776

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

Gregory Harbin wrote:

So…the serialization of men is OK because it's POSITIVE? K.

BigDamnArtist wrote:

What a charmed life you must lead. Never having anyone hold you up to a gold standard the media shoves down our throats, that no living man can even hope to match. And of course we all know that it's impossible for something like that to drive a man to have low esteem, or even gods forbid an eating disorder. Because they're stereotyped as being strong and in control, so it's impossible for a man to be weak, right? That's how this works, right? Just like all women are sexual objects only here to stared at and used?

Both of you are failing to understand the difference between idealization and sexualization. I'm not arguing that comic book men (and sure, men in the media in general, but especially in comic books) aren't idealized portrayals that skew the idea of what a man is "supposed" to look like.

But these idealized men are not, then, on top of that, reduced to shaking their money makers in every pose and panel as though that's all they exist to do. If they were, it would look more like the image on the right of the "If the Avengers posed like Black Widow" image. Which is the point that everyone seems intent on missing.

BigDamnArtist wrote:

You can sit there and be snarky and dismissive all you want

Pretty sure you're the one who responded to two links I gave to help illuminate this issue with nothing more substantial than "My god...I'm gonna walk away from this." That would be snarky and dismissive. I'm actually making an argument here and providing further clarification.

BigDamnArtist wrote:

And yes, by the guys of the Avengers being these unattainable perfections of what man should be, they are being sexualized.

No. You don't get to invent alternate definitions of words just to make your argument work. Idealization is not sexualization.

Both are sexist portrayals. But they are not equally sexist. The image is exaggerating the point, but it could work the other way -- what if Black Widow simply posed like the other Avengers? She still has breasts and is wearing skin-tight suits. Why can't she pose like the guys? Why must she be "presenting"?

EDIT: Let me try to be concise. If the men posed like the woman, they'd look ridiculous. Because she's posed ridiculously. If the woman posed like the men, she wouldn't look ridiculous. Because they are not posed ridiculously.

777

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

Random note that I might have brought up but don't remember because I was drunk and am too embarrassed to listen to it: the place I worked on the 3D conversion, one of my coworkers looked almost exactly like Loki. He got most of the Loki shots in our sequences.

778

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

BigDamnArtist wrote:

My god. You honestly believe it doesn't cut both ways.

It demonstrably doesn't. Belief doesn't enter into it. But I know it's easier to dismiss than address.

779

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

How awful it must be for us men to be broadly generalized in the culture as strong and powerful. That is exactly the same as women being broadly generalized as sexual objects for the gratification of aforementioned strong and powerful men.

Come on.

EDIT: It's worth noting, by the way, that this "Avengers poses" thing is not taking place in a vacuum. The sexist portrayal of women in the way they're forced to pose and dress was an issue raised in the larger culture before this poster came out, including articles all about explaining the difference we're discussing now.

780

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

You're right, seeing them side by side, I have to take it back: even the men on the covers of romance novels aren't as sexualized and objectified as the average comic book female.

BigDamnArtist wrote:

By your own example of romance novel covers, the men and women are very clearly displayed differently. The man is meant to be commanding, in charge, dominating. Check for the avengers. While the woman is letting a little something show, if you know what I mean. Also check.

I don't see how there is any difference.

You're right, there isn't one. The men are dominant and powerful and the women are comparatively weak sexual objects there almost solely as eye candy.

This is not the definition of a sexist portrayal, how?

781

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

Brian wrote:
Faldor wrote:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/577642_10150781251875794_210375085793_9836609_1494591300_n.jpg

Ya know, I don't get this either. Yes, Scarlett Johansson is a beautiful woman and that fact is well and prominently displayed. But there is a knee jerk feminism implied in that cartoon that's kind of ridiculous. Are we objectifying Scarlett Johansson and putting her in outfits and poses that make it easier for us to fantasize having sex with her? Yeeesss.

Are we somehow not doing that with the guys? Cause we kinda are.

