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Teague -

What money is stolen? Show it to me. After a copy is made no one is any worse off than they were before the copy was made.

The claim that every copy is a lost sale is a slightly weaker version of this fallacy, and makes the case that everyone who makes a copy of something would have paid for it had they not had the ability to make a copy, but the problem is that this is quite obviously false. The number of people who would watch something for $15 is a lot smaller than the number of people who would watch it for free. Clearly as you increase the price, the number of people interested drops off. Plainly every copy made is not the removal of some notional purchase.

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Trey - your analogy is a little baffling. Cars are physical objects. If I steal a car, then someone else doesn't have it any more. Making a digital copy is not like that at all - if someone makes a digital copy of something, they have it, and so do you. Nothing is stolen.

There certainly seems to be a lot of nostalgia for the days when copying an idea (the contents of a book, the arrangement of bits in an mp3, or the arrangement of pixels in a movie) was synonymous with creating a physical object (a book, an LP, or a VHS tape), but that isn't the case any more.

As to whether anyone would make a media project and make it available for free, there is a vast amount of material licensed and released like that. Take a look at www.sitasingstheblues.com for an example. The free software movement, creative commons licensed music etc etc.

As for organizations that make their money this way, NPR is an obvious example of an organization that makes its money like this. In fact, it's hard to find an industry that produces digital goods that works the way you suggest that isn't heading for bankruptcy.

The bottom line is that the choice is not between wether or not to make it available for free, but between whether or not to make the paid option more difficult to use and get than the free one.

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Aha - you misunderstand me for comic effect! I do think the idea of making it difficult for people to see you movie through your channels unless they give you money is from the 1800s. If the paid version is more difficult to use than the free one, well, we know where that leads...

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I guess it depends what your goals are. Getting the thing watched by a significant number of people is one potential goal, getting it accepted into a very narrow distribution channel that might provide some monetization is another. Frankly though, these things are kind of 19th century - the people who will pay for this will pay for it regardless of whether they can see it for free, and the people who won't pay for it will see it free regardless of whether you or someone else put it on bt. You're better off uploading it to bt and asking for donations.

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That's the same dynamic that has been happening (slowly) in music - the fact that the cost of production has really fallen to the point where you don't need a professional recording studio means anyone can cut an album now. The same trend is happening in film, although obviously even more slowly.
Distribution has been a big problem, but now that anyone can put their movie on bit torrent the only obstacle is advertising. As soon as you get a torrent up you can start really promoting this.

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"Backyard Blockbusters is, at time of release, not available anywhere [useful]."

Great. Get back to us when it's available to see.

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fireproof78 wrote:

So, if I am to read you right, you say that each fan must make up their own mind?

Well, that's exactly what Luther was suggesting really. In the end there can be no Pope, commercial interests that conflicted with spiritual purity ultimately undermined Papal authority in Europe, leading Protestants to conclude that every fan, as you say, must make up their own mind.

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Fireproof -

I can respect that you believe in the apostolic nature of the Star Wars Papacy, the idea that Lucas ascends to the Holy See, passing the role of Pope on to whoever buys the franchise, but I find the idea repugnant.
Like Luther nailing his protest to the church door we need to reject this claim of authority, instead proposing that each of us has an unmediated relationship with the material, and can accept or reject whatever we like as canon. We need a Star Wars Reformation movement.

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I don't disagree, but most of the time I spend with video editing apps isn't opening them. It does speed things up, but not things where the processor is the bottleneck.

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Sam F wrote:

Yeah I put an SSD in my MacBook Pro. Major speed difference.

I did the same, and yes, there is a major speed difference for some things. Obviously it makes disk access much faster, which makes program, data, and paging a lot faster. Of course it doesn't actually speed the machine up - tasks don't go faster, except to the extent the depend on disk access - so video editing or anything else (except as above) will not gain much.

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fireproof78 wrote:

You make an interesting analogy and your point is well said.

Civil discourse on the internet? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.

fireproof78 wrote:

It may be that GL is no longer the Pope of Star Wars (insert random Space Pope joke here) but that does not change his view on canon, that to him, the movies and what he does are it, but the EU and other books are there and that's great, but they do not affect him.

I agree, but the question is whether we imbue his view with any special significance.

fireproof78 wrote:

In all honesty, if GL were writing the sequels to the OT Luke would not be married, the Emperor doesn't come back and much of what happens in many beloved books is simply going to be in books. That's not my words-it was from an interview GL did.

