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I'm kinda with Dorkman when it comes to Stories We Tell. Exploring how we control narratives is an interesting idea, but I think we got too much of that and not enough actual narrative. Initially, the family seems blasé about the whole thing. I doubt was actually the case, but it left me feeling, "if these people don't care, why should I?" As the story moves along, it becomes clear that there are a lot of strong feelings there, but it was all so removed from what I was feeling about the story that I was kind of left unmoved by the whole thing.

People in this movie, particularly Michael, repeatedly say things that sound pretty devastating with a nonchalance that is very off putting. I find the picture the family paints of Diane rather unpleasant but unintentionally so, and her friends don't make her seem any better. The only fully positive portrait comes from Harry, who's an unapologetic defender of what he perceives as his story. But I didn't really like him, anymore than I liked Diane.

Sarah is mostly a non-entity in the film, and I don't think I would've been more interested had I been aware of who she was. Certainly most Canadian audiences would have known, but I'm with Trey in liking that she didn't trade on it.

Michael is the only reason I could make it all the way to the end.  He gets a lot of shit in this movie, and it's hard to tell how much of it is deserved. But by the end, he was the only one I was paying attention to.

As for Overnight, it didn't really leave an impact on me. I watched a couple of months ago getting ready for this episode, but at this point I can barely remember it, which is unusual for me. I didn't really find Duffy a compelling character to watch, so his total blindness to how destructively he's behaving isn't interesting to watch. He just seems like a one-note narcissist. Whether or not he made good movies is irrelevant when he's kinda boring.

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I live in a city with some of the world's best public transportation, so, no, I don't take taxis much. Everything does shut down too early, but the attitude is mostly that if you've missed your last train, then you've just got to stay out and party 'til dawn. If you must sleep, an overnight stay in a capsule or a love hotel, or even a manga cafe is way cheaper than paying taxis' late night rates.

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Bathilda wrote:

P.P.S. I'm curious what Cotterpin thinks of all this.

I meant to jump back in sooner, but I knew it was going to take a while to gather my thoughts, which meant putting it off until Sunday.  smile


First off, regarding The Little Mermaid as an anti-feminist work, I've heard this argument many, many times. I disagree heartily with the idea that it's anti-feminist and don't see it as problematic. Without straying too far into strawman territory, the primary complaint usually I usually hear is about how Ariel "gives up everything for a man," which seems to me an inaccurate and reductivist reading of the story. Personally, I think Ariel's motivations are fairly complex for a 90 minute kids' movie. For one thing, Ariel never directly says, "I'm doing this for love of Eric!" It's implied, and Ursula, Flotsam, and Jetsam use it as the primary focus of the argument to convince her, but she never echoes their point. And once she becomes human, a great deal of time is spent focused on Ariel enjoying the human world in addition to her efforts to woo Eric. There's also the fact that two women are driving the action in film in which two men are the prize, which is just brilliant.

Phi wrote:

To be fair, most Hollywood movies promote a version of romantic love that, if not quite completely toxic, is at least unrealistic.

This is a big point for me. I'm not willing to judge a story with a female protagonist by standards well above and beyond those by which I would judge a male-driven story. I mean, honestly, when was the last time you heard someone complain about the lengths to which Aladdin goes to win over Jasmine? Movies have a limited time to get you from point A to point B, and that often means a lot of tropes are employed to move the narrative along swiftly, including the idea of love at first sight. This works very well for children (I've had plenty of kids tell me that they love me by the end of a 50 minute English class), but may stretch credulity with an older audience.

Now for my part, the complaints against The Little Mermaid have largely come from other women, and I don't typically see a lot of men adopting feminist language to disparage its quality. Bathilda is so right to acknowledge that this forum really is very different when it comes to the nature and quality of the conversation. More often than not, though,  feminist issues in "mainstream" media are largely overlooked, and media for women and girls just isn't taken seriously at all.  I've long been a big fan of romance novels and the sort of paranormal young adult stuff of which Twilight is a part, and I don't remember any of this sort of talk when I was a kid. That may be because, as redxavier points out, kids often take away a different message than their parents. And as much as she hated them, my mother has never asked my why I like romance novels so much, nor bothered to read one herself.

