I like where this thread is going. No flame wars in our future here, no sir.
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I like where this thread is going. No flame wars in our future here, no sir.
Alright, let me answer this a bit more concisely. I don't care.
That's all there is to it. I. Don't. Care. A movie could have all the internal logic in the world and it wouldn't make a difference to me if it wasn't entertaining to watch. Nitpicking flaws in the story doesn't make me happy, and it's not why I watch movies. If a story genuinely has flaws that break it completely, then yeah, I'll point that out. But if the movie is fine EXCEPT that there's a better way it could have done something, well, that's a bullshit approach to criticism. Take a movie on its own terms.
I know I diverge from 99% of the people on this forum on this issue, and I'm comfortable with that. Just thought I should make it clear where I'm coming from in these discussions.
It's been a while since you guys did a really bad movie. I miss hearing you guys tearing into a real dog of a movie.
Doesn't Iron Man 3 have like an 80% on Rotten Tomatoes? And compared to Into Darkness, it was really well-received. I only ever saw negative reactions on this forum.
Oh boy, here we go.
Yes, they say the blood is toxic but it doesn't come up again, we don't see how toxic it is and what effects it has on people. We just get a brief glimpse that looks like an oil spill. Later Pearlman says that other parts of their corpses are beneficial, so it's not even internally consistent. It's not like it's acidic and melts people.
We don't need a scene showing kaiju blood being toxic because they told us in the exposition-heavy prologue that it is. Showing is better than telling, but if you've already told then showing is redundant. Also, Idris Elba says that Perlman's team neutralizes the toxicity before going in for the remains. Not entirely justified, but not without logic.
Further, the logic of not using offensive weapons to kill the kaiju makes zero sense if the Jaeger loses the fight and the kaiju has free rein to destroy the city and kill essentially everyone. One would assume that most people would go underground, and you'd have clean up crews to prevent major damage from some blood... certainly the damage to the city would be a hell of a lot less than the destruction wrought by throwing the beast around into buildings.
The beast is there to destroy the buildings anyway, so damaging them in a fight to kill it isn't ridiculous at all. What, is the kaiju just supposed to rampage around the city and go home?
And again, why are they being fought in populated areas at all? They clearly have a very effective detection and tracking system in place, yet they can't intercept any of them before they hit the cities?
Charlie Day says pretty early on that the kaiju's plan is to attack the populated areas and take out the "vermin." That line was in the trailers, for god's sake. And we do see them take on a kaiju before it gets to a city in the first scene of the movie. Idris Elba specifically says that their primary priority is to protect the city. And he says it AGAIN before the Hong Kong fight.
That's one of the main problems with the film, it portrays humans as stupid, both at the strategic and tactical levels. Same thing with the walls, how anyone could have thought that was going to work is baffling given what the film shows. Why weren't coastal defences set up with plasma cannon emplacements, sort of like a modern Maginot Line? Why wasn't there an high altitude airforce equipped with the powerful missiles? Why wasn't there a laser/missile platform in orbit?
If the world was truly as fleshed out as you say, all these issues would have been addressed in the story. Instead, human beings ignore the flaws of the Jaeger approach (one bright crew thinks that throwing a creature into water will do something to it!), and build a bloody wall.
The wall thing is stupid in every way. But that's how the movie presents it. It's a decision made by high-level bureaucrats who are dumb and don't understand the kaiju as well as our heroes. And maybe the wall would have worked if it weren't for the fact that kaiju are getting bigger and more powerful. It's like saying that it's dumb that Weyland-Yutani would want to capture an alien and bring it back to study it.
And why weren't there all those weapons? Because this is a movie about giant robots, and the movie where humans efficiently and effectively deal with the kaiju perfectly and without any problems would be boring.
Also, why didn't Gipsy have a sword at the begining? Why didn't they lead with the arm cannon in that fight?
It's the equivalent of coming up with an ultimate weapon to fight zombies, and it's a boxing glove.
Because at that point no one had thought of adding a sword. For the same reasons that the original iPhone didn't come with a front-facing camera. It took someone specifically thinking of that addition for it to be added. Simple as that. And the obvious answer to all of these questions about which weapons they use and when is that they want to defeat the kaiju with blunt force trauma if they can so as not to pollute the water with their toxic blood.
In the opening scene, Gipsy Danger didn't have a sword yet. Mako added it in her restoration. And they do say specifically that Kaiju blood is toxic. It's in like the first 5 minutes of the movie. To call this movie as bad as Prometheus means that you really didn't get what they were going for with Pacific Rim. It's a very fleshed-out world, and if you pay attention you catch this stuff.
What a disappointing experience. Moments of awesome wrapped in a poorly reasoned mess of a story.
I honestly can't remember ever questioning the events and motivations of a film so much. The central problem of the story is that the reason for the Jaegers' existence hasn't really been thought out. So we have repetitive battles, with robots ineffectually punching or throwing around monsters for long stretches, only to pull out a sword at the end or shooting missiles or a plasma cannon that could have been better delivered by other means. And the world around everything's so poorly set and developed, we're apparently led to believe that walls were the better alternative? If you can't build a tank to stand up to an attack, a wall built with essentially the same materials isn't going to do shit either.
It wouldn't be such a problem if they hung a lantern on the ridiculousness of how badly the Jaegers approached the fighting... like in Iron Man 2. "Next time, lead with that!" But that half of the movie seems to take itself too seriously (the Ron Pearlman half is of an entirely different tone).
