inappropriate.

The dinosaurs in this film, collectively, are about 50% as scary as the T-Rex in the car attack scene in JP1. so much money burning on screen, and the dinosaurs still don't look "there" at all. I counted one instance where it looked like they used an animatronic, i.e. something was actually there. Everything else looked really detailed, and very fake.

There was literally 1 moment where I thought "oh, that was clever". Like I was so happy to see something I felt was creative amid all this incoherent character work and plotting.

Underneath the dress-up of John Williams themes and kids in peril, this had barely any soul, and in the instances where the movie stops and allows for some kind of character interaction, I was just questioning why they would stop when there are fucking dinosaurs loose, get in the car you raving lunatic, the plot should not allow for you to do this unpunished. This thing took out a team of military guys like 30 minutes ago. I know you know because you watched it happen. I would stay in the god damn car.

But whatever, we need an imitation of the scene in JP1 where they come across a sick/injured dinosaur so the movie can pretend to have meaning because one character just started crying because the fake CG dinosaur looks so cute because like 5 animators worked on just the eyes on that one so you know it's meaningful, the time and money spent and all.



I apologize for the rants. I feel this is a safe place to vent, feel free to tell me how wrong I am!

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I just saw it and have to agree with most criticisms.

This, like T3 and Salvation, just feels like fan fiction. "Wouldn't it be cool if..." is the only motivation behind everything.

For a minute or two the movie was awesome, and that is when the visual language suddenly changes when they are imitating the T1 opening and terminator arrivals. Also the music imitates Fiedels classic droning sound.

The music in this film. Jesus. The music is just constantly telling you what to feel. It's just string ostinatos ad nauseam. It feels like it permeates and suffocates every frame with "Epic!" trailer-esque music.

No attention to detail, which is a mortal sin when they aspire to follow T1 and T2, considering James Camerons legacy. Gun shots slow down Terminators only when the plot requires it.

The plot just keeps throwing out new things like it has ADHD or something. It never reaches a point of feeling like "the chess pieces are in place, and here we go!". It substitutes intelligent plotting for "hey look at this, but also this was actually this, and by the way, over there".

There isn't a single action scene that has intelligence behind it, or a sense of craft or planning (they just 100% rip off the "car-hanging-over-a-cliff" setup from The Lost World in one of the biggest scenes). In another scene, the protagonists are being chased by a car with a villain in it. They shot a rocket at the car. The car explodes. End of action scene.
T2 has action scenes that morph and evolve as they go along. Seriously, can it be that hard to come up with something that is engaging and exciting?


Overall, the script and screenplay doomed this from the start. It's just completely incompatible in content, tone and intelligence with T1 or T2. Add to that miscast actors (Clarke especially), a score which deserves to be taken out and shot, it's that generic and mindless, and a heap of other problems too many to name, and you have yet another misfire that doesn't even seem to try to be a genuine follow-up to Camerons films.

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Pretty nice movie night this evening. Watched both "Heavenly Creatures" and "Taxi Driver" in what amounted to 4 hours of studying troubled characters. Really recommend both. "Heavenly Creatures" in particular starts off a bit off-kilter tone-wise, but once you get into it and the story progresses I really fell into it quite nicely.

Taxi Driver is, in a general sense, the slow-jazz version of Nightcrawler with De Niro substituted for Gyllenhaal. Also very recommended. Martin Scorsese has a very memorable and well-acted cameo that I wasn't expecting.

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Someone made a modified Jurassic World trailer:

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bullet3 wrote:

So you missed the part where after the climactic destruction battle of Chicago, the movie decides to migrate to China and has ANOTHER SOLID HOUR of destruction action scenes for no reason.

What I'll say in its defense, is it does have the most coherent action of the series, and it also has the least amount of obnoxious humour. Still as incoherent as ever story-wise, but it would be kinda watchable if it wasn't THREE HOURS LONG


I think I skipped through it and saw some metal dinosaur at some point. I don't think they had any purpose at all other than to amp up the destruction by adding more mass to our Transformers as they hurl themselves into infrastructure.