Eddie wrote:

Like Mike, I m not fully qualified to say Twilight is anti-feminist.  I'm quite certain however, that Twilight promotes a version of romantic love that is completely toxic to all involved, and extraordinarily dangerous to both young men and women.

I never finished reading Twilight because it's a very poorly written book. But I have read a lot of poorly written paranormal romance, and I don't think it's a particularly egregious example. I actually got much farther into Twilight than I did The Da Vinci Code or that ridiculous POS Eragon. Much like claims that violent video games turn kids into murderous psychopaths, overall, I think questions of Twilight's manifest evil are greatly exaggerated. Would I prefer that a better book had gotten all of that acclaim? Hell yes! But I promise you, regardless of its dubious quality, there are very few young fans out there planning their future romantic exploits based on the scrawlings of Stephanie Meyers.

With regards to the male point-of-view in a feminist dialogue, I'd probably require a more rigorous argument from a guy, but I like to think I'm willing to listen to all perspectives. Same with race. Prove that you know your stuff, and we'll see where the conversation takes us.

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Isaac wrote:

But as a story consumed by young children, I don't like major parts of the messaging.  The takeaway of Mulan can easily be read as "normally men are soldiers, but Mulan was an exception."  The world of Mulan is one where all soldiers are men, for a while one woman was a very good soldier, but at the end we return to the status quo of all soldiers are men.

I totally respect where you're coming from, Isaac, and I've been sitting at my keyboard for several minutes now, trying to figure out exactly how I should reply. I'm probably feeling a little defensive of my second favorite Disney movie because I repeatedly have to defend my favorite Disney movie, The Little Mermaid, from accusations that it's anti-feminist.

Certainly, I agree that upsetting the status quo is a good thing, that's just not what this story is about. Mulan is the story of one exceptional person doing some exceptional things, and in my experience that almost never directly causes a change in the status quo. In fact, I think I would have greater problems with a story that implied that changing the status quo could be so easy. The little I've seen of the sequel, on the other hand, does show Mulan going on to provide an inspiration to other little girls in her village.

But the major reason I don't take issue with the character's exceptionalism is because even if not much has changed in the rest of her world, that doesn't lessen the fact that things have greatly changed for Mulan. She is the character with whom the audience (of primarily young children) is intended to identify, and I don't really find the messaging problematic in that regard.

And at the very least, I give it more credit than Brave; Mulan never apologizes to her father for defying him.

Totally agree on all the other stuff, tho, particularly the drag double standard. One of the other teachers at my school recently brought in a collection of cast off skirts and dresses for the kids to play with, and I am daily reminding them that it's perfectly okay for the boys to play dress up, too. Being the only foreigner in the room, however, makes me wonder if the kids aren't just dismissing it as "Cotterpin-sensei is so weird!" hmm

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Isaac wrote:

Mulan is not without problems.  Mulan being a warrior is the exception not the rule, they sing a song about how being a soldier is the same as being a man without much irony, and unlike in the original story, Mulan walks away from being a soldier at the end.

I'm not sure if I can agree that any of these are problems.

I can see a version of the story in which Mulan exists in a world where there were female warriors, but defying  social norms is a major theme of the movie. You'd basically have to rewrite the whole first act.

"I'll Make A Man Out of You" is pretty much a textbook example of dramatic irony. Shang sings passionately about turning his troops into "Men," but the first and most successful of them is a woman.

And Mulan's entire motivation for going to war in the first place was to save her father. There's no way the movie could've ended without resolving that through-line by having her return home.

Ewing wrote:
rockpapernukeitfromorbit wrote:

If Davos can bring him back from Skagos, maybe he will end up being the one to take back the realm of Winterfell? I'd like to think he'll end up with having something real to do with the story, but then again if everyone GRRM has created needs a character arc the last two books will be thousands of pages long.

Fair enough but Rickon has been there from like the first chapter and he's a Stark. It doesn't make sense to create that character unless you're gonna him for something. His existence has been utterly purposeless.

Well, it's not like GRRM hasn't made any missteps with this series. He's already admitted, he never should have made the Stark kids as young as he did.

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No it's not.

As I said, I couldn't read her blog post. It wouldn't load for some reason.

