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We were, until we realized we don't have much to say about it.

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I watched the first 5 SAW movies with no problem. But this movie I can't deal with.

It's probably the part where this actually happened. I can't reassure myself it's just a movie -- because even though James Franco walked away with both arms, the guy he's playing didn't.

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"Some members of the audience in Toronto fainted without injury due to the realistic amputation scenes."

I'm never watching this movie.

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Anyone remember that FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX remake from a few years back? Plane crashes in the Gobi desert with a bunch of folks onboard, Giovanni Ribisi is an asshole genius who figures out a way they can rebuild the plane and get it to work based on the resources at their disposal, but they're going to have to work together, and we're the real monsters, blah blah.

Anyway, I swear -- I swear -- there was a trailer which spent a good chunk of time establishing a B-plot about how no one realizes it, but the redesigned plane will only carry two people: Ribisi and the pilot (Dennis Quaid), so there's this whole conspiracy about how they're using these people to save themselves, and Quaid struggles with this morally, etc.

None of that shows up in the movie, and I can't find any evidence of the trailer, but I KNOW it happened because I saw the movie with a friend and the first thing he said to me after was "Wasn't there like a subplot about how there wasn't enough room for everyone?"

Also, I remember the beryllium miners speaking English in the GQ trailer, too.

Now that he's given YouTube the finger and deals with the video hosting himself, he won't have to deal with DMCA struggles or "video processing" wait times, so I think this big release will probably go smoothly.

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switch wrote:

Sure, but in the case of The Room, I don't think it was meant as a joke.  Several cast members have said that it was supposed to be a drama.  I think it's more a failed drama that just happens to be funny.

Yes, it's obviously unintentional. There's nothing actually funny about the film if taken at face value, it's the meta level of its abject, spectacular failure to be what it's trying to be that makes it funny. The attempt to claim it was always meant to be a "dark comedy" is clearly nonsense.

But the fact remains: we'd primarily be explaining why something is funny. Whether the filmmaker did it intentionally or not (not) is besides the point -- explaining a joke is just not very good podcast.

Shifty Bench wrote:

It would be weird to hear you guys do a commentary on it but I think you all should at least watch it.....

We've all seen it. Well, except Trey.

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It's come up before.

We avoid comedies on the show because there's often not much to say other than to explain why the jokes are funny. IMO, it's essentially the same thing with THE ROOM. Talking about why a given scene, line, or performance is bad is pretty much just explaining the joke.

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It refers to the online magazine CultureDeluxe.

Though I can't seem to find it on the site.

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So anyway.

I think it's very much worth seeing. I actually have to agree with the reviewers who have said this is a film that defines this generation. Not in the sense that this is now the "David Fincher's THE SOCIAL NETWORK generation," but in the sense that the character of Zuckerberg (if not the actual person) is a representative of the people of his/our generation. He blogs before he thinks, succeeds before he's ready, and peers out at the whole world through the internet, realizing too late that the world is peering back. When it was first announced, the title THE SOCIAL NETWORK seemed like an amusing pretense to get around what everyone knew was actually "the Facebook movie." But having watched the movie, one could argue that the title isn't really referring to Facebook at all. (Multilayered titles! I love 'em!)

I'd just warn you to have patience through the opening scene. The characters talk too fast and the scene is dark and kind of greenish as if to say "YES THIS IS REALLY THE WEST WING GUY WRITING AND THE ZODIAC GUY DIRECTING WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE SCREEN." But after that first scene they get out of your face and the movie stands on its own.

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Pretty cool.

But -- and not to look a gift horse in the mouth here, but -- it looks like they could use a proofreader over at CDMag.

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Yeah, I could be wrong, but something tells me that if they HAD consulted Zuckerberg, you'd be decrying the film as a sham vanity project serving as little more than a corporate mouthpiece.i Knd of a no-win.

I saw and liked it and will say more when I'm not posting from my phone.

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Down in Front wrote:

I think I'd have an easier time describing the plot of SOTL without Lecter than DK without Joker.

An agent named Clarice Starling and her teammates at the FBI track down a vicious serial killed named Buffalo Bill.

Batman, amid the investigation of an anti-corruption DA...

...deals with a villain called the Joker.


That's disingenuous. You can easily manipulate the presentation of the logline to suit the point.

To wit "Batman teams up with an idealistic DA to fight an escalating crime wave in Gotham."

Certainly the Joker is central to said crime wave...but Lecter is also central to Clarice's investigation.

I like Gregory's definition of lead characters influencing plot vs. supporting characters influencing characters. I don't think Bardem in NO COUNTRY presents an exception at all.

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The male lead in DARK KNIGHT was Christian Bale, hence Ledger is supporting. If the male lead was not Anthony Hopkins in SILENCE, who was it?

