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redxavier wrote:

If you assume that people won't care, then eventually they won't care as laziness breeds laziness. Every time you think that people won't notice, you're just giving yourself an excuse.

Such is the nature of Robert Rodriguez's work as the years go by. sad

The other side of this is the prevalence of misinformation in movies and its potential danger. Like it or not, films have tremendous power and influence over a lot of people, and every time these misrepresent something - whether it be history, science or cultural - they shape or reinforce views. Thus if the information retrieved is false or incomplete, the damage can be irrevocable (first impressions tending to persist).

This is generally how I feel about the sad state of affairs that is spelling and grammar, but I digress.

Getting on topic about the actual film, the panel talks about the flashbacks with the love interests as children, thus establishing their relationship and how much they love each other, and how you don't need those scenes because you can easily get all of that across in their interactions as adults.

For me, Elysium pulls this kind of crap IMMEDIATELY. It opens with info-text, explaining how bad things are on Earth and then SHOWS us the poverty-stricken conditions people are living in. The next thing we see is more info-text, telling us about the privileged, ring-world of Elysium, in space. Then, they SHOW IT! I don't know if this was a studio mandate or a pre-existing thing in the script but much like the theatrical cuts of Blade Runner, Dark City and Looper, this film treats the audience like they're dumber than soup mix, with opening info-dumps via text or narration that we don't need because THAT'S WHAT THE MOVIE IS FOR! THEY'RE CALLED MOTION PICTURES FOR A REASON! Or, in short, SHOW DON'T TELL!

I think that's one of Elysium's core problems. It's redundant as all hell. That's why the Mini-Boss gets killed, only to be resurrected so he can BE KILLED AGAIN! And for what? Michael Bay's version of Mike Tyson's Punch-Out? Oh, and swords! Don't forget swords! It's that mentality that a lot of filmmakers have these days (Robert Rodriguez, Edgar Wright, Paul W.S. Anderson, McG, Michael Bay, etc.), where they're so obsessed with doing things because it's cool or clever, they stop worrying about what's necessary or practical for the sake of their characters, story and plot.

Hopefully, this will just be a case of the Sophomore Slump for Blomkamp and his next venture will lean more towards smart, insightful science fiction and he can fulfill the promise he showed with District 9.

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Singer is always a blast. I actually made him crack up on Twitter, once. He had guested on the /Filmcast and they talked about Mimic. He was ripping into the kid who played the spoons. I explained to him on Twitter that kid was autistic in the movie. He had no clue and was embarrassed. I told him, "When you get to Hell, that kid will be there to beat on you for eternity, with spoons."

I think I've listened to one episode of The Dissolve, so far. I enjoyed it well enough, but have yet to go back. Maybe it depends on what the topic of discussion is for a given episode.

Am I crazy, or did we have a similar thread a while back, where we listed our favorite podcasts we listen to on a regular basis?

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It's hard to contribute to this because I rarely subscribe to podcasts via iTunes or some other pod catcher. I usually just download or stream new, individual episodes of my favorite podcasts during the week.

I agree about Filmspotting. They replaced one of the hosts and became increasingly more pretentious. Sometimes, movie snobbery can reach such great heights, it makes me ask, "Why do you even have a weekly podcast about movies, when you clearly don't like movies?"

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The Princess Bride benefits from not having sequels that retroactively reduce the quality of the first film. The Matrix, unfortunately is not so lucky. For example, Agent Smith, a program in the Matrix, kidnaps Morpheus within the Matrix and interrogates him to get codes which will gain him access into Zion, in the real world. It's a great scene, with a menacing, nuanced performance by Hugo Weaving, where he monologues about how humans are a destructive virus and a true danger to the world.

In the two sequels, a giant machine drills into the Earth to infiltrate and destroy Zion and its inhabitants, rendering the MacGuffin and scene from the first film completely irrelevant and unnecessary. As it stands on its own, The Matrix is a unique, inventive sci-fi actioner but is marred by a ponderous, self-important script that spends a bit too much time being pseudo-intellectual. Morpheus tells Neo, "No one can be told what The Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself." Then, he proceeds to spend the next 20 minutes TELLING Neo what The Matrix is!

The Princess Bride is never so meandering. Every scene, set piece, moment and line are all in the service of plot, story and character, often at the same time. There are also things that exist just to make you laugh, which is perfectly acceptable because it is a comedy.

