vidina wrote:

Jesus fucking christ, would someone for once explain me, IN WRITTEN FORM SINCE I HAVEN'T HEARD THE COMMENTARY, what's up with all the fucking hatred for Prometheus? 3 People are telling me to see it, the rest of the world, apparently, tells me not to. It looks cool! So what's the big deal that completely ruins it in all aspects?

It's badly written, badly plotted, and a completely unsatisfying prequel to the Alien franchise. All the ideas that are set up are NOT paid off. And if you like science, Prometheus is particularly offensive. It's the worst portrayal of scientists in action for a long time.
But it looks good (particularly the landing sequence), the 3D is a triumph, and it made a fair whack at the box office.
If you don't care about bad science, then it may not offend. Some people don't mind it.

Marty J wrote:

I found Men In Black III, American Reunion and The Hunger Games pretty entertaining, but not mind-blowing.

Yes, agreed, and that's how I'd describe the line-up for 2013 too.

Yes, I also forgot Avengers which tells you something, but yes, it was entertaining at the time.

I wonder how much psychology is at play here: the expectations with regard to Avengers were low, but it was better than any of us thought it had a right to be, so it's labelled success, but with TDKR we're expecting another The Dark Knight, and it didn't meet those expectations and so were slightly disappointed. Ditto for The Hobbit.

One thing I learned this year is to take 10-20 points off Rotten Tomatoes. My tastes used to be in tune with it throughout much of the decade, but when Prometheus gets near 80% upon first release and Skyfall gets over 90%, that rating system is unreliable.

So at the beginning of 2012, we were all anticipating a ripper (that's an Aussie term) year in movies. There was much to look forward to: Prometheus, John Carter, Dark Knight Rises, and The Hobbit.

And now in hindsight, it feels slightly anti-climactic.

Prometheus was THE clusterfuck of the year, the worst disappointment since Phantom Menace. As Hitler said in the Downfall parody of it: announce the franchise dead, after Ridley Scott does a George Lucas.

John Carter - a giant bomb that was yawn inducing at best. Kitsch followed it up with another bomb, Battleship.

Dark Knight Rises - much more flawed than what we were expecting from Boy Wonder Nolan.

The Hobbit - has Jackson peaked, just like Nolan and Scott?

In summary, the high-water mark of these franchises can't be achieved again: The Dark Knight, Return of the King, Alien + Aliens, so we're naive to expect lightning to be captured twice.

There there's the non-tentpoles: Looper, Dredd, Total Recall, Hunger Games, Brave etc. Some were okay, but nothing earth-shattering, and most forgettable even if they achieved two hours' worth of entertainment.

I suppose the biggest news in film of the year was the Disney buyout of Lucas. But my expectations are dialled way down. Ditto for GI Joe Retaliation, Man of Steel, World War Z, Oblivion, Avatar 2, Lone Ranger, and Pacific Rim in 2013/14.

Is two hours of entertainment the new 'success benchmark' rather than something that gets under your skin,  inspires, keeps you talking/thinking, and is infinitely rewatchable?

What was the last 'Perfect Movie' in the sense of a Back to the Future, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Aliens, Star Wars?

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The pitch meeting would have been half a sentence.

Can't be worse than Battleship. But isn't GDT slumming it.

Was there a lost commentary for Peter Jackson's King Kong, or am I misremembering?

Trey wrote:

Well, I saw Hobbit a different way - on DVD, just now.   So I have no comment on HFR vs 24p, etc.   

But I will say that the first half was really worrisome - in fact I paused it at one point to do the dishes, which pretty much sums up my feelings about it.   But once they got to Rivendell things picked up, and everything after that was fun.

So it's not "Lord of the Rings: Episode One", it's nowhere near that bad or disappointing (for that first hour I thought it might be).   But someday I'd like to see a Special Edition with about 40 minutes cut out.  smile

It's hard for film-makers isn't it. If there's no talking, and just 'action', that can get boring too. I guess both exposition and action depend on how well they're written and directed. The dwarves finally make it out of the mines after an interminable action sequence and then immediately the Orcs begin chasing them for another action fight sequence before Deus Ex Airways save the day.

My favourite fight sequence is where the dwarves just swat off dozens of goblins with a giant stick. Saves time having to do the usual 'two parries and a thrust' for each individual one which gets dull real fast.

Sam F wrote:

I will say that I agree with avatar for the most part. Yes, the dwarves were pretty ridiculously invincible, however so were Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas, weren't they?