It's not a matter of screen time, it's about their significance to the story. Hannibal Lecter is clearly the most important character in Clarice's story -- there IS no story without him. Likewise, you can tell a story about Batman without the Joker -- but not without Batman.

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Kyle wrote:

I'm becoming to Dorkman what that one stalker was to Bjork, minus the facepaint.

For now.

I have no idea what this means.

I know what you're referring to, but not what you're trying to say.

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Well, for one thing, you seem under the mistaken impression that Mark Zuckerberg/Facebook had anything to do with the production of this film. They didn't. It's not some unholy union of Hollywood and social media. It's a dramatization of a story in the public record, which last I heard Zuckerberg wasn't hugely thrilled about but it's not like he could stop it.

Do you object to the existence of CITIZEN KANE? THE AVIATOR? PIRATES OF SILICON VALLEY? MAN ON THE MOON? RAY? ALI?

Not to say TSN is on the same quality level as any of those films (haven't seen it), but a biopic's a biopic. If you're cool with biopics, I don't see what makes this one any different other than it's about Facebook and it's hip to hate on Facebook. Not judging, I do it too.

For the record, I don't see anything inherently wrong with the pop culture machine. SERENITY was the result of the pop culture machine. BATMAN BEGINS and DARK KNIGHT were results of the pop culture machine. Hell, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK was the result of the pop culture machine of its time.

But of course, the pop culture machine also brought us pretty much every shitty and unnecessary sequel ever made, and a number of adaptations we probably could also have done without (I'm looking at you, every movie based on a video game). The pop culture machine is amoral, it's all a question of whether or not it falls into the wrong hands.

Just because something had its roots in a business decision doesn't mean it can't also be artistically valid and powerful. The Sistine Chapel was a work-for-hire, let's not forget. As were most of the works of Shakespeare. The question is, did they just slap something together, assuming the pop culture association would do the work for them, or did they treat it as seriously as any other project and make a real movie?

Again, I can't answer that question, because I haven't seen SOCIAL NETWORK. But dismissing it based on its premise or the fact that it's a commercially lucrative premise seems a little wrongheaded, since pretty much no film gets greenlit unless the studio thinks it has the potential to be commercially lucrative.

That being said, I think it's perfectly fine not to be interested in it. I'm not particularly interested, since I don't much care for Facebook or biopics and I feel like I've seen the fall from grace story plenty of times, but it's getting good reviews and a few people I know have already seen and recommended it, so I expect I'll find the time to see it before the weekend is over.

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switch wrote:

God Damn it, Dorkman...

I SAID GOOD DAY!

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vidina wrote:

The only thing that annoyed me with the film was limbo. It just doesn't make sense that limbo is shared with everyone, and that Cobb and Mal were the first ones there.

It makes as much sense as the rest of the dreams do -- which is of course to say that your mileage may vary.

The whole premise is that one dreamer constructs the world of the dream, which everyone then enters and shares. At the top level, Yusuf was the dreamer and everyone was sharing the world that Ariadne had taught him and that he constructed in his mind. The next level down, same thing, but this time the world was a construct in Arthur's mind that everyone was sharing. Next level down, a construct in Eames' mind shared by everyone.

Because Cobb had, in another context, already been to limbo, there was already a construct in his mind to inhabit if they went down that far. Hence, anyone who wound up in limbo wound up in Cobb's dream.

If Cobb had not been part of the team, or alternatively if Cobb had never been to limbo, limbo would have been formless for the first person to arrive there, but whatever he or she constructed in limbo would then have become the common construct for anyone else. But because a construct already existed in one member of the team, when they shared minds they shared the construct.

Presumably, if two of them had previously -- but separately -- been to limbo, the team's shared limbo would have been an amalgamation of the two preexisting constructs.

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I don't think you have to look like Ron Paul to watch 3D movies.

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http://img.youtube.com/vi/NKLYEAC4F2U/0.jpg

You LOSE!

Good DAY sir!


(Sidenote: Try a Google image search of that phrase with Safe Search off. The results may surprise you. I know they surprised me.)

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1. Evolution. Usually what they call "evolution" is actually "metamorphosis." One species giving birth to a completely separate species isn't the next step in evolution, it's fucking crazy. If it ever did happen, far from being an example of the theory in practice, we'd just about have to throw evolution completely out the window.

2. Genetics. You can't just splice any goddamn things you feel like together. It doesn't even work that way here on Earth, if we're going to start talking about extraterrestrial life which would have NO commonalities in the genetic code, forget it. Don't get me started on sexually-reproduced alien-human hybrids, and double don't get me started on such hybrids which are themselves sexually fertile. Also, your DNA doesn't hold your fucking memories. If we cloned you it would be a different person entirely, and would have to start as a baby, not identical to your present state.