Long story short, The Princess Bride wins.

The Princess Bride vs. Inception

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Though it was only a measly $20, I'm still glad to have contributed something to this amazing display of selfless, human decency. Best $20 I ever spent. I'm not even a Harry Potter fan but I couldn't pass up the chance to be present for this tremendous thing you guys did. Man, I fucking love this podcast and this community.

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Dorkman wrote:

I could almost sympathize with his anger at being under constant public scrutiny -- something any celebrity might grow tired of -- if not for the fact that he's mainly just mad it meant he couldn't get away with plagiarism.

Not to mention, he keeps putting himself out there. It would be like a paroled criminal going, "I'm not a law breaker anymore" either just before or during his robbery of a bank. If we're talking semantics then I suppose Shia is technically right. He's NOT famous, anymore. He's INFAMOUS, which is way worse.

I wish he'd either grow up and stop being an annoying jackass or just go away.

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Man, that song is fucking insufferable. sad

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Faldor wrote:
johnpavlich wrote:

but so does basically all of British Television (even today, in some cases) and I still love some of those programs.

Oi!

It's not necessarily a criticism but merely an observation.


To get back to the whole point of this thread, I'd be interested in a commentary for more CG animated titles, as you guys have only done a small few at this point. Despicable Me, How To Train Your Dragon, The Croods, ParaNorman. I know that last one is stop-motion but I'm counting it. smile

Or hey, how about Monsters University?

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I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not gonna do that. First off, I doubt those who hated the film would bother to hear me out. And second, even if they did, I don't see them changing their tune by the end.

All I can say is, I simply disagree. For me, personally, I found the premise interesting. I found the characters to have personalities. I felt the performances were mostly natural and well done (I've been a fan of Tony Todd and William Katt for years, for example, so perhaps I'm biased). I liked the dialogue. I was engaged, never bored and I'm even okay with the ending. Yes, I would have preferred the climax not to have been what it was because I feel it hijacks the movie and makes it about something else but it didn't ruin the movie for me or anything. I'm fine with the look of picture as well. Sure, it looks cheap and older than it actually is but so does basically all of British Television (even today, in some cases) and I still love some of those programs.

I don't know. I guess it merely comes down to basic, personal preference. Either the movie worked for you or it didn't. And that's totally fine. It worked for me.

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I wasn't specifically arguing that it's real, necessarily. My point was more that the name shouldn't really be an issue in the first place. I mean, what would YOU name a 14,000 year-old man with a sense of humor? Would you prefer, "Smith"?

EDITED TO ADD: Also, the screenwriter is dead, so.... smile

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Dorkman wrote:

The 14,000 year old man is named Oldman (Old Man). It's exactly that kind of on the nose superficiality that permeates the entire film. Combine that with the poor production value, clunky dialogue, and laughable dinner-theater performances and you've got something I found frankly unwatchable.

You could say much of the same about a lot of low budget, independent films, like Clerks, for example. As for the name Oldman and its meaning, that's kind of how surnames started. Simple and usually pertaining to a person's characteristics or occupation. The name Schumacher simply means "shoe maker". In Django Unchained, once Django stops being a slave and teams up with Dr. Schultz, he is given the surname, Freeman as in "free man".

If you've a problem with the writing, the performances or even the direction of the material, those are all valid, subjective things to hang your argument on regarding the film's level of "quality" but dismissing the picture because of its "poor production value" is unfair, nitpicking and a bit silly. It's one house, with a few people talking about the identity and life of one man. I say, as long as it's in focus and I can clearly see and hear the people talking then the movie is by definition, "watchable". Do you really NEED something like this to be shot on a Red HD cam with a high-priced lens kit and multiple lighting rigs? In fact, even if you absolutely despised the subject matter and the delivery of that discussion, the only thing it would have left is, "at least it's watchable".

Anyway, I would still be interested in a commentary because look at it this way: If you had an issue with the questions the movie raises, be they poorly asked, poorly answered or not asked or answered at all, then use the film's running time to actually have this discussion with your colleagues the way YOU wish the movie had approached the subject. Take it as a fun challenge. You're often called "The Fixer" on this podcast. Dammit, I wanna hear you FIX THAT SHIT! Because even though I love the movie, I bet what you guys could come up with, using the film as a springboard, would be even better.