But, he clearly says,

Because I’ve watched this debate rage on for years, and I have yet to see an argument supported by anything other than emotion.

He then accuses her of the same thing and provides a ton of shoddy evidence to support his argument. And I say his evidence is shoddy because he qualifies it by saying that the numbers are basically bullshit and everything is based on perception anyway. So, if that's the case, why bring out the numbers in the first place? Because that makes his argument sound less emotional than hers, even though it isn't.

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johnpavlich wrote:

He's suggesting that while she may have a point or two, it's not necessarily so cut and dry, and he provides some evidence to that, discussing other Female Directors and ethnically diverse film makers as well.

I couldn't read Lexi Alexander's initial blog post, but that rebuttal is ridiculous. He gets hung up on her analogy, of all things, and wastes a lot of time playing a dubious numbers game to try and show just how inaccurate of an analogy it is. No real challenge to the argument itself. Just the analogy. Pages and pages of crap to "prove" that her analogy is wrong. Why on Earth would he do something so dumb?

Because he thinks she's being overly emotional.

*sigh*

I don't have an opinion of his opinion because his opinion is stupid. If you want me to take you seriously, you don't start off talking about how it's okay to dismiss what women and minorities have to say because they're being overly emotional. That's like the very definition of sexist bullshit.

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The expectation is that the high-status woman is going to "throw everything away" for the love of her low-status guy. Rarely do you see a movie or tv show where the man's position is elevated due to his involvement with a high-status woman unless he's depicted as sniveling, weak, or villainous. A heroic male lead isn't going to rely on the female lead's position to gain any advantages. But it's perfectly acceptable for a female lead to be won over by a high-status male and enjoy the privileges of his position.


bullet3 wrote:

I'm more bothered with this when it comes to action roles. How nice would it be to have a woman action hero having to fight to save her boyfriend instead of vice-versa? I can think of very few examples, and one of them is Pink Five

The Action Girl who comes to the rescue of her helpless male love interest is a very common trope in anime. Unfortunately, it tends to happen in shows in which the male character is the lead, and therefore the male character's needs become the primary motivator for much of her badassery. Just as likely, prioritizing his needs directly leads to her sacrificing her own goals. Unless, of course, her skills were developed specifically to meet his needs, which is also common.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

I'm not sure that it is set in the "real world." Bryan Fuller has mentioned in the past that this incarnation of Hannibal Lecter could literally be the devil in human form. Not metaphorically. LITERALLY.

If that's the case, then I have some major problems with the execution of this concept to the point where it would kill much of my enjoyment of this series.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

The show has never been grounded in reality. There's always been an element of magical realism and dream logic to the show. I think you have to let go of that to get the most out of it.


I've never thought there was any magical realism in this show, but dream logic, sure. That's part of what makes this a psychological thriller. This is a show about occupying and manipulating other people's head space. I get it, and I love it.

But it's also a procedural crime drama set in the real world; not everybody should be sleeping.

I get that this season was focused on a fantastical battle of wills between Will and Hannibal, but I wanted there to be more of a contrast between that and reality, which is what I liked about season one. That contrast gets removed in S2E4, and that's pretty much the last we ever see of it. So for me, the show just wasn't as interesting, despite the fact that it was still successful.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

ATTENTION. THE REST OF THIS FORUM, ATTENTION.

Hannibal is the best show on television, it's season finale is one of the best episodes of television I've ever seen, and I swear to god if you don't catch up with it by the time season 3 starts I will murder every one of you and create beautiful artistic tableaus of your corpses.

I just finished the finale, and overall, Hannibal has left me feeling more ambivalent. I don't dislike it, far from it, but somewhere along the way it lost me, and I just couldn't regain my early enthusiasm for it. I think S2E4 was my first stumbling block; I was really disappointed with how that episode played out.

After that episode, the procedural elements were almost non-existent, which was great because that was the one weak element of the first season. Unfortunately, for me, once the procedural stuff was cut back, the show no longer felt grounded in reality. The psychological stuff is great, and it's an amazing character study. But it started to feel like the psychological stuff and the character study were the only things the creators put their energy into; plot conveniences and contrivance made up too much of the rest of the story. On this show, it seems incredibly easy to kill people, transport their bodies unseen, and create lurid displays with their bodies without leaving any evidence.