3. Computers can't do that. Whatever it is you're having them do, it probably doesn't work that way. A picture only has so much resolution, and even if you could hack that satellite, that won't make the satellite shoot laser beams or whatever you've decided to make it do.

4. Science is not a monolithic study or practice. You should not be asking a geologist character a question that is more appropriate for an astrophysicist. More to the point, he should not be giving you an answer.

5. The notion that everything actually has to be explained with something science-y. Show us a weird doodad and make it behave credibly and consistently within your story and we'll probably accept it. All you do by trying to explain it with real science is highlight how completely it would not work that way.

Oh, and also, there's no sound in space.

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Top five subjects -- academic, pop cultural, whatever -- you'd like to be a geek about, but don't know enough to claim the title.

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Also:

Gregory Harbin wrote:

Maybe I am deluded, but I figured they'd just go ahead and redo all of the effects.

They almost certainly won't.

Gregory Harbin wrote:

Assuming they have the project files for the SEs locked in a vault, it'll be an easy enough (if time consuming: notice how they're doing the OT last, and haven't announced a release date) process to re-render in 'true 3D,' in 4 or 8K, like, say, a Pixar movie.

Okay, two things.

1) You bring up Pixar. When Pixar decided to re-release the TOY STORY films in stereo 3D, they didn't do a conversion, they went back to the original files, made artistic depth decisions shot-by-shot, and re-rendered the films from scratch. Doing this required that they take several months to rewrite and reverse engineer their current code to be backwards-compatible with 15-year-old assets. ILM will likely have to do the same to update the SE assets. Assuming that they can just drag and drop those assets into their current pipeline is...not a fair assumption.

2) Almost every film you have seen since the advent of digital post was mastered in 2K or below. Sometimes they scan film higher than that for really complex shots, but the final master that is printed to film was 2K. NO film has EVER mastered 8K. The highest scans done on THE DARK KNIGHT, for the IMAX work, was 5.6K. AVATAR was shot (what parts of it were actually shot) and mastered at stereo 1080p. AOTC and ROTS, too, have a 1080p negative. I highly doubt that they are going to go back to the negative for the OT -- the idea, remember, is to get the MOST bang for the buck. That means dimensionalizing what's already there, not rebuilding the movie from scratch.

Gregory Harbin wrote:

Again to look at Secret History, the SEs cost $10 million, and that's not just the new Trench Run, that's the full restoration and sound remix as well.

Then -- and I acknowledge this is a tangent, but -- fuck Lucas again for claiming that simply restoring the originals to BD quality would be prohibitively expensive.

Gregory Harbin wrote:

Do we have any reason to suspect that Fox, which just made a ton of money off of Avatar, isn't going to put as much if not more money into the 3D versions of Star Wars, especially considering that if reviews say the same thing that Airbender's reviews said, no one is ever going to watch them?

Assuming that the standard relationship is still in effect, Fox has no say. They'll distribute what Lucas gives them and like it.

And rotomation will not happen. As Teague mentions, a person doesn't really have that much depth, certainly not enough to make the difference between full rotomation and a gradient roto worthwhile. Especially when, between the ubiquitous bluescreen keys and roto already in place to accomplish the existing comps, that work is already mostly done.

Maybe -- maybe -- they'd do it for really dynamic close-ups (the immolation comes to mind; that's probably rotomated in the first place for the burning effects) but not for an entire film.

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Was an edit, made it separate since Gregory posted in between:

Part of it depends on who's actually doing the conversions. I read one article that says that Lucas plans to hire the most experienced 3D conversion houses, and another that claims ILM is handling it in-house.

If ILM handles it, then it certainly could turn out very nice, at least for the prequels, since they can get the accurate depth passes for the CG and do a complete stereo recomposite from the ground up, and have that probably even turn out to be cheaper on the big shots than doing it the usual way.

I was going off the announcement I read, which is that he was farming it out.

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Gregory Harbin wrote:
DorkmanScott wrote:
Gregory Harbin wrote:

These are things that matter: time and money. LFL has both on their side.

And that worked out so well for the prequel trilogy, not to mention INDY 4.

*shrug*

I liked all of those.

Well then I suppose you CAN expect to like the SW3D conversions, regardless of any of these other factors. But if you don't care about a movie's quality, I don't know why you bother defending the notion that it will BE of quality.

Gregory Harbin wrote:

So if more time means a better conversion, then why would it matter what James Cameron said about it? He didn't even see the movie.

I have no idea why it matters -- you brought him up.

Gregory Harbin wrote:

The point of my post was in my first one. The point was: more time = better conversion. You disagreed with that with an appeal to authority: "Cameron said it was shit!"

Incorrect. I disagreed with your appeal to authority, which was, and I quote:

"Even James Cameron is a fan of the in-depth, lengthy conversion processes they're using on his older films like Titanic."