Again the issue is whether we think GL's view matters.

fireproof78 wrote:

So, while SW canon is subjective for the fans, the material used for movies is up to Lucasfilm. They are not bound by EU at all.

Well, what's at stake here is intellectual property laws. LF own the rights to the IP, and so have the ability to make more of it. Barring fan films and obscure jurisdictions that don't recognize US IP laws, they have a monopoly for as long as Disney can continue to buy Congress. That's not quite the same as the ability to decide what is Canon.

fireproof78 wrote:

To further your church analogy a little bit, while Protestants do not recognize the same canon as Catholics or the authority of the Pope, most Protestant denominations have a common thread of "sola Scriptura" scripture alone as their canon. There are disagreements about some traditions and other interpretations, but the authority  of canon is usually consistent.

If I may, I'm not sure that 'sola sciptura' refers to the idea of only scripture being canon, so much as the idea that scripture contains everything that you need to know for salvation. There are groups who subscribe to 'sola scripture' who have different scriptures.
Regardless, the issue is not so much whether they have different canons, but their view of how canon is defined. Is it defined by authority, or by individual conscience?

fireproof78 wrote:

So, I regard the OT and PT as "canon" with other things being up for interpretation and Lucasfilm being able to decide what ultimately is movie material.

Again the important question is not what you believe , so much as why you believe it. I presume you believe that the six are canon because GL says they are? Does that mean that whoever owns LF can decide to change that in the future, or does GL remain the Pope of Star Wars? If the Papacy follows the money, what if LF doesn't even recognize the concept of canon, or if they declare the Ewok Movie and the Christmas Special canon?

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fireproof78 wrote:

Yeah, I may be an overly optimistic guy (maybe) but my point was i GL's mind, his movies were the canon, then the EU was part of another canon, and he called it an alternate universe. So, his perspective was that movies were essentially his canon-so, the owner of the franchise, in my opinion (feel free to disagree smile ) can declare it canon. That's my take and perhaps I am wrong.

I see that you're taking the view that canon flows from authority, and that you invest GL with a certain level of authority based on his role in the franchise. I think this is very similar to the situation that you see in the religious community (which is of course the origin of the word), where some people invest the Pope, or some other religious leader or group, with the authority to define which texts are canonical. Obviously there is a lot of disagreement with that, especially within the protestant church, where the ability of a structure or individual to make decisions on behalf of the community is much more controversial.

I think I take the view of some of the more progressive protestant churches that what material is canon is a matter of conscience for the individual. It's not something that an authority figure can dictate. Furthermore, I think it it's possible for an authority figure to loose the moral right to exert authority. I would be more inclined to allow GL a role as Pope of Star Wars if he had shown more commitment to the values and principles that informed the OT.

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Dorkman wrote:

Presumably they're setting it based on the outlines George provided. Which, fine. The problem with him was execution more than concept.

I take it you haven't seen the prequels?

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fireproof78 wrote:
TheGreg wrote:

Hmm. Maybe. I'm not really aware of anything other than the three movies, and I guess in my mind the decision is whether to try to add another three to the real three, or more junk to the EU.

fireproof78 wrote:

But it wouldn't be EU, as it would be canon, since Disney can declare it so. How the fans accept it, or don't, really won't affect the brass at the top anymore than it affected Lucas' overall approach to the prequels.

I don't see why you think Disney has any more ability to declare it canon than any other random bum on the street. I mean, Lucas has been rambling for years about there being more to the canon than three movies, and that's clearly bullshit.

fireproof78 wrote:

Now, and not to sound overly optimistic, there is the real possibility that someone, who is a fan, will step in with more respect to the OT.
Merchandising will never be the problem-never was for Star Wars, and never was for Disney, so obviously the combined two is a powerhouse.

I'm not sure I share your optimism, but, hey, we can hope.

fireproof78 wrote:

I disagree that we can expect more Ewoks too. Look at the "Clone Wars" cartoon. Even if you don't watch it, the marketing has carried forward with the same impact as the movies, without delving in to the same child appeal as Ewoks.

I'll check it out.

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Hmm. Maybe. I'm not really aware of anything other than the three movies, and I guess in my mind the decision is whether to try to add another three to the real three, or more junk to the EU.

