fireproof78 wrote:

Speaking of "The Grey" anyone go and see it? I just did and it is creepy and thrilling. Liam Neeson totally nails it.

Based on trailers alone, The Grey is the movie I'm most interested in seeing.   The trailers paint it as a cross between Flight of the Phoenix and The Edge, with snow instead of desert and wolves instead of a bear.  Hey, do that right and I'm yours.

Roger Ebert's review says he walked out of the film he saw AFTER The Grey because he was still hung up on The Grey... well hell - now I'm really intrigued.

Speaking of Neeson, there was an extended Battleship trailer attached to Chronicle (see Chronicle thread), and if that trailer had ended with the title card "Transformers 4, with a special appearance by Liam Neeson" nobody would have questioned it.  Maybe it'll turn out to be a fun Independence Day-esque affair, but wow, the trailer looked like a Transformers fan trailer.  "Check it out - a hundred shots of military guys running and firing at big machines that go mmmmmrrrrrroooooWWWWWWrrrrrr.   You like that, right?"

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Aaaand I'm back.  Yep, that's a fun little ride of a movie, very well made and acted.

I've avoided the whole "found footage" genre until tonight, so I dunno how other movies have done it - but I thought this one justified its camera angles nicely.  A few shots were a bit of a stretch, but not ridiculous enough to break the mood for me.

The biggest surprise for ME was when they cut to a picture of one of the characters when he was a kid and I suddenly realized, "Wait - he was Wallace in The Wire!   Awesome!"

Anyway - I second your opinion, Doctor.  Well worth a watch.

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Challenge accepted.  I have never heard of this movie, but apparently it's playing down the street.  I will  attend the 10:00 showing this very evening.

THIS BETTER BE GOOD, HERR SUBMARINE.

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I wasn't planning to see it, but then this trailer totally sold me.

Hurry up, Qui Gon!

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Dorkman wrote:

As a commentary it was disastrous, but the Keith Richards bits were pretty damn funny.

Maybe pull those out and have them as a forum Easter egg. Send me the file and I'll do it. Unless Trey wants to bury it. We who were there will always have our memories...

As I (dimly) recall, the Keith Richards bit had some good moments, but went on too long.  Not unlike the movie (zing!). 

A judiciously edited selection might be fine, tho.   Feel free to give it a go if you want.  And - I'm assuming - after the LOTR blowout, we're likely doing some kinda 3rd anniversary looking back/looking forward DiF2.0 inaugural podcast, so maybe throw it in there, who knows.

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And so my "Keith Richards explains the plot of Pirates II" riffs shall be lost to history.

*thinks*

Yep. I'm good with it.

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Same here, rented Real Steel last night and really enjoyed it.   Unlike most movies nowadays, it didn't try to impress with the visual effects, it focused on the story and the characters.  I stopped thinking about the fx early on and just watched the movie, and that's a rare thing for me. 

And now I'm doubly glad it got an FX nomination - it'd sure be nice to see more movies that use fx to tell the story, instead of all these movies where they wrap a half-assed story around the FX.

As for how Atom could do the things he did, well... isn't every fight movie about the underdog whose only advantage is that he can take a beating and keep getting up?  I don't think there is another kind of fight movie.   smile

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Dorkman wrote:

"Coffee and bagels" doesn't have an entry yet, I'll write one up.

Oh good, because I've heard that one several times and don't know what it means.

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Well, everybody got their panties in a twist over this one, but I happen to genuinely think Serkis qualifies as a "lead animator" for Caesar.   He didn't use a mouse and keyboard, but not so long ago using a mouse and keyboard wasn't considered "animating" either.   I'm not saying he should get credit for something he didn't do, I'm saying the fx team should acknowledge what he DID do.    And might have, if not for the misguided Oscar campaign that gave the impression their contribution was negligible. 

On Troopers we had three input-device animators: two were stop-motion animators by experience, and one (whom I hired personally) was a puppeteer.   (We also had about ten keyframe animators who only used a computer.)   All three input device animators used the exact same setup, except two used the device like a stopmo armature and keyframed poses, while the puppeteer used the device in realtime and captured performances live.

One of our computer-only animators was ADAMANT that the stopmo animators were "animating", and the puppeteer wasn't... even though the only difference was how fast they did it.   It was a ridiculous argument, but the hatred of motion capture among "real animators" runs deep and still exists to this day. 