As one of the people here who is actually attracted to guys, no. It's not even close to the same level. Go look at the cover of a romance novel for women, then at this poster again. THAT is sexualization and objectification of the male form, THIS is not. You're confusing the fact that there are good looking men on the poster with the idea that this means they must be innately sexualized, but the fact that they're not posing anything like Black Widow shows that's nonsense. Because if just being good looking were all that mattered, she wouldn't have to pose like that either.

782

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

Gregory Harbin wrote:

I really don't understand that image. Are we supposed to believe that the way the male Avengers are posed is completely unsexual?

The primary function of their poses are not to "look sexy." Their poses actually make some form of combat sense, as opposed to Black Widow, who is more concerned with twisting her spine to show us her butt than with actually preparing for a fight.

EDIT: Alright, their poses don't really make "combat sense" (why would Captain America put his shield above him instead of between him and the enemy?), but no, they're not actively sexualized in the same way Black Widow is, as that image is meant to demonstrate. They're at least FACING the enemy.

783

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

Yeah, after 30+ years of this shit constantly happening you'd think they'd have figured out better city-wide disaster protocols than "run around panicking."

784

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

Trey wrote:

Here's a fun thing - a real-life disaster evaluation company estimates that New York City took about 160 billion dollars of damage in Avengers.

My favorite part is the implication that every time we've seen a fictitious NYC struck with a disaster, it's been the same fictitious NYC. The fictitious New Yorkers still living there are hardcore as fuck, I'd've been out of there by '98 at the latest.

(Also explains why an inordinate percentage of FNYC's population appears to be construction workers.)

785

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

You should see CAPTAIN AMERICA and, somewhat unfortunately, THOR, as the plots of both of them tie fairly directly into the events of AVENGERS. Keep in mind that although AVENGERS doesn't have a number next to its title, it's properly considered the fourth or fifth movie in a series and therefore can't be expected to do too much hand-holding for the uninitiated.

Black Widow had no proper role in IM2, but has a more to do in AVENGERS.

786

(180 replies, posted in Episodes)

For those wondering what was going on with me, I had just finished a really difficult project, was glad to be free, drank too much, ate too little, and long story short I barely remember doing the second half of THOR or any of this recording. I hope it's more amusing than obnoxious, I'd hate to have ruined some otherwise good eps. As I said on Twitter, alcohol & I have decided to see other people for a while.

787

(24 replies, posted in Off Topic)

paulou wrote:
Dorkman wrote:

Synecdoche is one of the worst movies ever and if you liked it I will fight you.

EDIT: Except Eddie. Eddie can like it if he wants.

Pick a weapon.

TRUTH BOMBS

788

(24 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Synecdoche is one of the worst movies ever and if you liked it I will fight you.

EDIT: Except Eddie. Eddie can like it if he wants.

789

(26 replies, posted in Off Topic)

It doesn't work with stuff I already intended to see.

SO THERE

By the way, I'm totally the most pushy person I know about stuff I think others would like/should see. So I'm just a big ol' hypocrite.

/everyone go watch JACKIE BROWN right now

790

(26 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I have to be honest, I get like that too. Not so much with good reviews, but when people I know tell me specifically I have GOT to see something, after I hear that too many times there's a part of my brain that goes "Fuck you! You're not the boss of me!" It's totally stupid but it's a knee-jerk reaction I can't really do anything about. Then I'll hold off on checking something out until I know the idiot resentment towards it has passed and I can give it a fair shake.

This is, incidentally, why I have yet to watch Community or Dr. Who.

791

(26 replies, posted in Off Topic)

vidina wrote:

After "Epic Movie", I learned, the hard way, that a trailer can be ever so deceiving. The trailer made the film(IMO, gents) look funny as hell.

http://s18.postimage.org/p2yxaucqx/suspicious_dog_500x364.jpg

792

(26 replies, posted in Off Topic)

rtambree wrote:

I'm already giving $20 (Imax 3D), two hours of my time, and an open mind. After that, ask not what else I can give to the movie, but what the movie can give to me.