I agree with your points aswell. For me though the 4th film feels kind of soulless. I was quite surprised at how much I missed Shia and his presence in the 4th one, even his parents. Whatever humanity the 3 previous entries had went away when they introduced new characters in 4, so 4 just feels detached from the rest of the series. Like Michael Bay wants us to stick around for another 2 entries before they have waded through enough clichés to have the new characters feel somewhat relatable and have some semblance of depth.

T4 would have needed to feel more playful like T1, since we probably need a more down-to-earth movie to introduce new characters. Instead it felt as if they had Transformers 2 as the first entry in the first 3. None of that Shia goes to school, wants a new car, developing love interest bit. As stupid as that could be at times in T1, atleast they went through the motions.

Here we just meet Mark Wahlberg, he is down on his luck. The girl already has a boyfriend to she has nothing to do for us to invest emotionally in. These characters really do nothing before all hell breaks loose. I'm guessing the girl still has her boyfriend at the end? Mark Wahlberg is down on his luck?

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I've not actually seen the entire film, I gave up around the hour and a half mark, where there was still a solid hour of bullshit left. You are a better man than me Squiggly.

I have to agree with what you said, and add that T4 is to me by far the most disjointed and idiotic entry in the series. You really cannot follow it, halfway through reading your plot description I already had given up trying to figure out who did what and why.
It's like they purposefully write it as diffusely and messy as possible to make sure people feel compelled to buy the retail product later to assimilate the parts they missed the first time. I've seen the previous entries a few times each with Rifftrax accompaniment, and god knows I still cannot remember half of the plot details in those things. They're like the movie equivalent of Gish gallop, drowning you in stuff and things and look at that flag and shiny metal flying past the screen and short shorts on a 17-year-old and that dude just got burned alive and Mark Wahlberg just randomly chugged a branded drink on the street and please help me I don't even remember who I am anymore.

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I didn't know what to expect. Didn't expect that. smile

Hadn't heard anything about this over here in Sweden, hope everything is as OK as it could after being... on fire, you know.

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Writhyn wrote:

For those who are so inclined, I'm looking for some opinions on having characters die in a book. In the last few years, writers like George Martin have gained a reputation for killing characters all the time, to the point that it becomes their "thing" and turns into a charity auction. In TV and Movies, Joss Whedon seems to have a similar (though lesser) reputation.

Well, I'm writing a book in which death is a real threat, but I hate the idea of exploitative deaths. I haven't read A Song of Ice and Fire, so I can't say whether any of those deaths are exploitative, but some people do have that opinion.

So here's the topic of discussion: What is the difference between a character death that is "earned" vs one that is not? Is there a difference in this between books and tv/movies? How can a character be killed without it being an obvious play on the reader's emotions?
I have opinions on this, but I'm more interested in hearing from other people.


I guess a character death might come across as cheap or exploitative if it simply seems like the writer is cutting off a story line or character.

Having their death lead to more complexity in the story, like a new plot thread, or some other consequence, might make it seem more meaningful and deserved. Or it being sacrificial would probably also play better, since that would also impart meaning.

Basically, for me, using it as an "out" of some sort would feel cheap. If it seems like a substitute for creative writing. However it adding complexity to the following story would probably have a positive effect, on me atleast.

fireproof78 wrote:

A sequel that is completely self-contained?

How refreshing.


If you're like me and don't want to watch any trailers, just listen to the soundtrack on a decent pair of headphones.
This type of heart-pounding pace is allowed to exist in long stretches of the film. It's one of the most intense films I've ever seen in the cinema or in general. It makes any of the Fast and Furious films look like a 5 year old knocking toy cars together, and that's coming from someone who has a lot of respect for the 5th one and the amazing vault chase sequence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VWOSciGbF4

fireproof78 wrote:

Question: do I need to have seen Mad Max before seeing this one?


Nope, not necessary at all. The first few minutes of the film has all you need to know. Max is just a guy surviving in the post-apocalypse. Not much to him to be honest. The title "Mad" Max makes it sound like he has a rich character portrait, but it's really stripped down. The flavor in most Mad Max movies come from the supplemental characters in whatever story they are covering in that film. As in this one.

It's completely self-contained, just sit back and enjoy.