It might just be that I'm slightly too far outside of my genre comfort zone. I'm not usually interested in these kind of thrillers. But I really enjoyed the first season and much of the second season. If I had to grade it, I might only give it a 7 / 10, but it's still strongly recommended because when it's good, it's awesome.

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I've walked back on the Kill Bill films and Cloud Atlas, and in both cases it was because of an online movie reviewer. I didn't walk them back very far, but I'm significantly less annoyed with them than I was initially.

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bullet3 wrote:

Fantastic Mr Fox was the movie that finally turned me around on Wes Anderson and made me fall in love with his style. It's one of the best animated movies in years

I can't say I've fallen in love with his style, but he certainly made it work to all of its advantages in Fantastic Mr. Fox, and I am tempted to watch Moonrise Kingdom to see if he managed to pull it off again.

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Zarban wrote:

Some people don't like Wes Anderson's arch style of writing and directing...

Count me in as one of those people, except that Fantastic Mr. Fox is one of my favorite movies. I have a lot of friends who  like Anderson, so I'd grudgingly watched all of his prior films, usually without managing to even crack a smile. I get what's supposed to be funny, but I end up hating the characters, and it ends up being a drag to get through. I only watched Fantastic Mr. Fox because is was stop-motion animation, and I went in with very low expectations. Instead, I found the whole thing delightful. Nothing's really different about it; the humor is all the same, the narrative style, and it's got the same A-list Hollywood cast, but for the first time in a Wes Anderson film, they actually seem like real people, even though, you know, they're animals.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:
Cotterpin Doozer wrote:
Teague wrote:

From what I understand, the Tomatometer percentage is simply "what percent of reviews are above a 50% grade for the film." In this case, 18% of the reviews offer the film a 50%-worthiness-or-higher rating. It's "percentage of critics who seemed to like the movie," not "quality of the movie."

I don't think it's often used that way, though, and the site lists a lot of text reviews that don't apply any sort of numerical rating system and/or are ambiguous.

Like, one of the reviewers employs a traffic signal gimmick: red, don't see it, green, definitely see it, yellow, caution. He gave Transcendence a mixed green and yellow score, but was also pretty hard on the movie in his text review. RT interpreted this as "rotten."

Well, RT doesn't interpret. The critics upload their reviews themselves, and they give them numerical scores that correspond to their personal rating system.

Oh okay, thanks.  smile
I guess I can just chalk any confusion in a review up to human error, either on my part when reading it or the reviewers when they uploaded it to the site.

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Teague wrote:

From what I understand, the Tomatometer percentage is simply "what percent of reviews are above a 50% grade for the film." In this case, 18% of the reviews offer the film a 50%-worthiness-or-higher rating. It's "percentage of critics who seemed to like the movie," not "quality of the movie."

I don't think it's often used that way, though, and the site lists a lot of text reviews that don't apply any sort of numerical rating system and/or are ambiguous.

Like, one of the reviewers employs a traffic signal gimmick: red, don't see it, green, definitely see it, yellow, caution. He gave Transcendence a mixed green and yellow score, but was also pretty hard on the movie in his text review. RT interpreted this as "rotten."

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Invid wrote:

As former Script Editor Terrance Dicks said in the introduction to the first New Adventures book, if continuity gets in the way of a good story, you throw out continuity smile

See, my problem with this idea is that it often seems to be applied both proactively and comprehensively when a creative team simply want to have free reign, and that has nothing to do with the quality of the story that's ultimately produced. Throwing out some small aspect of the continuity is acceptable as the last resort in an effort to make a good story workable. Ignoring it in its entirety is unacceptable as the first gambit of a new author with no ideas for working in an established universe. If you can't make any of your ideas work without first wiping the slate clean and starting from scratch, then you probably shouldn't be working with an existing property.

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I've found quite a few mistakes on Rotten Tomatoes: reviews that were said to be "fresh" that were actually pretty unambiguously negative, and vice-versa; so I usually end up reading a few of the reviews to see if they actually line up with what RT said of them, which, of course, completely defeats the point of having the aggregate score. In fact, reading some of the Transcendence reviews shows that a lot more of the reviewers were on the fence about the movie than that 18% score implies.

