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Doctor Submarine wrote:

We're talking about two different things. Plot-wise, it was foreshadowed, sure. But the way that Boyle depicted it was not. It did turn into a slasher movie. And there's probably a way to do that while keeping it in line with everything that came before.


Lets just say, for the sake of this aurgument, that you are right about the slasher business,
and tone.

So what? why does this movie have to play by some rule book? the movies was good, there for,
it shouldnt matter why ot was good.

Spoilers for The Forgotten Show
Lets just say that we have a movie, a drama, and halfway through there is aliens
abducting people. But somehow its still a good movie, cause it did it with style.
Do we say, "well it was a good movie, but it didnt play by my film school textbook,
so its no good, I give it 1 star". would that be fair??[

Oh and BTW, that is a real movie, its called The Forgotten, with Julian Moore,
lots of people hated it, I loved it. I gues I am just wierd.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

I don't think the problem is scientific. It's tonal. Sunshine turns into a completely different kind of movie in the last half-hour, and it's not nearly as good.

The tone changes, so? This was totally intentional.
Look at a movie like "From Dusk till Dawn", great movie IMHO,
but total tone shift out of nowhere, and the movie was better
for it. I dont think that Sunshine come from out of nowhere though,
there are clues to help transition us

There really is no difference between this movie and 2001:A space odyssey.
with 2001 it starts off with complete mundane space stuff, then accidents
happen space stuff, to total insanity star child.

Everyone keeps saying that Sunshine turned into a "slasher".
Thats totally wrong, even as a matter of there is only  people
left, and any real slasher movie has way more. The guy who
had his wrists slit wasn't a victim, he really did kill himself, listen
to danny boyles commentary if you dont believe me.

Pinbacker wasnt killing off the crew becuase he wanted to,
they were going to interfere with his plan to let the sun destroy the earth.
he was completely off his rocker. The fate of the first mission was
unknownn at the beginning of the movie, but it was def put out
there through multiple foreshadowing that it was going to be a
part of act 3, and that it wasnt going to be just "we need to finish
the mission" type of movies.

I think most people have problem with this movie were the ones who,
on its very first viewing, totally missed the foreshadow of act 3.
anytime there is total "sticker shock" like this fromm any movie
iin the past, there was backlash on that movie.
sometimes its a small set of the viewers, sometimes its a big
set.

I am not trying to sound like a smart ass here, but I knew that
something was going on with the first mission, and it was
coming up in the movie, Ala Event Horizon, which also has
a similar setup, going somewhere way out to and dock to
a ship that was a mysterious failed mission. in the end
it was a "burned/melted man" that was the bad guy.
and alot of people didn't like that movie, they didn't get it,
and didn't realize that EH had serious supernatural things
going on. people thought that the pinbacker in sunshine
was supposed to be supernatual, and that is why they
didnt get it, but there is no supernatural stuff going on,
fringe science yes, but all based on logic. the burned up
pinbacker glowed because he had "soaked up the sun"
and it was a type of fission going on with his tissue,
it was fringe stuff, but not supernatural.

whether you liked it or not, the 3rd act of this movie,
while a shift in tone, was forshadowed. I got it, I liked it/loved it.
you didnt, milage may vary....

peace and chicken grease

word out -- Mike K. from Fort Myers, USA

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Trey wrote:

See that, everybody?  That's how you post properly in this forum!


LOL!

well there are two very good reasons for this. One is I love your stories and think that
your experience in the field just makes for a more rounded commentary
second is that the other guys, except for one, and I forget who was in the
military, but I think besides him, they are so much younger than me, that
I just feel more relatable to someone who is closer to my age, which is pushing 40, lol

no offense to anybody else, of course, I do listen to other commentaries.
mostly its due to a movie I really like, and I have no choice but to listen
to whoever happens to be doing it, well the other choice is to not listen
at all, lol, but that wouldn't be fun...

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Teague wrote:

That does sound interesting. Does he have a physics-based explanation for the sun zombie?