Invid wrote:

The sad thing is, I just haven't been in the mood to go see an action movie. I'm going to end up watching this and Avengers on video.


Yeah, that is a shame. Mad Max is very absorbing and engaging. You can actually see what it happening and follow it, which in general was what I found lacking with Avengers 2.

I really would recommend it if you have the chance in cinemas. It's such a breath of fresh air in terms of execution. It's pretty much a rock concert on wheels. I think it's impossible not to fall right into the rhythm of it. It'd be like standing 10 feet from a monster truck as it drives over and crushes another car. I can't imagine many being left unimpressed.

If you like action in general, imagine the choreography and design of T2s action sequences, with an intensity in visuals and music that often eclipses the docking sequence in Interstellar. That's pretty much what you are in for.

EDIT: I may have just convinced myself to see it a 5th time... my friday plans will have to change.

bullet3 wrote:

By the way, this movie gets better on every viewing. Seen it 3 times now, and could literally go again tomorrow.
It's so perfect from a story structure and filmmaking standpoint, and so dense with character quirks and world-building, that it doesn't get old. Action flows better every time too, since you know what to look out for. It's downright overwhelming the first time, but on repeat you can just appreciate the incredible juggling act of mini-setpieces and how they flow in and out of eachother within each sequence.


Glad it's not just me. The most I've gone to the cinema for one film before was twice for The Dark Knight Rises. However I've seen Mad Max 4 times now, twice with friends and 2 just for myself. Never thought that would happen.

Writhyn wrote:

Just saw it. It was great.

The only three problems I had with it was that guitar and steering wheel shot, their reason for going back to the citadel, and their plan once they did.

Second was they seemed way too confident that the citadel would apparently be defensible once they got there. They didn't know they would get a chance to kill Joe, and even if the path was closed, the mountains could still be bypassed. I totally bought the people's reaction when they showed up with the "god" dead at their feet, but that should have been part of the plan somehow.

So I just came back from my third cinema screening of it, and I also had the same thought as you before regarding the logic for going back, and them not knowing they would get a chance to kill Joe.

Am not sure why I missed it before, but this time I realized the very clear plan they had was not only to shut off the canyon pass with the main rig section they were going to detach. Since it also contains fuel they would simply detonate it when their pursuers all crammed up to it in an effort to remove it. The line of dialogue I misinterpreted is right after they mention decoupling the rig, one of the elder women simply says "Boom", and another character looks at them in a confirming manner.

They could be damn sure their pursuers would be hot on their tail, and while they all knew it might not work out if they got stopped before they got there, or if enough people got ahead of them before the pass, their plan was actually completely logical. Even if Joe went up in flames in a huge explosion, they seemed confident they could convince the Citadel population of his demise.

Again, I missed that small exchange the 2 times prior. I don't think the soundmix for those characters was up front and I think the scene had some other character I was watching at that moment, so I didn't really catch it before.

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The Village (2004) - 8/10 (6.5)


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Rewatching this and I always forget how utterly mesmerizing some moments are. I have to feel that this is still Shyamalan when he was at his best. Not necessarily the peak of his storytelling, but his filmmaking instincts in general are still very sharp here.

Don't mind the twist ending. Seeing it again knowing it's coming, there is still very effective and moving storytelling underneath that grabbed my attention. My only true quibble in the film is Shyamalans cameo scene. It's junk unnecessary exposition interrupting an emotional climax of score and tension.

This film has some of the absolutely gorgeous sound design Shyamalan employed in Unbreakable. The artistic use of echo and reberb on certain sounds is very effective, and other techniques, like leaving only low frequency rumble and atmospherics to put you into the mind of a character, can really turn what on paper is a pretty flat scene into a real attention-grabber.

Acting is actually pretty great overall, though I can see how the dialogue as written could come across as unappetizing. Scenes have Shyamalans early trademark of feeling quite stilted, but that also yields an uneasiness which also keeps your attention.