Emphasis mine. To which I pointed out that his position on in-depth, lengthy conversion processes is in fact fluid and inconsistent. When I should have just pointed out that you were committing an appeal to authority and evading the larger point, which is twofold:

1) One should not necessarily assume that a 3D conversion will be "awesome and you fucking know it" if one has not actually seen the results of the 3D conversion process, which was why I was asking Vidina, who was making that assumption, whether or not he had seen any post-converted 3D films; and
2) One should not necessarily assume that just because LFL can do a quality conversion means they will, as they have shown little concern for anything but squeezing every last dollar out of the franchise.

My prediction is that they will spend the minimum necessary to produce a passable conversion; I base this prediction on the QC of various re-releases of the STAR WARS films (remember what the last DVD release did to the lightsabers?) and the general attitude Lucas has towards the films. He has no affection for these films. If he didn't think these would make money, he wouldn't do them. And the more money he spends, the less money he'll make.

Anyone who thinks they'll actually break the bank to make sure every greeblie on the surface of the Death Star is accurately dimensionalized is living in a fucking delusion. The only question is where in the range between "perfect" and "disgraceful" these will fall. If we're lucky, I'm betting right in the middle.

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Gregory Harbin wrote:
DorkmanScott wrote:

Try -- try -- not to be such a blithering asshat.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/08/18/camer … -3d-dante/

Going to IMDB for serious film facts is like going to Stephen Colbert's Wikipedia page for information about bears.

Let me explain to you how logical validity works in terms of forming an argument.

When debating someone, to attack the person in lieu of attacking the argument is called an ad hominem fallacy. Now, this is not the same as insulting/attacking them while responding to their argument, but doing so instead of presenting a cogent response to them.

The fact that Jim Cameron was fired from his work on PIRANHA 2 has no bearing on the value of the statements he made. The producer was committing an ad hominem by attacking Cameron instead of his positions.

By the same token, the fact that the producer was incorrect regarding who was the original director of PIRANHA 2 has no bearing on the quality of the 3D conversion performed for PIRANHA 3D, nor whether it utilizes the same or similar technology/duration as the 3D conversion currently being performed on TITANIC.

Attacking the producer ("LOL he got an obscure 80s B-movie fact wrong wat a retard"), rather than responding to the substance of the point ("James Cameron maligns a process on one film while he praises it on another"), is an invalid logical construction, and not at all to the point of the conversation. The comparative quality of the films in question is also not relevant to the issue of whether or not the technology and time employed in the conversion are the same/similar.

It's partially my mistake for responding to your statement as though it had any relevance to the subject under discussion. If you would like to engage in the actual conversation at hand in a logically coherent fashion, please let me know.

Gregory Harbin wrote:

Was Piranha's 3D conversion better or worse than Avatar: The Last Airbender's?

LOL YOU THINK IT'S NAMED THE SAME AS THE SERIES IT'S JUST CALLED THE LAST AIRBENDER CHRIST WHAT A RETARD

(See how that doesn't really answer your question?)

I refused to see AIRBENDER in theatres, but by all available accounts, better. AIRBENDER's reviews universally maligned the 3D conversion; PIRANHA's reviews were neutral to mildly positive.

Gregory Harbin wrote:

The producer of Clash of the Titans even admitted that they rushed the conversion.

I don't really see how he could deny it, since they publicly announced their decision to convert it only 6 weeks prior to the worldwide release.

Gregory Harbin wrote:

These are things that matter: time and money. LFL has both on their side.

And that worked out so well for the prequel trilogy, not to mention INDY 4.

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Gregory Harbin wrote:

So in this article I just found, the producer of Piranha 3D says to Jim Cameron: "let’s start by you accepting the fact that you were the original director of PIRANHA 2 and you were fired."

The guy making the SEQUEL to Piranha 2 thinks that Cameron was the original director. Christ.

IMDB: Credit for directing this film was given to James Cameron. Most of the work was actually performed by Ovidio G. Assonitis, the film's producer and prolific film-maker. Assonitis was dissatisfied with Cameron's progress after the first week and took over.

So 1) he's correct, and 2) I don't see what this has to do with the technology, length of time spent, or quality of the 3D conversion.

Gregory Harbin wrote:

Are you honestly comparing some shlocky $25 million boob-fest to one of the highest-grossing films of all time?

I'm comparing rushed 3D conversions to conversions given close to a year to be completed. You're the one who decided to bring budgets and gross -- both non sequiturs in terms of the 3D conversion process, technology, and quality -- into this.

Gregory Harbin wrote:

LFL is going to spend more on the 3D conversion of the Trench Run than Dimension spent on all the CG 'effects' in Piranha 3D combined.

You know that for a fact? You've seen the budget breakdown that they're planning and been privy to those discussions, have you?

Really. Try -- try -- not to be such a blithering asshat.