You said you bought the Blu-Ray, so you have the movie with the second
commentary with the British scientist.
I have listen to it a couple of times myself. I would suggest that anybody who has
a problem with the third act of this movie, listen to that commentary by the scientist.
He has a nice soothing UK accent and he explains almost everything, and even some
things you probably didn't think about. He even mentions the gravity coming on
after the hatch pressurizes, and how the artificial gravity on the ship doesnt really
have any science behind it, that it works without spinning anything, and that it can be turned
off and on, and when the door closed, that the computer turned the gravity on at the same
time, rhus they fell down.  That is one of the Sci-Fi parts of the movie, but that most of the
movie tries to keep it all grounded in fact, except the third act, but that was done on purpose.
just listen, you wont be disappointed.

As for the Third act Burning Man, the reason that the camera goes all crazy is explained
by Cillian Murphys character about 30 minutes into the movie, IDK why everybody
has such a problem with it. I love every frame of this movie.
The captain of the first Icarus went insane, but also is messed up from
the sun.  It has to do with the gravity of the sun, and how it distorts time, space,
matter, and that the captain has someone been affected by this.
this is why the camera messes up when it tries to film him, maybe if Trey
knew this, and that it wasn't done to try and cover up bad makeup,
then maybe he would be OK with it, because that seems to be his
biggest problem was the camera thing, since he mentions it several
times during the commentary.

I am not a physicist, so I would not begin to try and understand it all,
but I was totally satisfied with the fact that I didn't need to know.

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Trey wrote:

The marketing department may have needed that character but the story the movie was telling didn't.  And so I say again - a mountain fell on her.  She should have died.
.


agreed.  I remember thinking when watching this the first time, "wasnt Smoulders in this movie?"
becuase she was barely in the movie.

She sure did look good in the outfit though, lol...

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Trey wrote:

P.S. Buffalo Bill isn't the villain in Manhunter, it's The Tooth Fairy.  Though the role is played by Tom Noonan.

right... right..  (picture Crispin Glover in BTTF saying right,right, lol)
ya I haven't seen that movie in awhile. Watching that movie reminds
me of watching episodes of Miami Vice, Manns other 80's staple.

I just started listening to all your commentaries recently, I getting close to halfway done,
well with ones that you are in anyway, they are my favorite.  I remember the Robocop II
trivia from the Last Action Hero comm. I think you mentioned it there.

So far my favorite has to be The Blob, I was a young teen when that movie came out,
I loved it. The story about Jim Cameron and The Blob shirt has to be my favorite story
of yours, hands down.

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Its like  years too late, but you can tell Trey that the bad guy avatar isnt the bad guy
from Manhunter, he is th reporter in Manhunter. Buffalo Bill in Manhunter is the ax guy
from The Last Action Hero, Tom Noonon

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It's been a while since I listened to this, but I think Trey was the one making that complaint and referring to the scene where Agent Hill's leg is momentarily pinned down under some rocks. I'm not sure how that equates to "death by falling mountain" but whatever.

Well I just watched it, and Trey def. makes a point several times to say that she
should have been killed, and his own words were "a mountain fell on you, you should be dead"

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Teague wrote:

Speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee




eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed-uh.


Ya, I think  people seemed to have  missed the meaning of the title, "Speed", which has mothing at
all to do the the speed of the bus, it means the speed of the fast subway, fast elevator, and of
course a fast bus.

Realize, only the elevator was supposed to happen, but it gets messed up,  so the bus was backup plan.

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Here is the whole article about how they filmed this with the MiniDV
cameras and all about the tech stuff with the DP talking about the
post processing, I dont understand most of, lol

http://indiediyfilm.blogspot.com/2009/1 … n-xl1.html

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Trey wrote:

I always call this guy Capt. Lewis Nixon from Band of Brothers



Like you would remember this, but called the sheriff dad from super 8 "Nix"
from Band of Brothers, but that is Ron Livingston (Office Space,  The Conjuring),
but you got his name right Kyle Chandling (F.N.L's(show), Early Edition(show),
King Kong(peter jackson movie).

lol, I always get those guys mixed up also.
funny that our boys didnt pick up on it, but they probably
didnt watch Band Of Brothers.

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About the ending scene with Randy Quaid,  remember he was the
only one with a missle left, which is why he was the only only one
who could pull it off. Plus the missle was armed already, but was
malfunctioned in its holder, so he became the missle.
As forhim going in the lazer and not getting messed up, the first
beam that comes out is only the targeting beam before they turn
on the main weapon, you can tell because it also never hurts the
groung or building in the first second or so.