This, except for the IMAX 3D part. That's a big hell to the no.

793

(8 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Annual price of CS Production Premium subscription: $600

Price of upgrade from CS5.5: $375

It's a pretty sweet deal if you don't already own the CS products, but I'm just gonna get the upgrade I think. Also what Paul said.

794

(219 replies, posted in Off Topic)

RE: "I hate my voice" -- one of the most popular radio personalities in the U.S. is Ira Glass, who has one of the worst radio voices I can think of. If he can do it, anyone can.

795

(219 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Teague wrote:

It certainly doesn't, but if I added moments of me flying a jet around the Grand Canyon to Independence Day, does it make it better in some way?

I dunno, is an apple better than an orange?

796

(219 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Teague, you're talking about two different things and acting like they're the same thing.

1) Is a story necessary in a game.
2) Can you tell a story in a game without stopping the gameplay to do so.

I can agree with you on point 1, that it isn't necessary to add a story to a game. If you take away the story of Portal then it becomes very much like Mario -- you're trying to accomplish a task and not die, for fun. That it is also telling you a story as it goes is a value-add.

Obviously to point 2, you can tell a story without using cutscenes. Portal does so. Bioshock does so (except for a handful of cases). It's also worth noting that often cutscenes are setting up a situation that you then play through. Cutscenes do not necessarily remove story from the gameplay, necessarily.

If you removed the gameplay from the Portal games and just watched them, you would be watching a story. I don't understand what it is about being able to interact and try to not-die-for-fun during the story that suddenly makes it not a story, or what it is about adding a throughline to gameplay that suddenly makes it not gameplay.

797

(219 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I don't even understand the question. It works like storytelling. Things happen and they cause the next things to happen and the things eventually culminate in a final thing happening and then no more things happen.

EDIT: Well, it's like you said, it comes in drips and drabs through stuff you see in the environment and stuff you hear said to you by other characters, either directly or through recordings. It's cleverly written and much of it takes place in subtext, and at each stage once you've accomplished a goal it drives you toward another goal within the context of a plot.

798

(219 replies, posted in Off Topic)

I don't know what to do with that except to say that there are games which tell a story without any or with very few cutscenes. Portal is one, Bioshock another. So your argument would be valid if it were true, but it's not. So it's not. It's okay not to have an opinion if you don't have information.

Teague wrote:

It seems like you can have a story, and you can have a game, but you can't have both. If it's a game where the story is locked down and gonna happen the way it's gonna happen - you know, like a story - that means whatever pre-programmed activity you're doing to get to the next plot point isn't much of a game. It's just an activity.

According to this definition, nothing that can be considered a "game" has ever existed. Every game has a set outcome that you either achieve by winning or fail to achieve by losing. What's the difference if the outcome is "I didn't fall in any of the holes and defeated Bowser" (Mario) or "I ate all the pills" (Pac-Man) versus "I completed the plotline by accomplishing a similar set of tasks as I would have accomplished in a game with no plotline"?

799

(47 replies, posted in Episodes)

For the record, I'd like very much for DIF to become a profitable enterprise if it could, but nothing we've talked about trying to do to that end has ever materialized in any meaningful way. But if it meant changing the show purely to kowtow to audience demand I wouldn't be down with that. If a change we want to make anyway could work in our favor where audience share is concerned -- like the shift in format -- then that's a point in the plus column when we're considering it but not a trump card.

800

(219 replies, posted in Off Topic)

Doctor Submarine wrote:

My point is this: Story in movies is a pointless exercise. Yes, it can be done with great success. But I believe that you should focus more on making your movie fun to watch than on telling a worthwhile story.

Hello, the attitude behind why TRANSFORMERS movies keep getting made.

Obviously a game should be fun. But the idea that fun and story are mutually exclusive is nonsensical.