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DoctorSubmarine wrote:

It doesn't surprise me that people don't like some characters in this film. What DOES surprise me is that the character that most of those people DO like is Knives? Really? I liked the movie, but I found her shrill and annoying. If there was one character I truly hated in the movie, it was her. It just baffles me that people liked her for any other reason than pity.

As one of the folks who liked Knives, I will say I agree that she's annoying and immature at first.  But then she gets over it.  As opposed to Scott, who supposedly "learns the power of something or other" even though I never saw how or why it happened, I actually understood what Knives wanted, and what she was doing to get it.   Maybe I wouldn't want to hang out with her in real life, but I was interested enough to watch her from a distance.

And unlike Scott and BlueHair, Knives earned her victory.  She had a goal, she tried different things to get it, and in the end was a different person for it.  Which makes her the only major character with anything resembling a character arc.

Oddly enough the changed ending gave Knives an even stronger arc than the "real" ending did - when Scott ended up with the other chick, Knives was okay with it, and I was happy for her.  Good for you, now ditch those posers and find a real boyfriend!

Matt Vayda wrote:

I think Lucas made it clear a long time ago that he has his own idea of what Star Wars is, and isn't much interested in what the fans would like to see.

E: Strongly Disagree

The evidence shows that Lucas is quite interested in what fans would like to see.  He just isn't inclined to make whatever that is.   (I wouldn't be, either.   O noes OMG O noes, let me put all my plans on hold RIGHT NOW so I can address the concerns of MangaLuvver34@gmail )

But on the other hand, unlike Spiderman, Batman, etc, which can be rebooted endlessly - sometimes grotesquely - because they're commodities owned by corporations (which protect those brandnames with varying degrees of vehemence), Lucasfilm is still privately owned by LucasMan himself, and against the advice of counsel he's made it his policy to let fans reinterpret his stuff themselves in all kinds of ways, and share those interpretations with the world in ways that publicly-held corporations would have - and often have - taken legal action to crush.

3/4ths of the core DIF panel have personally committed actionable copyright infringement of Lucasfilm's intellectual property (and Teague helped).   Instead of prosecution Lucasfilm has given 1/2 of the panel awards for so doing.

So I highly doubt Star Wars The Official Thing will get handed to anyone while George is still alive, but as a tradeoff he's said quite specifically that anyone who wants to do their own take on the thing themselves can do so UNofficially, and he's been enjoying seeing the results.

A compliment I get quite often about Pink Five is "this feels more like original Star Wars than the official prequels do", which is nice because that's exactly what I was going for.   George isn't going to make the movies I want to see, and he doesn't have to.  But he let me make my own, gave me two awards and some cash for it, and let me remix my soundtrack at his nice ranch place.   Sony would have just sent me a C&D.

So maybe I don't like his recent work, but the guy himself I like a lot.

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FixedR6 wrote:

Pitch black - not shite. Are you playing the directors cut?

http://movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1728

Huh.  Based on that description, that's the cut I just watched a couple months ago.  Didn't even know it was the "extended" version.

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Another thumbs up for Collateral from me.   Gets a bit silly in the third act, but damn, Cruise as a villain is awesome.   He does the dark version of the character he plays in most every other movie, and shows there's not actually much difference between the two.    'cause whether a guy is a superhero or a supervillain all kinda depends on whether you approve of what he's doing, don't it?

Hmm.  Now I wanna watch it again.

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courtesy of John Pavilich

Courtesy of the great John Pavlich

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Invid wrote:

You have to consider the historic reality. Every attempt to do animation in the US for a mainstream adult audience has failed.

Beauty and The Beast laughs at your shenaningans.

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Zarban wrote:

Trey's pic... I'm going to go with 1970 Chevy Nova coupe.

yep, with the 307 engine.  Maybe not as awesome as the 350, but once I put the 4-barrel carb on it, it was plenty good enough.   

Oh, the stunts I did in that baby.  Some of which are immortalized on 8mm film in a box somewhere.  Good times.

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Zarban wrote:

/standing in a "queue" in my "dressing gown" with my "buffered analgesics", feeling as tho I've forgotten something.

Well, if you didn't pick up that stack of mail back at the house, you'll never get the Babel fish.

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Pretty much. 

And so's this thread, apparently.

/just glad somebody in the world is still doing a stop motion project

Matt Damon, Chevy Chase, Jessie Jackson, RL Stine and Sigourney Goddam Weaver.   Score.

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Interesting post here by one of MASH's writer/producers about the laugh track.

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redxavier wrote:

And I just love the dogged determination to finish what was being said too! Trey is great at this. They'll be a long tangent and all of a sudden he'll come back to that story he was half way through telling 5 minutes ago.

I suspect that if every word I ever said in our 100 episodes was put into a cloud, ANYWAY would be one of the largest.

Although in the anniversary commentary I accidently came up with the neologism "anyhey" which I predict will be quickly sweeping the nation.

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Both Tim Burton's first Batman and both of Nolan's are interesting case studies as well.   

In Burton's Batman, Michael Keaton is already Batman at the beginning of the movie, and he's still Batman at the end.    No arc there.  But Nicholson's Joker has a complete arc - we see him become the Joker, we see him BE the Joker, and we follow his story all the way to its end.

In Batman Begins, we see.. well, Batman begin.  So Bruce Wayne gets a full character arc in that one.    But in The Dark Knight, he's the same throughout.  Sure, he suffers a lot and becomes a pariah at the end, but these are just things that happen to him, they don't actually change his character at all.   

Ledger's Joker has no arc either, he also stays the same through the entire movie.    Of all the main characters in TDK, Harvey Dent is the only one with an arc, albeit a tragic one.