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Rob wrote:
Sam F wrote:
Herc wrote:

Have you ever been in a situation with a show where you wanna run around shouting "hey everyone! watch this, trust me, you'll love it!" but didn't know how? That's how I feel about this show.

That's how I feel about Shameless right now.

Me too. Shameless is well done. There must be a dozen main-ish characters on that show, each with their own storylines, and the show juggles it all beautifully without it seeming at all muddled.

Agreed. Shameless had a fucking brilliant fourth season. I'm always suspicious of the "dramedy" 'cause that term generally means "tonally inconsistent and confusing." Shameless did all right in the first three seasons, but from the start it's been a much more serious show than the UK version, and sometimes it just didn't gel for me. This season, they really put the focus on the drama, while still managing to be very funny, and it all came together just beautifully.

I've watched most of the UK version's 11 series, and it's such a different show that the two are hard to compare. The first two series are definitely the best. After that your mileage may vary.

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Jane Eyre - 7 / 10

This is not a bad movie, but I fall in the camp that thinks Fukunaga/Buffini didn't do enough to make this adaptation worthwhile. It is a very pretty film. The landscape looks suitably cold and bleak. They even managed to make Mia Wasikowska into a convincing Jane. The beginning is strong; a cold open with Jane dragging herself across the moors in the pouring rain before she is saved just in time by kindly strangers. But the time Jane spends at Thornfield Hall is really kinda dull. It's supposed to be an intense, suspenseful, Gothic romance, and I found it to be lacking in tension, little worth calling suspense, and a half-hearted romance. It picks up again once we hit the third act, but it's such a shame that what should be the best part is so damned boring.

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I marathoned Atttack on Titan when I was sick as well. I think I had more patience for it because of that. I agree with most of what you said, but I would hesitate to call it mediocre. There is just so much crap anime out there, and this one has an uncommon spark of life to it, despite the mains being so dull. The only one who really annoyed was our hero, Eren. The show would be a hell of a lot better if Jean were our lead instead, or any of the secondary characters, really (of the ones who haven't been eaten yet, of course).

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10 / 10

After the King's Speech discussion above, I decided to check out some other Oscar-nominated films from various categories for that year, which led me to Biutiful. I have a lot of love for this one and was genuinely surprised that it's Rotten Tomatoes score was only in the mid-60s. I was also very glad to see Javier Bardem in this movie, because I hate No Country for Old Men but really wanted to see him in something I could like. This movie feels tailor-made for me, and I enjoyed every minute of it.



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5.5 / 10

I thought about giving this one at least a 6, but that would imply that I might watch this movie again sometime, and that is highly unlikely. I thought Natalie Portman's character was really dull, and even though her life was supposed to be spiraling out of control, she never got any more interesting. I kept waiting for her to get more interesting, but it just never happened; and there were all these questions in my head that the film just wasn't interested in answering.

Because I have a lot of friends who are ballet dancers, the controversies over dance doubles and the portrayal of the ballet world proved a lot more interesting. I know that Portman worked her butt off training for this film, but the fact that she's not actually a dancer meant that the camera is always very tightly framed. It was always arm work or leg work, but rarely both, in a way that felt incredibly artificial and claustrophobic but failed to lend any menace to this supposed thriller.

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Is he stuck doing comedies? I got the feeling that he was doing pretty much anything he liked, both comedic and dramatic.

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fireproof78 wrote:
Rob wrote:

The Social Network would have gotten my vote. What killed me about The King's Speech's win is that I thought nearly every other film nominated was better. Toy Story 3--better. Winter's Bone--better. Even The Kids Are All Right, which I didn't love, I thought was better. And the kicker is that I liked The King's Speech. Saw it again recently and liked it a lot.

The Social Network was such a deft portrait of where we were and what we were as a culture in the aughts. It was so well done at every level. It's been a few years now, and you don't really hear people bringing up The King's Speech very much. People still talk about The Social Network.

This is where I must live in a different world. I could care less about Social Network yet find more application and memorable lines/moments from The King's Speech in my day to day life.

Again, that is just me. Some things hit you were you live.

And I wholeheartedly think Winter's Bone should've taken it, but only because Rabbit Hole wasn't even nominated.  Is it just me, or was 2011 a pretty good year for movies?