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This is more a comment on the Episode 1-3 commentaries, but the idea of a "Chosen One" goes back to the early drafts of Star Wars. There was a prophecy quoted at the beginning about the "Son of the Suns". Lucas just went back to that idea for the prequels.
I like the idea that by the time of ANH Yoda and Ben figure they should keep the prophecy from Luke because that last one didn't go so well wink

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Someone said in he commentary that Luke fighting Vader to avenge his father was the hero's journey and implied that Vader being his father wasn't part of the hero's journey. Well... Actually Campbell said the following regarding the step known as the "Atonement with the Father".
"The problem of the hero going to meet the father is to open his soul beyond terror to such a degree that he will be ripe to understand how the sickening and insane tragedies of this vast and ruthless cosmos are completely validated in the majesty of Being. The hero transcends life with its peculiar blind spot and for a moment rises to a glimpse of the source. He beholds the face of the father, understands – and the two are atoned."
Vader as Luke's father perfectly fits the Journey.

And Lucas didn't meet Campbell until after the Trilogy was complete.
Here is what Lucas said about Campbell's influence.
(from Campbell's authorized biography. quoted from Wiki)
"...I started doing more strenuous research on fairy tales, folklore, and mythology, and I started reading Joe's books. Before that I hadn't read any of Joe's books...It was very eerie because in reading The Hero with a Thousand Faces I began to realize that my first draft of Star Wars was following classic motifs...so I modified my next draft [of Star Wars] according to what I'd been learning about classical motifs and made it a little bit more consistent...I went on to read 'The Masks of God' and many other books"

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I am not a Lucas apologist in the least, but I find it slightly less unbelievable than I used to that Lucas had at least the thought that Vader might be Luke's father by the time they shot ANH.
In the old scripts, "Annikin" Starkiller's father was mostly machine and sacrificed himself for his son. The character that became Vader turned to the good side by the end of the script and helped the Luke character. It seems likely that Lucas combined these ideas when he made Vader part machine and got rid of the father.

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Obi-Wan said that the Jedi were the "guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic". They couldn't be that unless they were prevalent. I always saw them as being a large force.
The reason that Motti mouthed off was probably because the Jedi were supposed to have been completely wiped out by then and he figured Vader was overrated. As far as he was concerned the Stormtroopers easily took the Jedi out despite their "sorcerer ways". Han probably felt the same way. No one had seen a Force user (except Vader)  in around 18 years.
Also, The Jedi weren't an army. They mostly led the Clones as Generals and were seen in groups of two for the most part. They were more like warrior ambassadors.

And to 3pointedit. When did Luke say that the model was what his father fought in?

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"But it bothered the shit out of me that after he'd been blinded he could still 'see.'"

Really? That bothered you? If he can "see" in the matrix (they don't use their physical eyes when they are jacked in and he can see the code at the end of movie one) and can feel the squids (hinting that he is connected to the machine world), what makes it so difficult for you to believe that once he is blinded he can "see" the code? His brain is simply giving him the same sensory feedback that he was receiving in the Matrix.

"There is no indication of a remote hacking ability. And even if it could be explained by some remote hacking ability, it isn't explained by a remote hacking ability. It isn't explained at all."

You could take the Oracle's "the power of the One extends back to the source" as the explanation, albeit a "mystical" metaphor for a technical idea.

I think one of the points of the sequels was to say that things like "love", which we can see as a transcendent spiritual idea, are just words to express things that also have a technical aspect. And that things with technical aspects can be spiritual. It's part of the "Machines are not so different from us" idea. I know the overall idea was that the Matrix represents the "mind", Zion represents the "body", and the Machine World is the "spirit". At the end these have re-connected to make one unified whole.
These ideas are interesting but the brothers tried to ram them all into two sequels and made a giant mess.

This also goes into how he can be in Limbo (MOBILE ave. get it! Yeesh). If he has a wifi connection to the Machine world, his mind can stay in the Matrix without his body being jacked in.
Or he is just a Buddha and he transcended mere logic. Who needs explanations when your enlightened man!


As much as that last statement was a joke, it is possible that we are taking the technological side way too seriously. Perhaps the point (assuming there is one) is transcending the physical. The Architect did seem to be the epitome of logical assholeishness. He didn't get the transcendent nature of human beings but only saw the cold logical program side of us. Maybe the point was that we aren't supposed to know why, but only ask the questions of ourselves. Maybe the Architect IS that side of us that wants all the numbers to fall in line. He will only believe what the math tells him he can believe and will therefore never understand our true nature. The Oracle on the other hand, as the literal Yin to his Yang (see her earrings), is all about exploring our potential which is why she doesn't give any solid answers. That is why the movie ends as it does. Both sides are needed to make the unified whole and a new world is created from that unity by the young girl who is herself a seeming contradiction (a program made out of Love).
I just thought that it may have been more interesting if Neo had fallen in love with a program (or HE was a program!) and the girl was their child. That would have made more narrative sense.
And the name Trinity would have had more significance if they had a child that re-created the world.
PS. They still made two big piles of shit.

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DorkmanScott wrote:

But the problem is that you're talking about programming. That's software. Wifi requires hardware, and that's not something you're just going to pick up or become infected with because you ran afoul of an agent. It has to be installed.

I'm assuming he has hardware from the machines. I would guess that he was given special treatment from the Machines since he was the One. If he had made a different choice with the Architect this hardware might have been used to reboot the Matrix (or whatever ridiculous plot it was). I prefer the first idea over the Smith idea but the encounter with Smith could have caused a software exchange of some sort that downloaded to the hardware that he already had. Isn't it implied that they all have some sort of hardware since they can jack in?

PS I'm not very knowledgeable about computer tech so forgive me if I use the wrong terms.

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Yep, that is the painting.

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I believe they say in the film that the One's abilites extend to the machine world. That to me implies that it IS a type of wi-fi that is part of the machines' programing of him. Why? I have no idea because it was a horribly written movie.
Another possibility is that by jumping into Smith in the first movie he assimilated part of his programming. Smith says something about part of Neo being passed to him. It is conceivable that it went both ways.

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Thank you, Teague. I am full of this stuff. I have come close to writing notes while listening to some of the commentaries for comments like this, but I don't want to come off as a know-it-all. That, and I am extremely lazy wink

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Just some correction on Nebuchadnezzar.

Nebuchadnezzar's siege of Jerusalem was considered to be punishment by God for the people's idolatry. He was also driven insane by God after boasting of his achievements (there is a great Blake painting of this) and he later praised God once he was healed.

Daniel was an interpreter of his dreams after the other Magi failed and he received a high position as Chief of the Magi.

The "I dreamed a dream" of Morpheus is a partial quotation from Daniel chapter 2. He is quoting Neb. after he had a dream of a statue made of various metals. The statue represented the kingdom of Babylon and the four kingdoms that would come after it. After which God would set up His unending Kingdom with the Messiah.
There is a license plate in the movie DAN23 that is a reference to this passage. Many of the license plates have biblical references. Agent Smith drives a car, or there is one near him, that has a reference talking about a metal "smith". There was a documentary on the 10 disc set that enplanes some of them.

Morpheus probably named his ship the Neb. because he was searching for the fulfillment of his dream of the One. 

Loved the commentaries by the way.