Add to that Roger Deakins exceptional visuals. Truly wonderful in their understated beauty. Together with James Newton Howards hauntingly beautiful score they both collaborate to really steal the show. If you remove some of the visual flair and the score, what's left is probably again pretty flat and drawn out, but the devil is really in the details here. Shyamalan really manages to make pretty much every scene interesting by virtue of either the score, the lighting, uneasy tension, effective camera work, or great atmospheric sound design. It's just really tight and controlled. Everything feels intended. With a purpose.

It can be a truly hauntingly beautiful film, and one scene in the film (my guess is you will know it when it happens) is still one of the most effective I have ever seen.

The cheesy-feeling elements could get in the way of enjoyment for some. However if they do, I feel you are missing the deeper meaning. This isn't so much a supernatural thriller, as an almost Malick-ian poem to nature and love and loss. I almost wish there was even less plot than there is, leaving me free to infer events further and really make the film more my own in that sense.

If you haven't seen it, really recommend it. Maybe check out Unbreakable first as a primer to Shyamalans particular style. If you saw it a long time ago, might be worth a rewatch for the visual and aural experience.

Doctor Submarine wrote:

It was rated R, so no cuts for a lower rating. In fact, George Miller got his wife (an editor who had never cut an action film before) to edit the film because he didn't want it to look like just any other action film.


Really? That's awesome.

I find that aspect of this film mildly humorous and ironic. Here we have a 70 year old director who, while quite versatile, previously made Babe and Happy Feet. The editor has never cut an action film before. The cinematographer has some action-y films, but also Talented Mr. Ripley and Dead Poets Society.

And together they make something that must give 99% of their peers, some who have spent their careers in the genre, a serious inferiority complex.

Skill and talent transcends most genre barriers I suppose.

I read on a  reddit thread that they had 2 years go work on the 3d version, and it might be the same company that halped with titanic etc (someone might be able to dig through company credits).

I saw it in 2D though. And seeing it again tonight, I decided on 2D again. FWIW. smile

Well, if one assumes that the purest display of raw masculinity involves being stripped of all emotional defenses by a 70-year old Australian man, ultimately being reduced to a happy, sobbing 3 year old in the cinema seat... No, not at all. smile

Saw it a few hours ago.

Might actually be the most satisfying action movie I've ever seen. I almost lost control of my emotions about halfway through the movie, from a constant rush of endorphins as my feeble brain could not believe the constant stream of pulsing, driving action that just keeps going in wave after wave of awe-inspiringly filmed and executed action scenes.

I don't think I can adequately describe how much I love this film, in pretty much every aspect, from editing, camera work, stunt work, acting, pacing, pure insanity, sound mixing and sound design.

I was as filled with joy after seeing it as I was after watching "Her", and similar to that film, I just kept waiting for the film to make that first wrong move, and ruin a perfect streak. But to my eyes it just didn't, and I'm both as emotionally satisfied as I am filled with clear-headed appreciation for what they managed to do with this beautiful, insane, operatic action colossus.

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Xtroid wrote:

I thought Ultron was an unbearable villain. James Spader's voice and dialogue did not suit the robot design.

I had the thought aswell. My thinking was that the voice and tone for Ultron needed to be... younger, for lack of a better word. Less weight, more energy. I guess more the Tom Hiddleston character rather than Spader. Like a teenager who thinks they know everything but lacks the experience to contextualize it.

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Interesting topic Teague.

I just watched Avengers 2, and I was simultaneously impressed at how deftly it manages to handle all the characters, while also realizing these films are just way too overblown for their own good, and they are suffering greatly because of it.

I should note that I still have the first Avengers at an 8/10 on IMDb, and I think I would still agree with me-from-x-years-ago on that assessment.

Avengers 2 was 2 hours and 21 minutes, and the editing pace in general and always felt like it was kind of racing to make it to the finish line on time. There just isn't enough time to do all characters justice. The bloat bleeds through to all areas of the film.

The plot becomes kind of muddled with various character motivations and need of differentiation.

The action scenes to me where the biggest problem, both in terms of motivation as written on the page, aswell as execution.

