avatar wrote:

Why do both Thorin and Gandalf agree that the Rivendell elves will try to stop the quest (and so they must lie about it e.g. academic interest only) and then when Elrond finds out, he's not that bothered.

That's classic farmer Joe.
[Some may not be familiar with this or recognise this particular label, but it's a story about a guy who's walking to his neighbour's house to borrow his plough, but on the way he wonders what if Joe's using it, or it's broken, or won't lend it to him. And so this goes around and round in his head until finally he reaches the door, knocks on it and when Joe answers he says "fuck you and fuck your plough".]

avatar wrote:

Why does Balin attempt to stop Thorin handing the map to Elrond, and then as soon as the runes are deciphered he blurts out the actual mission objective  right in front of Elrond?

Yep, I got nothing.

Congratulations to you and the lucky lady!
Do you know whether it's a boy or girl at this point?

Yeah, I confess I completely forgot about a few of the dwarves, so little did they have to do or were on screen (Oin? Bifur?) and assigning functions like the above to each of them make sense and would go some way to distinguishing them. Kili functions as their archer, and that's pretty much it. Instead, I felt they relied too much on costume, make-up and hairstyle (with increasing bizarreness as you'd expect).

Further, the ensemble would benefit from establishing groups within the party. Kili is paired with Fili, and that's great, and to a certain extent Balin, Dwalin and Thorin are a group, but I felt the others just disappeared into the background. The sheer number and variety of obstacles they come across present numerous opportunities to show the strengths and weaknesses of each of the characters, e.g., to show 2 dwarves working together to solve one problem whilst another 3 take care of something else.

Perhaps they do this quite a bit in the movie and I'm just too old to catch it all. Again, I wish this movie would just relax and slow down.

Yep, I'm going to snap at that bait - the book doesn't need fixing. The problems of the movie have little to nothing to do with the book, i.e., the beats of the story, but stem rather from a) the addition of numerous, highly improbable action scenes which stretch our suspension of disbelief, b) the replacement of nearly all enemies with unconvincing CGI and the resulting weightless of most of the fighting, and c) the padding out of the story with 'appendices' shit we really don't need to see (principally the Necromancer subplot and the White Council) which halt the pace almost as badly as the forced Arwen scenes in LOTR.

It's a shame though that they ultimately fail to capitalise on these spectacular and overly elaborate set pieces by not demonstrating and distinguishing the dwarven characters. Instead, they end up just being superficial crowd-pleasing events. There was one moment where Kili reacts to the possibility of having lost Fili (or maybe it's the other way around), but I was surprised by how little was done to make the dwarves interact with each other or show their character (other than, you know have Bombur do X because he's fat or Dwalin do Y because he's the fierce warrior) during the action scenes.

Mainly though, and this may age me, this film's action needs to slow down and stop having so much in the frame.

I love the RAF sketches and the long-running 'kill them' series is great too.

Great write-up Jimmy.

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The 'media is to blame' is easy and on the face of it reasonable but the solution mentioned at the beginning isn't really practical (is it really that these events shouldn't be covered or that the coverage should be censored?) and ironically, the argument isn't really anything more than correlation=causation.

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So Obi Wan Kenobi can understand wookie-speak. First there's the fact that he's talking with Chewie in the cantina and then he nods in response when Chewbacca makes noises after he says "who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?" Which leads me to wonder what Chewie says at that moment.

But then, given how everyone in the movie can interact with Chewbacca and no-one asks for a translation, I'm inclined to think that everyone understands the wookiee language. And I'd extend that to droid beeps as well (to cover what Trey says about him not buying that Han can understand the droid doing repairs on the Falcon in ESB).

I would, London's only a 45-minute train journey from here, but work just landed a giant shit on me.

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Eddie wrote:

The final book of SOng of Ice and Fire will reveal that Westeros is actually a poorly terraformed Mars.

SHYAMALAN!