Michael Bay films. THOSE are often, "unwatchable".

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Dorkman wrote:

Heh. I haaaaaaaaated THE MAN FROM EARTH. I wrote a mini-review a few years ago when I tried to watch it.

All the more reason to discuss/dissect it. I never fully understood your reasons as to why you didn't like it. I think a commentary would help you articulate your issues with it. Also, if I recall, you said you didn't finish it. I think you should and THEN make your case in the commentary.

I'd like to think the movie didn't work for you based on a narrative/script concern, not an atheistic one. Or, maybe it's both? For now, I can't be sure but I'm fascinated to find out.

For the record, I loved the movie, for the same reasons expressed above and elsewhere in these forums. smile

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The article mentions that at some point, Shia claims that all of this has been a "performance", I guess similar to Joaquin Phoenix or Andy Kaufman. I've always hated this notion. It's a crutch; a cop-out. Assuming it's true, it doesn't make the behavior okay. Even if you're just pretending to be a psychotic asshole, that still means you've done and said psychotic asshole things that still need to be answered for and fixed. The rest of the world wasn't in on it, so you've essentially upset others for the sake of your own selfish "art."

This is why I don't care for pranks, outside of a harmless, water-squirting flower or something. Radio shows who prank call unsuspecting victims and Television prank shows are the worst. If you pull some facade that causes me to worry, get upset or possibly even cry, you're being a dick. Plain and simple. Popping up and going, "Everything's cool, I was only playing around," doesn't automatically get you off the hook, either. In fact, you've made it worse. Besides, what if the "joke" results in something you can't take back or fix with a simple, "JK LOL!"?

Anyway, I've rambled on long enough. My point is, fuck Shia Labeouf. smile

P.S. Because even if this whole thing has been some elaborate "hoax", he's still an arrogant prick for constantly getting into physical fights with people.

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Zarban wrote:

Is this any different from Hansel & Gretel?

Yes. The difference is Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters is in on the joke (hence the title) and winking at the audience, whereas I, Frankenstein takes itself way too seriously and that's absolutely the wrong approach with material like this. We're supposed to be having FUN, dammit! smile

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Oh, definitely! I'm just saying that while both Matthew and WAYDM reach the same basic conclusion, he goes about getting there in a different, albeit more succinct way (his video is 11 minutes long, whereas you guys take advantage of the film's running time, of course). He also suggests the film has too many disparate ideas and threads for any one of them to provide total fulfillment or depth, which I don't think you guys talked about, though I could be wrong.

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I've expressed issues in these forums in the past, as to Confused Matthew's qualifications as a "good" film critic. Lately, he's downright pissed me off with his arrogance, condescension and didactic attitude (he's even gone so far as to actually say that any professional opinion that likes Man of Steel is plain wrong and he's even lashed out at specific people like Grae Drake for having opinions different from his own).

Having said that, I think he did a fairly intelligent and civilized job in offering a unique point of view on the second magic bean and why it kind of ruins the movie: http://blip.tv/confused-matthew/request … er-6720748

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Judging by what is said in the episode itself, it's not just you.

This just in, Quentin Tarantino is suing Gawker for copyright infringement and promoting illegal downloading of the script.

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Jimmy B says yes, fireproof78 says no and Dorkman I THINK is saying yes, kind of?

So, which is it? Having not seen the film but having consumed nearly every other opinion under the sun, I get the impression that the consensus on Star Trek: Into Darkness, is that it's a lot like watching a couple episodes of Glee: The characters don't grow past a certain point because any steps they take towards that are immediately undone by a giant reset button at the end, so the next episode can start over and repeat the same lessons, to the point where you'd almost expect the characters to not even change their clothes, like a damn cartoon. Furthermore, anything that the narrative may force the authors and the audience to commit to or deal with the consequences of can also be reset by either retconning to an alternate timeline or just plain forgetting about a character's "arc". See also: Heroes.

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fireproof78 wrote:

He has to be humbled in order to be a better leader....

I've not seen Into Darkness, yet and it's been a long time since I've seen the first one, but wasn't that his deal in the first movie? Didn't Kirk realize he wasn't ready, nor as great as he thought he was, so he let Spock take the lead on that mission in defeating Nero, or something?