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You guys were aurguing about that poster where Black Widow shows here ass off,
um, isn't Black Widow's "power" all about her sexual aTtraction to men/women, so that
would make it ok??

Oh. BTW, the aircraft carriers numbers go up to 80, but only 12 in actual service total,
the numbers represent all the carriers ever made from the first one, which all but 12
have either been decommissioned, destroyed, or with numbers 78, 70, and 80, those
3 haven't been built yet.

The agent in the beginning, if you go in slow motion, ar just watch closely, doesn't
have a "mountain" fall on her, she actually swerves to the side and the big rock
miss the truck, and the smaller ones hit the seat of the truck as she jumps out of the
way.  I did think at first at the theater watching it the first time that she "bought the
farm"(lol, that means to die, like in the Starship Troopers book, LMAO). but later
watching it at home I could tell that she was actually shown to get out of the way.

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Lamer wrote:

This is not how you run when a killing machine is chasing you.



She was injured, what are you talking about???

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Zarban wrote:

I think the movie is, generally, about all veterans of foreign wars and the survivor guilt they feel. "All these men—on both sides—died, some of them in the very act of saving my ass, and yet I survived. Do I deserve it?"

No. Nobody does.

I could not have said it better myself, dead on.

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Just watched twister commentary. I then watched just the first 15 or so minutes with the sound
on afterwards, just to hear the score.  I watched this movie in the theater, and a few times since then,
put I just noticed something with the story that I missed, and I think it is a huge plot point that makes a
big difference to the story!!!

OK, get this:

Bill goes to get the papers from his Ex.  We figured, as the viewer that perhaps she didn't sign them
cause she wasn't ready to let him go. OK, so that is given. But.... BUT!!!  GET THIS!! When Bill
shows up, Helen reluctantly gets the papers from the truck, and after that she still hadn't signed
them. OK, so we know now that she most likely is stalling. No prob, I noticed all this the first time
I watched this in the theater. BUT here us where it gets crazy. When Bill say that he is getting
married, she still isn't saddened yet, there is still hope, because of the big reveal yet to come.
But when Bill says that she is here with him, "shes with Dusty", Helen's heart sinks. Why?? Not
because of straight out jealousy, oh no, because all of this was planned, not the storms per say,
that was just the icing on the cake for her!!  After learning of Bills girl being there, she tells him about
Dorthy, but she had Dorthy all covered.  But here is the BIG DEAL, I will bet you anything that the script
writer had the back story in his/her head that Helen had built four "Dorthys" in the specific hope to
get back her man! She built those things to learn about the storm, of course, but my point is that
she had it in her mind that Bill was going to be shown those machines, and with the sole intent
to then take them out TOGETHER!, she even says that "it would be wrong for you not to be here
for this". She knew he was coming, she was acting coy, but on the inside she was hoping that maybe,
just maybe that if Bill saw his dream was made alive by her doing, and going out together to place
them into the storm together, that the spark would come back. That is so clear that Helen, with her
award winning acting, puts it into her characters voice and even in her eyes and face how her learning
that Bill brought the new girl along threw a wrench into her master plan.
Believe me, watch that 10 minutes or less scene over and you will get all of that untold back story,
all from Helen Hunts voice and interactions. 
The most important point to all of this is that all of you guys that keep saying that Gertz didn't need
to be there, had missed how hurt Helen was, and that she absolutely did need to be there, it had
nothing to do with the twister plot and all to do with getting the two leads back together, and
giving a reason for these Dorthy's to be made, because one of the questions is that why did Bill
leave, why didn't he stay and make these things he was so passionate for. Well there was no
money to make them. But Helen wanted her man back so bad, it gave her motivation to get the
grant money, without fail, to make HIS dream come to life, in fact they all wanted their friend
back home.  She makes it a point to say "we all had a hand building this', like HINT, HINT, PLEASE
COME HOME!!  you could clearly see how excited these guys were to see him back.

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avatar wrote:

I'm all for realism - why not have Paxton die in the twister and Cary live to get the data? Sure, it'd be unjust, but that's life. But not emotionally satisfying for a mainstream Hollywood audience. In the cinema, we escape to a universe where there's punishment commensurate with the crime, and reward commensurate with the virtuous effort.