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A thought occurred to me whilst I'm on this current Star Wars kick - overall the soundtrack for Star Wars is superior to those of ESB and ROTJ. That's not to put down the others in any way, but in terms of number of superb and memorable themes, I think Star Wars comes out on top. Granted, ESB has the Imperial March and the Han/Leia romance theme is good, and there are a few other great tracks, but whenever I start the Star Wars soundtrack I find myself easily identifying the scene playing and it readily conjures the visuals in a way that I can't seem to do with ESB and ROTJ (apart from at various very obvious bits like in ROTJ when the fleet comes out of hyperspace and approaches the Death Star) - even the trash compactor part is great.

Plus, it has the throne room track, which is just divine.

bullet3 wrote:

I actually really disagree RedXavier. Especially with the Helm's Deep battle, I always hold that up as a gold-standard of battle editing and geography. Considering how much crap is going on, I almost always have a clear idea of where all the main characters are, what the flow of battle is, where the enemies are, etc.

Oh, it works very well, right up to the point where Aragorn runs away from the wall, and then it falls apart at the end. I hate the shot of everyone running away and the uruks breaking through, for instance, since it essentially shows that Theoden killed almost all of his army by making that decision. A decision that didn't look that justified at that particular point in time.

The best argument I can think of to support my criticism of its ending is that the fate of the elves remains unclear. There are clearly a few that make it up the stairs and that are fighting inside the Hornburg. But none are shown later. Then there's also the aforementioned back route - I think it's pretty important since our heroes and the elven reinforcements are defending the Deeping Wall. As the entrance from the wall to the Hornburg isn't shown later, I come away wondering why the wall needed to be defended by our principals? There appears to be no consequence for losing the wall.

Had they shown that the gate wasn't the only attack point and that there was another major breach, that thousands of orcs were pouring through the back route up from the Deeping Wall, i.e., more than coming through the gate, then the desperate nature of the situation would have made Theoden's retreating action make sense and given the sacrifice of the elves more meaning.

This doesn't make the battle shit, it's just my complaint about its depiction.

avatar wrote:

You'll have to elaborate what you mean by geographical mismatch. I always thought they did a good job in LOTR e.g. walking left (west) to right (east) and having the right mountains/rivers where they should be (knowing the map well).

It's the geography of the scene rather than of the literal geography; the most obvious example in FOTR was when Aragorn crashes into Lurtz and they have their little battle, which takes place in a totally different part of the forest than where Boromir is - they just rolled a few feet away but Boromir etc. are nowhere to be seen in all the wide shots. It's this way because they did film the scene in a different part of the forest. I always seem to notice things like that, and sadly I noticed it again for the Hobbit.

Similarly, it wasn't very clear where certain characters are in a scene in relation to other characters, or how one cavern was linked to another. I had this complaint whilst watching Helm's Deep in TTT, where it's never made clear how the staircase from the Deeping Wall connects to the Hornburg, it sort of looks like it goes around the back. One moment Aragorn's running up it being chased by uruks and the next he's on the main battlements with Theoden. There's apparently this whole 'front' of the battle that's completely omitted. As for the Hobbit, at one point, one of the dwarves is clearly separated but then magically appears with the others later on. The most egregrious example of poor 'mis en scene' was the warg chase. The criss-crossing of the two groups was maddeningly vague and didn't make any sense at all. 

Often, all it needs is a good master to show what's happening, but so too do we need to return to that master after numerous switch arounds and movements in close ups have taken place. I've found PJ's presentation to be a bit muddled on these adaptations. It's not so much that he's a bad story-teller, but that he probably just lacks the required shot to complete the scene's flow in the editing room - or he's got a bad editor who's taken them out.

Addendum to add - and making sense of what's happening is made extra hard in the Hobbit due to the sheer amount of crap that's happening on the screen at any one time. Someone over there needed to tell Peter Jackson to take it down a notch. One goddamn staircase moving precariously and 3-4 goblin archers was enough to make a great sequence. Here, however, we have what looks like several hundred goblins and all manner of objects falling apart... and it's too much.