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bullet3 wrote:

Abrams is a terrible action director. Shaky-cam all over the place, bad use of geography, and the guy refuses to give you master shots for the space stuff. It kinda bugged me in Star Trek 09, and really pissed me off in STID.

I'm wondering if that might be more of an editing issue than anything else. I mean, that stuff may have been there at the start but could have later been chopped up within an inch of its life.

Ewing wrote:

I'm not sure if I entirely buy that because the opening scene of LOST's pilot is some of the best action ever shot for television. I didn't notice it nearly as much in the first film as I did in STID. Maybe he's just gotten progressively worse with more freedom?

I'd have to agree, regarding LOST and I'd say Mission: Impossible III has some well constructed and choreographed action, too.

redxavier wrote:

The best I've seen recently is The Raid.

Ditto on that as well. I think that's because he understands you shoot fight scenes (or any action, really) the same way you would shoot a dance sequence: Wide, so you get full body shots of the performers as well as clear understanding of their geography in relation to the space they're in, because the setting is also a character and plays an equally important part in the story you're telling. It's also preferred to let these things play out in very few cuts. None, if possible so you don't break the flow of the piece.

If your camera is in too tight the whole time (and too quickly for any given shot), the whole thing is just one random, disjointed appendage connecting with (or not) one other random, disjointed appendage after another and there is zero context so you can't even give a shit the few times you actually can tell who or what you're looking at. The best (and almost always only) time to use close-ups is on an actor's face (to connect with them, intimately and read their subtle emotions) and on insert shots (to catch important plot points, sometimes also involving geography). Just as in straight Drama, if you don't have the WHY, the rest of it (WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE) will only mean so much, sometimes meaning absolutely nothing.

Ewing wrote:

Gareth Evans will save us all.

Hopefully, it'll be more than just one guy. Strength in numbers and all that. smile

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Yeah, I hit a post early in this thread where not only was Bullock's backstory revealed but the end of the movie was as well, both without warning (I think something similar was done in the actual podcast episode and then later, Trey said, "spoiler" either right before or right after dropping a plot bomb, rendering the "warning" pointless, either way). I saw that and went, "Well, I can't UN-KNOW that so fuck it, I might as well keep reading this thread."

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EDIT by mod to hide spoiler until the rest of you see All Is Lost which you should smile

Would have been nice to have done that for everything else discussed here that needed it, like Gravity. sad

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Doctor Submarine wrote:
Teague wrote:

"If you're the sort of person who likes movies that you don't like, you're gonna love this movie."
- Brian Finifter, joking about Upstream Color


I don't think Brian had seen the movie when he said this, and I don't know if he's seen it since - he was actually just kidding, I think. But it occurs to me is a fairly trenchant observation about the different types of enjoyment people get out of films.

Huh. It totally is. Then again, I don't think it's a binary thing for each person, or even each movie. I loved Upstream Color, and I really enjoyed Pacific Rim. But that's because I didn't go to each film looking for the same thing. If I'd gone to UC expecting the thrill, excitement, and fun of PR, I would have hated it. And if I went into PR expecting the lyricism, complexity, and emotional depth of UC, I would've hated that film too.

In short: NOT all films are created equal. smile

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I'm glad Stand Up Guys got a last minute recommendation. My Mom and I watched it on Netflix on a whim. After the first 10 minutes or so, where you have to suffer through really cliched jokes (the old man took too many boner pills and now his boner is dangerously big and won't go down), the film becomes genuinely funny, entertaining and surprisingly moving. There's some really insightful dialogue near the end that I was not expecting at all. Not a lot happens in the movie, but the stuff that does happen is fun to watch.

A movie I feel similarly about from this year that I'm surprised wasn't discussed was Luc Besson's The Family. It was his first American film in ages and for me, ended up being one of the better action comedies I'd seen in a long time. There's a really ridiculous plot contrivance involving a newspaper but outside of that, I can't find any other faults with the picture.

I've not seen The World's End, yet. From the sound of it, I'm worried I may have the same feelings I had with Scott Pilgrim, which is that I'll probably like it but it won't be a "good" film due to having unlikable leads and unearned character "arcs". Also, while I'm sure that essay makes a good case in favor of the film, the film should still be able to speak for itself and stand on its own to be good. If it can't/doesn't do that and one has to consume outside material after the fact, then I think the movie failed.