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Dorkman wrote:

EDIT: Also, not mentioned in this thread yet, George is going to be donating the majority (or possibly all -- conflicting reports) of the $4bil to charity and education. So I guess we're not allowed to be mad about the prequels anymore.

While I like the idea of community service as an alternative to prison time for non-violent offenders, this smacks of buying off the justice system. He should be sentenced formally, then a judge can decide whether donating 4bn to education is a suitable alternative to jail time.

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Invid wrote:

Trek was never good at selling toys smile

Actually, now that I think about it, given how merchandized Star Wars already is, if anything that aspect can be discounted. The toys WILL sell, regardless, at least to start. Given that, they'll actually have remarkable freedom.

Indeed - I was referring the distinctly uneven trajectory of ST quality, not their skill at merchandizing. My concern is that 4bn is a lot to pay. Certainly Lucas invented the modern science of merchandizing, and the later Star Wars properties are, at least in part, driven by the need to generate toys that can be sold. Expect more Ewoks, is my point.

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BBQ wrote:

The more I think about it, the more I come down on the side of two choices:

Option 1: Make a full-bore epic trilogy to lay the foundation of what I've decided I will call Star Wars: The Next Generation (SW:TNG). That gives you 3 movies to lay everything out and build from, wiping the prequels and the ill will towards them off the map. If you do this -- Peter Jackson.

Option 2: Jump right into the Bond-style movie every couple of years plan. Brad Bird or Gore Verbinski could easily pull off a movie that could be very good without trying to do "everything" in 120 mins.

Chatting with Brian, he also tossed out another name (for option 2) that could be interesting...Darren Aronofsky. He was inches away from directing a Wolverine movie, so it's not like he's unwilling (or unable) to stray from the art house. He clearly has the talent for characters and an eye for visuals. I'd put him right behind Bird & Verbinski, if only because they both have more established records for what I think Disney will be looking for.

All told, I'm not coming down on either side (terrible or great) because we won't have anything to even base positivity/negativity on for several months. Admittedly, it's tough to imagine it getting "worse" than the prequels, but how many times have we been burned by that thought before?

For now, my state is "Cautiously Hopeful".

You forgot 'Option 3' - the Star Trek option - let the thing flail wildly, with only commercial interest at the helm, and no one with any real commitment to the franchise except as a banner to get people into theaters and sell toys.

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Owen Ward wrote:

I like my Hackintosh.

Hackintoshes are fun if you like that kind of thing, but I've never been excited by the idea of using one as a production machine when any update may break it. They're just not reliable enough in my experience.

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Snail wrote:

Just imagine all the Slave Leias in next year's Disney Princess Parade.   big_smile

I don't think she's any more slutty than Jasmine, is she?

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My thoughts. In order.

1. I honestly thought GL was going to have to die before I let myself feel any optimism about new Star Wars.
2. Leia is now a Disney Princess.
3. They will systematically mine the franchise in increasingly depressing and cynical ways until it stops making any money.
4. I must just reconcile myself mentally to separating the actual three Star Wars movies from the rest of the dross, and remain hopeful that in between Star Wars 14 - the search for Jar Jar and 'Revenge of the Ewoks', there might be a watchable movie. I just need to not think of it as a Star Wars movie.

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I haven't seen this in years, but I have a sense that the building in question is the Palace of Westminster (one of the Houses of Parliament), not Number 10 Downing Street (the Prime Minister's residence).

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Dave wrote:

They're still charging silly money for the Mac Pro, surely those units aren't shifting. The new Macbook Pro ad is telling; the tag line "for the pro in all of us" is aimed right at the prosumer market.

It is quite clear that the number of people who need more power / expandability just isn't enough to make a viable market for Apple. They don't prioritize it because it doesn't make them any money. Now you might think that's short sighted, and that the publicity value of the high end creatives is worth it, but they clearly don't think so.

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Dave wrote:

Much of the argument for or against a new iMac will come down to price once it's configured with ram / drives / gfx. If we're looking at silly money, I'll just upgrade the Win 7 workstation and grab a mini as a day-to-day machine.

It's frustrating; I really hope Apple is going to surprise everyone with new Mac Pros, but I don't see the ecosystem that would warrant them any more.

The price doesn't really matter for most pros - the difference of a thousand dollars or so just isn't significant when compared to having to deal with an operating system or software that interrupts your workflow.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/movie … to-tv.html