I think it's a silly and arbitrary way to look at it.   Personally I don't care how the data gets into the computer, or how many people had their hands on it along the way.   I only care if you believe the end result as a character on screen.  And if so, then everybody deserves to take a bow.   I still don't think Caesar deserves a Best Actor Oscar, but he deserves an FX Oscar, and in a fair world without these silly turf wars Serkis would be duly credited for his contribution to the effect.   

There certainly didn't seem to be the same animosity if you look at the making-of's for King Kong and Lord of the Rings, where the FX teams were generally profuse in their praise of Serkis and the contribution he made.

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Correction time:  Richard Corliss and Richard Shickel are both movie reviewers for Time Magazine, but Shickel is the Eastwood biographer and Unforgiven commenter, not Corliss.

Also, I tried and failed (twice) to say antidote, rather than anecdote.

Sigh.  Middle age ain't for sissies, kids.  Do not try it at home.

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Yeah, the DiF glossary is just for stuff WE made up, either some expression we coined in a commentary and then kept using (magic bean, Goldblums), or an expression that is SO *ahem* inside baseball that the average listener probably hasn't ever heard it before (footprint in the snow).

Phrases like deus ex machina or inside baseball, we didn't invent 'em, we're just usin' em.

But I don't think we've invented any DiF-centric phrases in quite a while.   At least I can't think of any... anyone else?

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

Was The Help really that good? It struck me as something akin to The Blind Side, filled with White Guilt and a cheesy moral.

I assumed exactly the same thing, which is why The Help was the very last of my screener dvd's that I watched.  I was literally avoiding it.  smile

Although it follows the exact trope you think it does (courageous white person helps the po' minority folk!) I was surprised by how it managed to do it without the didactic gooeyness we''ve come to expect from that kinda movie.   And it's just exceedingly well acted, by a huge cast of almost entirely women.  There are maybe three male characters of any consequence, and they get about two minutes of screen time apiece.  They haven't made 'em like that since the heyday of George Cukor and Kate Hepburn.

To be fair, it also had personal relevance because the movie is about white families and their black maids in the early sixties in the South... which means it's about MY family.  Wow, was I having flashbacks while watching it.  The only difference is the movie is set in Mississippi and I was born in Nashville, which was a bit more enlightened (although by today's standards not by much).  More importantly, my dad was a civil rights attorney so I wasn't taught the institutionalized racism that was still common at the time.  But it was all around us.   So if you see The Help and think "aww, they're making up stuff to be dramatic" I assure you that nooo they aren't.   smile

Anyway, mileage may vary but for me I was fascinated and entertained the entire time.  It's a solid movie and absolutely deserving of a Best Picture nomination.

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In the past 24 hours I've caught up with The Artist and Drive - both entertaining movies and sorta fascinating in their own ways - but now I'm especially confused by all the praise and awards being showered on The Artist. 

I mean, I was impressed by it, for what it was - I haven't sat in a theater and watched a feature-length silent movie since film school, I assume most people nowadays have never done it in their entire lives -  so it's great that someone can make that kind of movie and find an audience.  But Best Picture?  Really?  I'm just not feelin' it, even though all the indicators say it's gonna win.

I have yet to see War Horse or Hugo, but have seen the rest of the Best Picture nominees, and I still go with The Help, both as my own vote and my bet on the actual winner. 

That being said, if it's not The Help, then I bet The Artist gets it.  We already have precedent with the Shakespeare In Love surprise upset over Saving Private Ryan - another case of Let's Be Nostalgic About the Rich And Colorful History of Show Business snatching the Oscar out from under Let's Think Seriously For Two Hours About An Important Thing.

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Squiggly_P wrote:

the likelihood of that sort of performance getting it's own category is. And what they'd call it. "Best Digital Performance"? Also, would you nominate the actor or the animation supervisor or both or ...?

The award already exists, it's just not an Oscar category (nor, I still believe, should it be).   But the VES Society ("society" because currently fx has no guild or union) gives that award, among many other highly specialized fx categories

It's the same as the DGA, WGA, SAG and other specific movie crafts, all of which have their own awards, all of which recognize a longer list of more specific categories than the Oscars do.

And not surprisingly, Caesar is nominated for a VES award for "animated character in a live-action feature" and will almost certainly win.   It's too bad Fox decided to go with the divisive "Best Actor" Oscar campaign, because the rightful place for Caesar is in VFX, with Serkis credited as the lead animator among the rest of the team.