It's constantly a flurry of quick cutting back and forth, as every sequence needs all characters to have little mini-sequences with some context of beginning, middle and end. The way the action scenes are filmed in general is lots of short shots, rarely longer sequences. This might be just to give the editors as much leeway in post to trim the film to a tolerable length.
An exception to this is the intro scene which is one long take, but that also suffers from such chaotic juggling of characters that in the theatre seat, it's just hard to keep track, and the filmmakers can't easily emphasize one moment over others, or create some sense of structure, because they just need to get through the somewhat automated-feeling motions of giving each character their allotted screen time and scene weight. In comic book form this would probably work great, it would create dense panels the reader can study and absorb. The film version though, is the equivalent of an intro scroll of text at double the comfortable reading speed. Sure you might be able to read it all before it goes off the screen, but you retain none of the information once you power through it. You read the words, but you don't know if there was even anything of relevance there.

I don't know, maybe I'm getting older and my brain is slowly turning as elastic as a rubber band left out to dry in the crispy heat of the summer sun. I'm only 29 though, surely I've got some time left before that sets in?

Spader('s voice) was great, his character I felt was bland all around, and his motivation was basically that of the bad guy in MI: Ghost Protocol; Kill all humans and let the world reset itself. The character as stated by Whedon himself is freshly formed in the film, and so gets a skewed world view from taking in information and processing it with an immature sensibility.
However this also leads to the motivation for him also being devoid of any real meaning. He wants the world to end because... nothing really. And... fight! Queue endless hordes of mindless drones that, like stormtroopers in the prequel trilogy, are picked off so easily they never feel threatening in the least.
It's a cliche which seems to persist only because not having that element there to kill a lot of time, while they are disposed of in almost comedic numbers, would immediately make obvious how little else in the film there is. It would just be James Spaders robot flying around and punching Avengers (or shooting a non-defined energy from the eyes/hammer/palms/forehead) until either side can't fight anymore. It would become immediately clear how devoid of substance the characters and their movitations are without the free energy that comes from sheer numbers.
Like if you and 9 friends are playing soccer one evening, and suddenly after an hour of darn good fun, 5 of them have to leave suddenly. And now there's just 5 people left and the energy level just drops as the intensity dissipates, the 5 of you running around a now comically oversized arena, you can't have goalkeepers anymore because then there'd be no outfield players, and now with no goalies everyone would rather just take potshots from long range rather than actually play the game. Suddenly the underlying mechanics and dynamics of the game are unbalanced, and made very obvious, and the fun just drains. 10 minutes of long-shots and dithering later, everyone finally realizes this and collectively decide to put an end to the evening before it becomes embarrassing.

Contrast this with something like The Terminator. It's basically 2 vs. 1 the entire film (3 vs. 1 in T2), and the singular goal of the villain is simply to kill a protagonist. Yet those films are filled with energy, excellent editing structure and flow, and carefully choreographed tension in the plot and script.

The sound design of Avengers, something you might also agree or disagree with Teague, is generally just a wall of chaotic action noise. I do think that if the sound mix and design were more scaled back and with better layering in terms of which sounds are important to the moment and which aren't, that might help the editing and general frenetic feeling of the film. I'm sure even 2001 would feel stressful with the wrong musical accompaniment.

T2 on the other hand has a delicate, often very quiet sound mix, which has moments of rise and fall, and plenty of dynamics even in action scenes. In T2 every gunshot stands out, every glass shard clatters against the floor, and low sound levels are used before, or interspersed with louder moments
Avengers was just a blur of nonspecific noise to me. There was twice as much audio info there as there needed to be, and not enough separation in terms of dynamics and volume to be remotely helpful in aiding my brain to decipher the action.


The only moments the movie got a welcome sense of life were the character scenes, because you can tell these people really enjoy working with each other, and Joss Whedon can direct actors and can get their energy across to the audience. In those glimpses it feels like a cameraman just got sneaky and caught some shots without anyone knowing, capturing real joy and camaraderie.
Oddly enough, for the same reason, those shots almost became jarring to me, suddenly I was watching a different movie with enjoyable characters that act like real people, and I would find myself grinning like an idiot. And I always felt sad when those moment ended and the (frankly, at the end) gosh darn plot-serving action had to start up again.