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I too think DKR is the best of the trilogy, by a mile. I've rarely been that entertained, nay, thrilled by a movie. Something about BB always felt off to me, and I was never enamoured with DK (possibly as a result of watching in on dvd months after all the hype), but I had no such qualms about DKR. Sure, there are some minor nitpicks but what film doesn't?

Just got back from seeing this and I really enjoyed it - I'd argue that if you were ambivalent or apathetic about LOTR then you're likely to feel the same with this one, but if you loved the extended editions then this is gold. There were some moments where I was truely awed and others still that completely surprised me.

It's not perfect, there's a song/dance routine that seems a bit out of place and there's a little too much CGI in there - orcs and goblins especially. WETA brought some superb prosthetics and make-up work to the table last time around, but here I'd say they dropped the ball.

And because CGI is being used so much more, characters perform way too much of the acrobatic heroics that Legolas was given in LOTR, which most of the time look ridiculous or fake. There's a sequence that reminded me of the Tintin movie, so improbable and fast is this chase that it becomes a cartoon (tone wise), at which point the danger of the scene becomes undermined.

Finally, geography. It's piss poor in this one. I don't mean Middle Earth, I mean the geography of the scene. This is one of the criticisms I had of LOTR as well, where either parts of a location don't flow or match well or the relationship from one part to the other isn't clear. There's one particular scene where it gets rather maddening.

All that said, those hours whizzed by and I didn't want it to finish. I think that's one of the greatest compliments you can give a film.

I always liked that one, then there's this one as well.
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And just found this!
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9wnmbM8X11rzrqo0o1_500.jpg

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Go figure, whilst I have a few personal problems with IB, I'd consider it among Tarantino's best films (with True Romance, which he only wrote). I've always felt that Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs were a bit overrated.

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That... actually looks pretty good!

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I didn't much like Planet Terror, too ridiculous and inconsistent for me. Death Proof is a much better movie and I found myself much more engaged and entranced by the story, characters, and tension.

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

I'd be more concerned if they brought him back WITHOUT realizing he was a horribly miscast actor playing a horribly underdeveloped and boring character who spent most of the time holding the stupid ball.

At least if they know about it, then they can fix it, and anyone with half a brain cell would rewrite Windu into the badass motherfucker he should be.

*sigh*

Sorry, this was precisely why a) Windu is a horrible character, and b) Jackson was micast. The words 'badass motherfucker' and 'jedi master' shouldn't ever be uttered in the same sentence. This was what Lucas and Jackson failed to see when they were making the PT and the same kind of bullshit that led to Yoda using a lightsabre and becoming 'Yo-da-man'.

Forget the corny Anakin courtship dialogue, lines like "This party's over" are what makes AOTC the worst of the prequels.

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Yup, this was a great one. Quite a few great quotes that are bound to be replayed for the anniversay show.

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Fascinating how we've got two incoming post-apocolyptic movies with big stars, but each comes across as being quite different. They look interesting, although I do think both trailers show and reveal far too much.

First up is After Earth with Will Smith.

Then Oblivion with Tom Cruise.

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If they bring back Samuel L Jackson, then I'm out. Hopefully Disney realises that he was a horribly miscast actor playing a horribly underdeveloped and boring character who spent most of the time holding the stupid ball.

I'd feel safe, but I've just seen the Clone Wars episodes where they incomprehensibly bring back Darth Maul.

Found this, brought a smile to my face. Who hasn't had a cat do this when you're on the computer at least?
http://www.starwarsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/6c1b912b-7c35-40f5-99e3-df5d932e66c9.jpg

Sorry fellas, must have been in a mood earlier. Here's something 'cool'. smile

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I was just watching a video of Mark Hamill's talk at Celebration VI (on youtube), and he said something about Yoda that I thought was very interesting - they have a shot early on which shows him putting his leg onto the trunk to get onto it before cutting back to Luke as he reacts and that this establishes for the audience the notion that he has legs and can move them around. In most of the following scenes of the movie, he walks around with his legs out of frame because, well he's a puppet. It's another great example of the 'footprint in the snow'.