It's simple. Cary Elwes character clear had shown that he likes to take shortcuts through life,
this is shown by how he stole the idea of "Dorthy". He took a shortcut by heading into the
storm, even after repeated warnings not to. He couldn't be bothered to wait for another storm,
so he deserved to die. that was his own choice. Too bad the driver had to die along with him,
but that guy also had a choice, he new he was working for someone with questionable morals
and ethics. He was bound to get his "karma" returned back to him, movie karma anyway.

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avatar wrote:

Also, did Cary Elwes  really deserve a steel girder through his head? For being ambitious? Okay, he cut some corners and borrowed another's ideas, but is that an executable offence?


Um, Cary Elwes did not get the antenna-through-the-chest death(it wasn't a girder, no sky scrapers around),
it was the driver. Elwes was alive when the truck was sucked in that twister, only to die a few moments
later when the truck slammed into the ground and exploded.

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Neurolanis wrote:

I thought this ‘review’ of The Dark Crystal was terrible. I remember listening to your discussion on criticism and how you’ve evolved as a movie critic dynamic. Well, I think with this one you’ve taken a major step backwards.

First I’ll give a brief explanation of why I think The Dark Crystal is an artistic masterpiece and then I’ll give my critique of your...criticisms, such as they are.

When I first watched The Dark Crystal as a child my initial reaction mirrored that of when I first saw Star Wars: I was blown away by the incredibly detailed and fantastical world and the brilliant music. I fell in love with the characters, its endless and intricate designs. From its every exotic plant to its every alien bug buzzing around, the film weaves a unique world which feels so very real and alive, yet is completely fabricated. I’ve loved this film ever since.

Yet, it’s the little things, the revealed sensitivity when a Gelfing holds the hand of another, when Kira quivers in fear of the evil Skepsis walking nearby or the way that Jen holds Kira in his arms (believing her to be dead) while tears slip down his cheeks, which really make me believe in this world. There is a genuine surrealism in this film which couldn’t be equaled with the impressive CGI of Inception, a wonder which couldn’t be equaled in Pan’s Labyrinth and a fantasy world believability which couldn’t be equaled in The Lord of the Rings trilogy (of which I am also a fan.)

This was the kind of story which inspired me to be a fantasy writer and of which I strive to capture as one; not the detail-rich backstory of Middle-earth, but the deep, powerful feelings which it evokes in me. Any real artist would tell you that what they want most from their work is not money or fame, it’s to wake people up inside (to spark alive a spirit which easily dies in our materialistic, monotonous and yet over-complicated world.) Real art is mysterious by its very nature because it is inspired; it comes from some place deep inside and desires to speak, whether it be through a pen or a camera.

Real art impacts you and changes you in some way, like this film has done for me.


And now, my critique of your criticism:


Bear in mind, I am a fan of films which I would quickly admit to being “guilty pleasures,” but this is not one of them. Not only do I stand behind my view, both as a writer and as a visual artist, that The Dark Crystal is an artistic masterpiece, but I found a great deal of fault in nearly all of your criticisms against it. I’ll try to keep this brief.

You guys are usually quick to point out to people who don’t work in your industry why things can’t always turn out ideally in a film, often due to budget and time restraints. Yet here you hammer on about how the Gelflings could have been better built, while admitting it would have greatly increased the time and expense of filming them. The creators actually developed them with great care and I always loved how they look. Do they look like puppets? Yes. But then, Ray Harryhausen’s creations look like stop-motion animation and the well-accomplished Gollum looks like CGI. Live action also has its restrains and actors don’t always project perfectly and convey properly to the audience. No film is without such shortcomings.

As for it resembling The Lord of the Rings novel (a point which was mentioned but not hammered,) I know films which resemble them a lot more closely: The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Sorry to sound like a smartass here, but seriously, many works are based on previous ones. Even Shakespeare only wrote one original story: The Tempest. I would still argue that The Dark Crystal brings us a fantasy world which feels more enchanting, rich and mystical than Middle-earth of The Lord of Rings film trilogy.

The Garthom are “obviously” just men moving around inside them, are they? The thought had actually never occurred to me until I watched the behind-the-scenes feature a year ago. They look pretty damn heavy and powerful to me. Remember, most people are not puppeteers and it isn’t so obvious to us, especially if we’re engaged in the movie.