Thus one of the main plots of the story, the kaiju adapting, is demonstrated really poorly. Why not simply show an arms race developing over the course of the war, with increasingly destructive weapons being employed by the Jaegers against the larger kaijus coming through, weapons that ultimately mean harming our own planet in the long run? Instead, the Jaegers are boxers and wrestlers, the equivalent of a tank trying to run over its opponents instead of firing its main gun. And they don't appear to change at all over the course of the war, other than going digital. What makes a Mark 5 so much better? It falls over once in water and half of its systems fail!
The kaijus have toxic blood. That's why they don't pull out the swords/cannons unless they have to, ESPECIALLY when the fight is in a populated area. This is clearly established and not a flaw. And we aren't led to believe that walls are the better alternative. Walls are, again, CLEARLY established to be a terrible method of control. People don't give this movie nearly enough credit for its story.
This movie might be one my father was referring to when he told me about his main beef with "horror" films: why do they only show Satan/evil is real, and not God? It pissed him off, non-religious person that he otherwise was, that the movies only showed one side. You almost never saw God actually step in and help, or prayers actually work as they're supposed to.
Because when they tried that, we got Legion.
Captain Richard Phillips won't be mistaken by anyone for an action hero. With his large-framed glasses and pudgy figure, he's the last person you'd expect to do battle with dangerous pirates. And perhaps the greatest miracle of Paul Greengrass's Captain Phillips is that he doesn't. How easy would it have been to turn this mild-mannered man and have him use his wits to turn the tables on his captors? It's a story that's been filmed a thousand times before. But not here. Captain Phillips is a resourceful man, and he manages to trick the pirates who board his ship on more than one occasion. But he's just a man. He's not a superhero, and the movie has no interest in presenting him as such. Tom Hanks, in one of his best recent performances, never plays him as anything more or less than what he is. He's smart, yes, but he's just as much a victim of his emotions as the pirates who take him prisoner. And as tensions get high, there's no telling who will be the first to snap.
As much praise as Hanks is getting for his performance, the real stars of the show are the pirates, all non-actors pulled from the same suburb. Barkhad Abdi as Muse, the pirate's captain, is the perfect picture of desperation. His confident facade never openly shatters, but you can see the cracks start to show as the film goes on. It's a remarkably understated performance. Also of note is Faysal Ahmed as Najee, a violent loose-cannon who is the source of much of the final act's tension.
Between this and Gravity, going to the movies is quite an ordeal this weekend. Anyone got any Xanax?
(also posted on letterboxd.)
That's all true. Maybe if the UK Office had run for 100 episodes it would have done something as good as "Dinner Party" or "Scott's Tots" or "Broke" or "Safety Training." But it didn't. So the US version will always have two dozen or so all-time classic episodes that the UK version doesn't.
I liked Sandra in this more than I have in...well, ever. I thought she was pretty mediocre in The Blind Side.
Pretty sure I've said this somewhere before, but whatevs. The UK version of The Office is not a good show. It's just not funny. The US version lost a lot of steam by the end, but at its peak it was heads and shoulders above its predecessor.
I have it rented from iTunes. I liked the trailer and I heard good things about it. I'm excited to watch it
Y'all should check this site out. It's basically a social networking site built around movie reviews. I've been having a ton of fun, and I know that Jimmy B and Zarban are on there already. letterboxd.com
Watched Charlie Wilson's War a few days ago. Could have been tighter, and Sorkin annoyingly lets out his preachy side a teeny bit. Still, it's a funny and informative film. Wish they had made a clearer connection to the war on terror at the end of the film.
Much Ado About Nothing is a lot of fun. The performances aren't of the quality that we've come to expect from Shakespeare adaptations. It seems more like a bunch of friends playing around. Which, of course, is exactly what it is, so yeah. Worth watching.
Death Proof is a thousand times better than Planet Terror.
Here's one: Marvel Studios is doing one of the most revolutionary things in film history, and no one's paying attention because they're comic book movies. There has NEVER been a franchise like the Avengers.
Ti West is an awful, awful filmmaker who has no idea how to make a good horror movie (and never has.) His fans mistake "tension-building" for tedious narratives that have no build whatsoever. He's never made anything worth watching.
I really enjoyed episode 3 more than the first two for some reason. I found it to be more fun and we actually got character development.
Yup, same here. The show is falling into its groove.
Also, it got a full-season order today.
Nope, 2012. They played a full trailer at Comic-Con this year.
Man this looks cool. I guess they played this originally at Comic-Con 2012, so it's more of a "tone poem" than a proper trailer.
Totally forgot about Elysium. That might get the Iron Man spot.
This Is The End has a GREAT homage to the devil-rape dream. Some shots are copie exactly. Except it'S Jonah Hill instead of Rosemary. He even delivers the "This is no dream!" alone verbatim.
Gravity is the surest lock on the planet for a nomination. I can't imagine anything else winning. Here's what I'm guessing the other nominees will be:
- Desolation of Smaug (Seems like the most obvious non-Gravity choice. That big ol' dragon alone will get it a nom.)
- Iron Man 3 (How many Marvel movies HAVEN'T gotten a nomination here?)
- Pacific Rim (This is the only big-robot-destruction movie this year, and those almost always get nominated.)
- The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (This takes the Life of Pi/Benjamin Button slot. More traditional Academy favorites that happen to have fantasy elements that allow for great effects.)
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