It's the same dynamic as the classic Western anti-hero like Shane, or the Road Warrior, or Yojimbo... the title character doesn't change - he just shows up, does his thing, and then moves on.   The arc-ing is carried by the supporting characters.

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Hackers I haz not seen.  But The Incredibles? I'm so there.

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Well, my my.  Best non-human, best Actor and Best Feature?   Awesome.   Curious to see what the actual results are tomorrow.

I gotta check out Sherlock Holmes (Asylum version).  I hear it's kinda wacky fun.  And the steampunk robot thingie that appears in the movie is prominently displayed in the Asylum lobby to this day, it's pretty nifty. 

Rachel Goldenberg was prepping Princess and Pony while we were in post on Moby, so I saw her around the office a lot.  She seems nice.  If she ends up taking the coveted Best Director award, I'm okay widdit.

Re: Dean Kreyling, apparently he's just somebody Asylum likes working with.  Mike Gaglio and Matt Lagan are two other Asylum veterans who appeared in Moby as well, nice guys all.    None of them came in to audition, the Asylum honchos just cast them according to type.  I didn't meet any of them myself until they came to set. 

But they all knew what to do, I just pointed a camera at 'em. smile

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*head explodes*

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We didn't talk about it a lot in the DOTD78 comm, but it's there. I think.

And other than the head asplosion I dunno what else I'd have to say about Scanners.* I haven't seen it since it came out, not sure if any of the rest of the crowd has seen it at all.




* Except that I wish Patrick McGoohan had done more movies in his later years, 'cause he was always frickin' awesome.

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As I recall we already referenced that scene while discussing the head explosion in Dawn of the Dead '78...

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Invid wrote:

When it comes to the Emmy, the local newspaper TV reviewer had a theory that voting was usually for the PREVIOUS season.

There are those who believe the Oscar often works the same way.  The theory is winners sometimes win not for the thing they're nominated for that year, but because the voters realized in retrospect that they shoulda won for that other thing a few years ago.   

Or because the nominee gets nominated a lot but never seems to win, so it's just time to give them a damn Oscar already.

Al Pacino might be a good example - six Oscar nominations without a win, finally on the 7th turn he wins... for Scent Of A Woman?   Was that really Pacino's most Oscar-worthy performance?   Compared to Serpico or Godfather or Dog Day Afternoon?  Really?   

I think that was a "just give him one fer pete's sake" win. smile

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The Empire's high command in the OT are the space-Nazis, but the stormtroopers are more the equivalent of the regular German army.   The German Army did most of the fighting and dying in WWII, but they weren't necessarily Nazis.   The Nazis were busy running the concentration camps, etc, and they were just as ruthless when dealing with any army regular who didn't do as ordered.

The average German army soldier signed up for the same variety of reasons that people enlist in the military to this day, unfortunately for them their government went batshit and sent them out to serve its own demented ends.

I think that's all the SW stormtroopers are, just ordinary guys doing what their commanding officers tell them.   What are their choices, really?   Shoot that princess, or refuse and get tortured to death by Vader?  Tough call.   

The faceless uniforms also make it easier to say "yay!" when our heroes mow them down by the dozens.  smile

Again, the novel Allegiance touches on this, it's about a squad of troopers who go rogue when they realize they're working for the "bad guys". 

And no, I'm not referencing Allegiance because it's the novel where Pink Five makes a cameo appearance, really I'm not.  Really.  Not.  Really.

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It was never a common assumption that the stormtroopers were clones, back in the day.   Always seemed to me, and still does, that they're just a random assortment of guys who signed up to be troops for the Empire, because the Empire is the reigning goverment after all, so that's the army you sign up for.   

SW books like Allegiance certainly portray them as different people as well, if that counts.

What stormtroopers REALLY are is a cost-effective way to kill the same stuntmen over and over and get away with it, but that's probably not what you were asking.  smile

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Or - since movies lately have tended to have more than one editor, more editors have been getting nominations, and being nominated is the primary way you become an Academy member in the first place.   

So as the percentage of editors within the overall Academy membership grows, relative to other specialties (actor/director membership wouldn't be subject to the multi-nomination effect) their edit-aware votes may be skewing the Best Picture noms toward the better-edited films...

I'm totally spitballing the above, might not actually be true at all.  Just saying that there can be plenty of non-intuitive explanations for things.   

Seriously, either Nate Silver or the Freakonomics guy could probably get a whole book out of finding the hidden oddities of how Oscars get awarded.  Problem is, there's very little data to crunch - the Academy never reveals the actual vote numbers.   So we'll never know if Shakespeare in Love beat Private Ryan by one vote, or a thousand.

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Except there's no correlation between the two categories: editors nominate editors, whereas all Academy voters nominate Best Picture, regardless of whether they know jack about editing or not.   There's no secret society within the Academy that makes adjustments to the overall outcome.

Usually you see the mechanics of the process when things conspicuously DON'T get nominated for something, a la Prince of Tides getting Best Pic/Best Actor/Best Actress noms because the Academy overall liked the movie and the actors' branch thought the performances were worthy, and yet didn't get a Best Director nom because the directors' branch apparently didn't think of Barbra Streisand as being one of the club.   

There are so many factors that it'd take a Nate Silver to crunch the numbers and see if there's any particular reason behind the editor/Best Pic factoid.   I'll bet it's a combination of factors rather than just one, or maybe even just a lengthy run of concidence that will end next year.   But it's definitely not because somebody in the back room is "deciding" it, tho.

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All right, enough bickering.  We all know the very best Spiderman was the one where Morgan Freeman played Dracula.   

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Mr. Pointy wrote:
Astroninja Studios wrote:

Again, I love my boy.  But Spider Man 2 is like some kind of hidden trigger film that unlocks his secret government training and turns him into an unreasonable hate engine.

So he's the Spider-Manchurian Candidate?

Mr. Pointy wins the thread.