Firstly, Boromir kicks it in the first movie. Gandalf only makes it half way.

Secondly, the Dwarves in The Hobbit are entirely CG for many of the action set pieces. So they're being thrown around in a cartoonish way by Trolls, Orcs and Goblins a lot more. That wasn't the case for Fellowship were it was 99% live action shooting so the characters weren't doing as many unrealistic things from a physics point of view.

Some more comments... [Spoilers]:

Gandalf keeps disappearing and re-appearing to save the day. What's he doing? Scoring more pipeweed?

Gandalf has a bad case of dementia in respect to his powers. Sometimes he can clear out a cavern with his +10 Force Staff, and other times he's a feeble old man. Recharging the staff takes time.

The dwarves carry different weapons but I didn't get a sense of them specializing - perhaps that's still to come. One dwarf had a sling-shot, another had a bow, the rest had clubs and swords. There were no A-Team scenes i.e. this obstacle is a job for this character, and now we need this character's skills, etc.

Fortunately they resisted the temptation to have wall-to-wall belching & farting jokes.

Galadriel does a Batman - disappears when someone looks away. No log-out etiquette.

The 'Thorin disapproving of Bilbo' plot element was clumsily executed. As was the editing with Bilbo's decision to rejoin the dwarves after sparing Gollum's life.

The dwarves riding the wooden platform down the crevice was getting dangerously into Pixar/Disney territory. Whatever. Definitely a tone-shift compared with LOTR.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-ho … lbo,30727/

I saw it on Wednesday at 48fps - yes, very 'TV' kinda look. Also, prefer to see 3D on IMAX to counter the shrinking effect you get with 3D, but the IMAX here isn't showing it in 48fps.

As for the story itself, 13 invincible dwarves run from west to east and brush off everything that's thrown at them. Some first impressions (but yet to see it on IMAX at 24fps)...

Pros: It's good to enter Middle Earth again. The Riddles in the Dark scene was great. The VFX were superb. Some score cues were okay, especially Misty Mountains song from the trailer. Lots of eye candy - every sunrise/sunset was majestic. Every mountain vista a wallpaper. Photo-real CG. No obvious compositing.
Cons: Action scenes too long, too many, and with no tension. Too many 'set pieces' i.e. dwarves throwing each other weapons and donking enemies at the same time to follow what's happening properly. Not sure if Martin Freeman has the acting chops to pull of the contrived character arc. Some weird editing choices at times. The movie still only covers a fragment of a story. With extended editions, this is going to be stretched to 9 hours! Rivendell scene abruptly ends. A lot of use of CG and sets rather than location shooting and real actors. All the baddies speak Cockney.

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Zarban wrote:
avatar wrote:

That Ford on the right is hardly an exemplar of innovation.

Basically anything electronic has progressed dramatically from 1970s - present.
Anything to do with physical transport has stagnated during the same period

Since everything the right is a luxury item, replace the Ford with the Tesla Model S, the first really practical EV. Seats 5 with two trunks; 265 miles of  range; recharges in 1 hr at a Tesla Super Charger or 3 hrs at home; costs $80K; accelerates like a super car.

Bonus: Like SpaceX, Tesla is also an Elon Musk joint.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/09/2012-tesla-model-s-fd.jpg

Yep - just need to get it down to $20K and common people will start buying (rather than the eccentric rich). Bring on the EVs and self-driving cars and hypersonic jets, etc. What I'm sick of is hearing how it's just around the corner (for decades now) or even worse, always "20 years away" (like fusion) or worse still, regressed (e.g. Concorde/Shuttle/Apollo is something we had then lost).

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

*cough*
http://ut-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/IMG_3188a_SpaceX-Falcon_Ken-Kremer.jpg
*cough*

Just saying.

Or you could go the more cynical route of:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/16/article-2174106-1413902A000005DC-931_634x431.jpg
(That's the Russian rocket Soyuz TMA-05M that NASA is buying flights on to get astronauts up to the ISS)

Okay, so a rocket has moved from public domain to the private doman. But it's hardly an example of innovation, in the sense that it can carry more payload than Apollo or deliver a sample return mission to Mars or probes to Titan, Venus, Enceladus, Europa, etc.
Sure, now commercial satellites can be delivered privately into low-Earth orbit. That's good. It's about time NASA got out of the "space-truck'n" business. But it's hardly 'going forward' for humanity. Meanwhile Obama has cut NASA's planetary exploration budget by 20%

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Lamer wrote:

http://i.imgur.com/YbZLh.jpg

sad

That Ford on the right is hardly an exemplar of innovation.