This film also has the Quicksilver character, the same fast-moving character that appeared in X-Men: Days Of Future Past.
Bryan Singer and crew created some truly memorable scenes with that character in DOFP (if you've seen that film I shouldn't have to say anything else, you know what I mean). In Avengers though, that character really doesn't do much of anything. We do get some scripted backstory which was surprisingly effective at explaining the motivation of him and his sister, but once in action, the character is as figuratively invisible as he is literally invisible to the naked eye. There are very few moments of slow-mo to let the audience see his perspective, and the rest of the time his characters scenes are just shoved in among the rest, in an editing flow which felt droning, and relentless.


I realize most of these complaints can be levelled at most of these films. I guess I've just been pleasantly surprised enough times (Days Of Future Past for instance) where franchice films have far surpassed what might be expected of them in terms of storytelling, script and acting.

I don't know. Maybe not having Joss Whedon would be a blessing in disguise. Having more limitations might be what these films need, so even the Avengers films could benefit from some specific plot focus, rather than constantly having to fan-pander by trying to fill the film with so many different flavors that it ultimately just comes out a muted grey.

Time will tell I guess.

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Thanks BDA, that totally makes up for the 2 hours. wink

And wow, 3 books to explore that epic character arc? I was not aware. They mention his mother in the film, but I think they may have even slightly dipped into book 2 for those hints. That hint is pretty much the only thing we ever learn of Christian Grey. He talks like an executive at a press conference throughout the film, he has some lines, but he never really says much of anything.

That content padding though might even be worse than Twilight: Breaking Dawn part 1, where we spend the first hour of the film just with Bellas and Edwards wedding and honeymoon, planning it, sending out the invitations, oh I gotta walk in these shoes since they are kind of uncomfortable new hahaha, that sort of stuff. And where everything eventually unfolds pretty much exactly as you'd expect any normal wedding would (yawn) and nothing basically happens for an hour until she becomes pregnant with a vampire baby, at which point Bella gradually becomes more and more sick for an hour (win), then Cronenberg-level horrific c-section, and Fin.
So that's 2, or even 3, whole plot points in 2 hours. It is racing along in comparison to Christian Greys character development.


A bonus thing from FSOG that highlights how toned down the film must be in comparison to the book.
Christian Grey at one point in the film says the line "... I am 50 shades of fucked up", in a very somber and serious, dejected tone. Like it has weight. Suit pants and shirt, slighty desaturated color palette, it's raining outside, muted lighting. No pop music playing. Weight-y scene.
In no way is he portrayed as that. He, I guess, lacks a "normal" sense of emotional intimacy, but at this point in the film he's basically just mildly used some whips and belts. The way the line is delivered, you'd expect it to be Patrick Bateman having a rare introspective emotional connection with another human. Not this rich Steve Jobs type without a care in the world who likes to spank women during sex.

The line probably had to stay since I assume it's lifted from the book, considering it's essentially them referencing the title, but that line comes out of nowhere, and maps to literally nothing that happens in the film.

At most he has some less-than-common fetishes and trouble with intimacy. "50 shades of fucked up" to me requires him to atleast have a couple of DWI convictions to be even remotely warranted, where you can imagine his friends or family sitting down and telling him, "dude, you need help. You behavior if fucked up right now". Or we need to see him feed LSD pills to pigeons in the park. Maybe he kicked a dog once because he was bored and just wanted to feel something, anything. I think most people would agree that'd be pretty fucked up. But what's that, you like to roughly spank women during sex? Cool, I think that was the main plot of Family Guy last week. Boy, that Quagmire is a hoot, right guys?


Frankly I'm curious if the line fits better in context with the book, or if the book is so poorly written it doesn't work there either, just for other reasons.

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Writhyn wrote:

Excellent review, that ^


Haha, thanks. Almost deleted it a bunch of times as I was typing because I couldn't believe I was still spending time writing about FSOG...

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I saw most of "Fifty Shades of Grey". Was boring and bad. Not sure what I expected. It's originally Twilight fanfiction, there's lots of pop song montages to cover the lack of any substance, and no stakes or plot tension at all. At times our main heroine really comes across as another incarnation of Twilights Bella Swan, and that made me want to pull my hair out at times. Made it halfway through before I started skipping ahead (at that point, nothing worthy of mention had happened at all).