Your skepticism, if it can be called such, of the Skepsis is rather short-sighted. They basically represent evil businessmen, royals and politicians. They all have titles because men of this greedy, narcissistic sort enjoy prestigious titles and attire to feel important. It is also for this reason that they like having slaves and controlling everything around them which they possibly can. The Skepsis don’t fight each other with swords because in real life this sociopathic type don’t either. Look to Medieval war; their soldiers would slaughter their fellow kings’ underlings but they rarely laid a hand on one-another. The Chamberlain is only disrobed and exiled when he fails, for daring to rival the true emperor. This is not much different than when a politician fails in his campaign; one moment he's like a god and the next, his political 'friends' and allies no longer know him.

It seems silly of you to criticize a metaphor-rich film if you have no appreciation of metaphors. Many of us sensitive, artistic types feel that there is something terribly wrong with this world and many mythologies have been written to explore this. Henson and Oz researched religion and mythology before writing the story. They took the angle of there being a kind of schizophrenic split in the nature of those running the world; that although they could be quite human and wise, they could also be very selfish and downright psychotic. The levitating Dark Crystal itself is a metaphor without a specific meaning, as with the One Ring. No one knows precisely what evil is or how it can undone, but both stories take the philosophical view that evil could only be destroyed at the source of its creation.

Jen finding the right shard by playing his flute is a simple metaphor for finding the truth by following your heart. It doesn’t need to be elaborate and I found this to be a touching moment.

As for carrying on about The Muppets, that was downright childish and off-subject. Not that I’d deny you your natural, instinctive fun as human beings, but if you were reviewing a Jim Carrey drama would you keep parodying Ace Ventura?

One of you mentioned Star Wars near the end I sure took notice because this was exactly my thought for the second half of your review: the semblance between the two films and how your criticisms of The Dark Crystal would therefore also apply to Star Wars. Your comment about The Chosen One being “bullshit” would apply equally to Luke Skywalker. Only he could destroy his father and The Emperor and therefore restore balance to the universe, remember? If one is “bullshit” then so is the other. Why not pick fun of Star Wars for resembling old Sci-Fi serials and point out how it essentially ripped off the works of Frank Hebert and Edgar Rice Burroughs? Star Wars was also born of a big imagination and has various mistakes even in its theatrical release, but most would agree that it’s still an artistic masterpiece due to its scope and execution.

I am not a puppeteer but I can notice shortcomings with the puppetry in both The Dark Crystal and in the original Star Wars films. I never cared, because every film has mistakes. To me, both titles exhibit superb talent and have resonated in my heart for many years since I first saw them.

Which brings me to my final point. I agree with you about one thing: the Mystics not informing Jen about the prophecy until the very end was a very silly thing for the wise Mystics to do. It is what is known as a plot hole, and again, Star Wars is no different. Why did Obi-Wan not inform Luke Skywalker that he was the last hope for the universe and would need to learn the ways of The Force until he became a young man and suddenly his help was needed, requiring Luke to learn all the secrets in a short amount of time? It’s a plot hole but it conveniently makes for good drama. All stories have plot holes or minor problems of some kind. If we like the story enough, we overlook it.

These are my opinions. Feel free to agree or disagree.

I also want to say that I've enjoyed listening to most of your reviews, to hear the perspective of the craftsmen who work in film. smile


YES! What he said! 


lol, but seriously, I watched this movie when I 6, when it came out.  I wasn't frightened of it, I thought
it was an awesome story. I read elfquest comics, and they had same plots like this, and the gelflings
were like elves to me.  When it was on HBO the next year or so I taped it, and could watch it many times
over. I didn't care if the puppets were not perfect. To me it WAS a kids fantasy movie. I even remember
having a crush on the girl gelfling, lol.   

I was really surprised that the puppet part of the movie was even brought up. I was expecting
you guys to say how awesome it was, and then maybe make fun of the story where it was a
bit thin in places, but that was all. 

anyway, one of the few that I didn't agree with. the only other one I had to turn of was Prometheus,
just because I thought that movie was awesome and perfect and I started yelling at you guys lol,
but you couldn't hear me, lol.