The automobile internal combustion engine, invented in the 1890s, is still standard. They've been working on electric cars for decades but they didn't haven't achieved critical take-off in the marketplace, so to speak.

Basically anything electronic has progressed dramatically from 1970s - present.
Anything to do with physical transport has stagnated during the same period

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I remember Trey's advice from The Abyss commentary: if working with James Cameron, let him make a minor adjustment to whatever you're working on, so that he now 'owns' it and so can no longer chew you out over it. Cameron only hires you because he can't physically do everything himself, as much as he'd like to.

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Yep - it was all new a couple of years ago, now the jokes are rehashed. And the conclusion is something we already knew, so no new insights other than the many shot-for-shot 'homages' to previous Titanic movies. Props for the massive editing job to cut that all together.

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http://redlettermedia.com/mr-plinkett-review-titanic/

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

The only thing that disappointed me about that trailer was that it featured yet another use of the Inception BRMMMMMMMMMMM. It's in like every trailer nowadays. So boring.

I'm telling you, it's the Singularity, man. According to my calculations, if you extrapolate all this convergence forwards, the big Movie-ocalypse where every trailer, plot, character, and set piece becomes completely interchangeable and indistinguishable will occur on the 14th May 2018. You heard it here first.

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Dorkman wrote:

We are bad at this whole "topics" thing.

Looks like it, but where's the moderator to whip us into line? C'mon - give it to us.
But meanwhile thanks for the Bond meta-movie - I'll see if it's watchable.

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bullet3 wrote:

I want someone to make a hybrid trailer of the Avengers, Dark Knight, Skyfall, Iron Man 3, and this one, to show how they all look to have the exact same story-line.

That's a film studies assignment. You'd need some editing software and in about four weeks you could convert 'TV Tropes' into a Red Letter Media style of popular analysis for Youtube. I'm surprised no one has done it yet. Here's 100 villains and their motivations, here's 100 chase sequences, here's 100 one-on-one finale fist fights, here's 100 climactic explosions, etc. You'd lay the whole cookie-cutter assembly line template bare.
You could even set up a 'Tentpole Plot Generator' website that inserts random words like 'reactor', 'bomb', 'core', 'black hole' into the relevant section.

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Dorkman wrote:

...it's still wrong, it's still there, and the only reason the progress you mention has been made in the last 50 years is because people on the side of equality angrily demanded it. It would be foolish to take the pressure off, especially when such a wave of pushback has risen up in the last decade or so.

Listen to Dorkman. Compare ourselves with 100 years ago and we look enlightened (at the risk of complacency), but compare ourselves with 100 years in the future (what could be) and we look like barbarians. And it's true, we can regress. Between 1920 and 1980, inequality fell, but then started rising again so that most of the 20th century's gains were wiped out, and now we're just about back to the levels of a century ago.

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Australia and California - kickass weather.

Mars and London are jockeying for position to see which one is warmer... some days it's Mars

https://twitter.com/MarsWxReport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743

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Invid wrote:
redxavier wrote:

It's certainly a teaser! I'm quite impressed that they managed to show me all this footage and restrain themselves from revealing any of the story

Why do I suspect that they actually gave away the entire story?

We all already know the story even before the trailer. It's a tentpole. Which means the story is... villain wants to fuck shit up, there are early scenes where he fucks shit up to show he's serious, heroes chase villain to the final show-down, there's a punch-up during a count-down, and with seconds to spare, the heroes win the day, roll credits. This accounts for the majority of tentpoles now.

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Zarban wrote:

Didn't we just have a whole Star Trek movie about some dude trying to wreak havoc in the name of vengeance? WHY NOT MAKE THEM STEAL A WHALE, JJ ABRAMS?

Ditto for Skyfall and Dark Knight Rises

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It's the movie singularity. Given long enough, every franchise ends up converging to the same 'plosions, chas'n with guns, WWF punch-up, action schlockfests template.

redxavier wrote:

I hope to see it as 'normally' as possible. But on a side note, I can't believe we're here already, the release of the film a mere week away. Seems like only the other day this was mirred in legal action hell.

It's been over 13 years since production started on Lord of the Rings. A decade between instalments is quite a long time. If there was no MGM legal hell, we could have seen all three Hobbit films by now and be greenlighting the Silmarillion or some other spin-off.