Danny Elfman's piano-driven score seems to think the movie contains scenes with emotion and occasionally charm (there is no such thing on screen), and so at times is hilariously off from what I was actually feeling. The tame music also further deflates any tension or interest a scene may have.

There are entire scenes in the film that are 5-6 lines long. Some characters are introduced and then do nothing of consequence at all.

Nothing happens. He likes her. She likes him. He wants to whip her. She isn't sure about it. They spent 1 solid hour just going back and forth on whether he gets to whip her. Finally he gets to whip her. She sobs and complains that he whipped her (which she agreed to) and that she wishes he would not have that desire in the first place (which he has been crystal clear is his desire from frame 1 of the film).
They just spent an hour of the runtime going over this again and again and again, negotiating terms, etc etc etc. This should not come as a surprise. The main female character is unbelievably weak and frustrating to watch. The entire movie exists solely because she doesn't know what she wants sexually. After 2 hours she finally figures that out, and the film then ends. The main female character has no arc at all, no change.

Christian Grey has no character. He shows barely no emotion throughout the film. At the end I was hoping, as I sat through another scene that seemed to go nowhere, that his character would atleast have some kind of arc, or some backstory would atleast give some emotional backing for the audience to understand his actions. Nope. He wants to dominate her sexually. After 2 hours she realizes she wants more than that. The end.

Sex scenes were tame as hell. I was just hoping something interesting would happen, anything. Maybe, he goes over the line at some point and causes her harm she didn't agree with. Or he realizes, to his surprise, he feels for her in a way he hasn't with anyone else before, and desires something more than just a BDSM agreement between them. Like he struggles with a duality that he has a hard time reconciling, one part wants to have a normal everyday relationship, but the other side to him desires degradation and dimination. Nope, his character is flat and one-dimensional.

Instead we spend time (again, 2 hours is the length of it) with two consenting adults without any problems to deal with other than that they obviouslt aren't sexually compatible, as they star in soft core sex scenes accompanied with top 100 pop songs. At times the film feels secondary to the music. Like the editor nagged and nagged and nagged for weeks, and finally the people involved realized that people would fall asleep if the scenes didn't feature harmless pop songs to take some focus away from the lack of substance.
Also they couldn't hire someone to do a subversive or tense, dark score with sexual or uncertain undertones. No, that would give the audience an actual point of interest. Just have Danny Elfman play some piano music, and throw in some radio tunes as if the sexual tension and acts we're seeing on screen is the equivalent of a quickie on a saturday afternoon, as opposed to the ENTIRE POINT of the film existing and the only thing our characters seem to talk about or have in common. Let's not try and somehow make that one, solitary asset actually interesting.

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Fast 7 was pretty bad.

I like silly action films when done right, but they need some semblance of weight to them.

When they jumped the car from skyscraper to skyscraper, I just sort of gave up. I had a tough time swallowing Vin Diesel flying through the air saving Michelle Rodriguez, aswell as the runway length in Furious 6. But this just went into Transformers territory. There was no reason to care after that, that was my honest feeling. The ending juggled 4 different plot threads leading to an unfocused feeling at best. The Gods eye concept is... almost laughable in how childish it is. Atleast the earlier ones for the most part didn't focus too long on things like that, but here they made it a focal point of the story.

No, not much landed right for my tastes unfortunately.

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sellew wrote:

Not to be a killjoy or dampen anyone's enthusiasm or anything, but I thought that BDA's original idea (which I do agree with actually) was that it was in your first posting making a comment about the current film that you made your suggestion for what the next film should be. 

Like I say, I kinda agree with that just 'cause it means that you have to be participating in some minimal way in order to get your suggestion into the hat.  Sure, people could always just say "I thought the running time was appropriate" and then suggest something, but the idea is to enter into the spirit of the thing, which is to have a reason to 'force ourselves' to watch and think about films that we might not ordinarily see.  I'm sure everybody above is watching this week's film as we speak, but I just thought I'd make the clarification.

However, we can of course decide whatever we want.  Just my $0.02.


That does makes sense. Also less bloat, with separate posts for suggestions and talking about the movie of the week it will get a bit jumbled.