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Yay!
With Mike on this, HB2 was not good.
I'd actually really like to see Eastwood's take. None of this fantasy bullshit, just grim complicated characters dealing with their own demons.
Much as that certainly interests me, I'm kinda getting sick of all this "dark and gritty" crap. Fantasy bullshit is cool with me as long as the characters are good, and dark does not always equal good.
The pitch for Pacific Rim appears to be "Transformers, but without the worst parts." So Hellboy 2 is "Van Helsing, but without the worst parts."
I thought you guys liked Hellboy 2?
I think that Gibson and Polanski are different stories. Gibson said some heinous things once while drunk. Polanski also did a disgusting thing once. OSC actively and continuously supports a cause that I find despicable. If I buy Rosemary's Baby on DVD, Polanski isn't going to donate his cut to pedophile groups. OSC will use his cut of my ticket for Ender's Game to support anti-gay organizations, and I'm not cool with that.
bullet3 wrote:Any time Downey is just running around with a gun in this movie is my favorite.
Without the suit, Stark watched a woman he had a brief relationship get shot and killed. All because he was so ineffective by himself, that he couldn't prevent it.
This discussion, and the film itself, is a huge source of irritation.
Suit or not, he wouldn't have been fast enough to stop it. He was also chained up at the time.
Joel Edgerton is a good choice too, but his mustache just SCREAMS villain. He looks like the kind of guy who ties maidens to railroad tracks.
I was skeptical about DiCaprio, but he's so talented that I'm not surprised he does well with the role.
That said, Michael Fassbender as Jay Gatsby...now I'm disappointed that it's not him.
James McAvoy and JGL are a lot better for Nick, though. Definitely better than Tobey fucking Maguire.
I hate being that guy who judges a person based on material (or vice versa, in this case), but fuck Orson Scott Card.
Don't be. Card is vile, and there's no way in hell I'm giving him money to see this.
The movie doesn't understand what the core of the character is about. This is a big part of my frustration.
Of course it does! The core of the character is Tony Stark's intellect and resourcefulness. Without those, he never would have built the Mark I in an Afghan cave, and Iron Man wouldn't even exist. Iron Man 3 puts the focus back on those aspects of his character, which was sorely lacking in Iron Man 2. It's spelled out explicitly in The Avengers!
Steve: "Big man in a suit of armor. Take that away, what are you?"
Tony: "Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist."
It was his resourcefulness that allowed him to *create* iron man. The suit, not the pilot, is the hero. Pepper in a suit? She becomes iron man and saves Tonys life when the building collapses. Military guy in a suit? He becomes the super hero War Machine, and saves the president.
True, and I guess Tony does spend the whole movie trying to repair his suit. But thematically, the movie is about Tony growing beyond the need for a suit, dramatized in his panic attacks and his obsession with both building suits and using them to keep others at arm's length.
Doctor Submarine wrote:He doesn't need the suit. The suit needs him.
I promised myself I'd be nice.
The end sequence of the film suggests this isn't the case. Without the suit, piloted by him or not, Tony is of no use in a stand-up fight. His girlfriend had to save his life. War machine had to save the president. Without the suit, Tony is just Q.
But the very end of the film suggests that this is exactly the case. That's the symbolism of him getting the arc reactor removed from his chest while saying "I am Iron Man." That's why he was jumping in and out of suits during the finale. The suits aren't the superheroes, they're just tools that Tony Stark, the real superhero, uses to fight the bad guys.
Now, nothing you've just said is wrong, per se. But ultimately it's Tony's resourcefulness that allows him to get to the bad guy, beat him, and save the day.
And it seemed like Black realised that with the suit on, Iron Man is too invulnerable, so every BS reason was concocted to keep him from using the full suit. They've got a Catch 22 situation for future instalments. Use the suit, and suck all the tension out, don't use the suit, and it's not Iron Man.
But the whole point of the movie is that he's Iron Man whether or not he wears the suit! The movie was constructed to keep him out of the suit for as much time as possible, so that we understand what makes Tony Stark so special in the first place. He doesn't need the suit. The suit needs him.
I won't be seeing Ender's Game no matter what, because fuck Orson Scott Card, but that trailer wouldn't have persuaded me anyway. The film has a massive lack of personality. It looks like JJ's Star Trek but younger. I'm not seeing a distinct identity anywhere in that trailer. Pass.
Bottom line, Shane Black now joins Joss Whedon in the category of filmmakers who could make really interesting stuff, but are making these soulless McSpectacles instead. But maybe one or both of them will use the Soderbergh playbook and use their new clout to make a few challenging projects in between tentpoles. We'll see.
Joss Whedon is about to release a black-and-white Shakespeare adaptation, so I think we can take his name off that list.
I don't watch Spoony ever since his petulant, absurd Cabin In The Woods meltdown. Is this worth watching?
If you're looking for a name for Frankenstein's monster, in the book he calls himself Adam, because he's a fan of Paradise Lost.
Finished Gatsby. Frankly, I'm baffled as to how anyone could think that it's ripe for cinematic adaptation. It's basically just 9 long scenes of arrogant white people being alternately mopey and despicable. Nick is the only character who isn't completely unlikeable, and Gatsby himself isn't so much "bad" as he is hopelessly naive. Nothing about the book screams "movie." It requires a sense of the characters' inherent awfulness, which most adaptations of it seem to miss in favor of glamorizing their rich and fabulous lifestyle (which, by the way, is why I'll never understand people who throw "Great Gatsby parties.") Baz Lurhmann is a smart guy, so I'm sure he understand what the book is actually about. The book makes it really hard to sympathize with any of the characters, so I hope that the film stays true to that.
Also, finally starting in on A Dance With Dragons. I've been putting it off for months. It's off to a good start, but it needs more Dany and fewer random new POV characters.
So which do you think is worse, Iron Man 2 or 3?
I think 3 might actually be the worst...
This is literal insanity.
The juxtaposition of these two made me laugh out loud.
So, I think in 3 (and bear in mind I haven't seen it but have gathered enough from this thread to make a preliminary diagnosis
) he is literally going from dependent on the suit to not needing the suit but still calling himself "Iron Man" because he feels that what makes Iron Man special is himself, not the suit.
Ding ding ding! That's what the movie is ultimately about.
switch wrote:I heard nothing new... THAT's what I'm sayin' MY GOD how many times do I have to say the same DAMN thing!? This is like a Sam Jackson movie...
Well, the first time you said you couldn't make anything out which is why I asked what I asked. It was a bit confusing.
Also, has everyone in this forum been told they are going to die soon? Almost everyone is pissy and on edge these days. Bloody hell.
Finals. Nuff said.
Just re-read The Great Gatsby in advance of the film. Not sure how the movie is going to work, considering that the book is actually pretty light on plot.
I love you guys though. I think it's great that we have a place to have this kind of conversation.
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