I remember a few years back I saw an animated film - was it The Emperor's New Groove? - that credited the artists by character.  As in, there was the name of a character from the movie, then a block of credits underneath: the voice actor, the animation team, the design team etc.   I thought that was a really nice way to acknowledge everyone's contribution, but I can't remember seeing it done that way anywhere else.

Zarban wrote:

[the Meyers’ former paperboy (Rick Schroder), who pursues him relentlessly to get back his two toddlers.

I see what you did there.   And I approve.

Thea Stairbender
Stop-motion feature about a young girl who remodels houses using only her mind.  Based on one of those Neil Gaiman stories that makes you worry about Neil Gaiman.

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Okay, that makes sense - so levelator does its own brand of normalizing, and allows some peaks to clip while doing it.  As the article says, it's a tradeoff, and a little clipping doesn't affect the listening quality of a voice-only track very much.

Normalizing in Audition might yield a similar result and save a few steps, though.  If not, then what you're doing now works.

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I haven't used Audition since Adobe replaced it with Soundbooth (I actually liked Audition better, especially when it comes to adjusting levels.)  So all I can say is from hazy memory about Audition, while looking at the file in Soundbooth.

Your overall audio level is about right - there's a lot of clipping on the waveform, but for a voice track that's not really a big deal.   I assume that's a Levelator artifact... I dunno exactly what Levelator does, but it seems like it does the same thing as the Normalize function that Audition already has.   

Normalize boosts the audio level of a file, or a selected part of a file, as loud as it can go, without letting any point in the file get louder than the peak level.    Usually you can just let Normalize do its thing on the entire file and be done with it -  unless you happen to have some extremely loud sounds here and there, in an otherwise quieter track.    Those are easy to spot in Audition, they'll be giant spikes in the waveform.    In that case, select and reduce the volume of those moments specifically, so they're more at the level of the rest of the track, and then Normalize the overall track afterward.

Anyway, hunt around the Audition menu and find Normalize and see how that works for ya.

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johnpavlich wrote:

I was a bit bummed to discover this was just a ballot for the actual Oscars, and not something more personal to DiF and the community's tastes.

Thing is, we at DiF all have actual jobs.

But you're welcome to start a thread on that topic if you wanna.  smile

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I propose we call the award The Big DiF  big_smile

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Ewing wrote:

Matthew Broderick in a car commercial is NOT a good idea.

Apparently nobody remembers that.

Besides, it happened in a whole other country, so it doesn't even count.

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FixedR6 wrote:

Boy, I love me some foreign films about feelings.

And/or living under repressive regimes run by dictators with nothing but consonants in their names.

On that note, I figure Tears of Czglwczk is the one to beat this year.  Just like every year.

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Yeah, because clearly I'm the only one who hasn't seen all the documentary short subjects.   But I'll sit back while the rest of ya discuss them.  wink

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Fair enough. Just wanted to make sure that if you're gonna do some custom-codey business, it doesn't have to be fancy preferential voting.  smile

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

I don't believe they release the shortlists for every category, so maybe it should just be the nominees.

They do, but jesus christ, who wants to wade through a re-vote for a dozen potential nominees for every category?  Highly qualified people already did that for us.

Also, preferential ballots are just for nominations.  Once the nominations are in, it's just a normal "pick one of these five" vote to decide the winner.  Which could be simulated here by a simple poll for each category.   

Does this board have a polling function?   If so, turn the categories into polls, only one selection in each category allowed, done.  No heavy math to do, the poll itself does what little math there is.

And for everyone's sake, if we're doing this, can we skip some categories?   I wouldn't know who to pick for best foreign animated cartoon sound design anymore than the rest of you do.

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Yep, that's the story.   And they still reference it every year since then. 

I almost went to the bakeoff that infamous year, because of course one of the other contenders was Starship Troopers (we got nominated but Mr. Lightbulb's movie won.).  That's probably why I've made such a point of going every year since... the next time something happens that gets talked about for the next decade I want to be there.

It was also odd that Cameron did the presentation in the first place, when it's supposed to be the fx supervisor who does it.   Not once in 13 years have I seen a movie's director on stage at the bakeoff.   (Cameron didn't do the Avatar presentation, but boy, was I hoping he would.)