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Oh honey, he's kidding. You're no one's favorite.
Fair enough on the which-came-first argument, I stand corrected and withdraw that comment.
I assume that came from the way I equate X-men and Spiderman pretty much. They're all movies that I had no reason to like going in, based on things that I cared not about. But they entertained me, and surprised me at how good they were. Go figure.
In retrospect, I regret not having been part of either Spiderman commentary - I didn't boycott them or anything, I just wasn't available either time. As a person who dislikes superhero comics in general, I never particularly cared for Spiderman (although the theme song from the '60's cartoon still rocks) and yet I really enjoyed the first Spiderman, and pretty much the second one as well. (Sure, the wheels came off the Spiderwagon on the third lap, but they had two good turns before then.)
I don't get the dislike for the Spiderman flicks that my fellow DIF'ers all seem to share (in WILDLY varying degrees). Those movies were the first to say, hey lookie, costume hero movies don't have to be camp, they can actually be pretty okay, and even have characters in them that you can relate to.
Obviously you have to accept the goofball idea that being bitten by a radioactive spider makes you into some kinda spider-man instead of a guy with a mildly radioactive bump on his wrist, but okay, one piece of magic, go on. That ain't nothing compared to what X-Men asks you to buy.
And there wouldn't have been any X-Men movies anyway - at least not as sophisticated as the ones we got - if Spiderman hadn't already raised the bar for men-in-tights flicks and shown they could have plots and characters just like "real" movies do.
So yeah, putting the inhibitor chip there was a dumb design, but otherwise I thought S2 was pretty good stuff myself.
Well, the Best Picture category sometimes gets clogged with what - quoting Goldman again - can be called "medicinal movies". Basically they're movies that are deemed Good For You because They Say Important Things That Need To Be Said, and thus make Hollywood All Relevant and Stuff.
Crash being the most recent egregious example - You're Right, Movie - Racism Is Bad! Have an Oscar. Gandhi was an important person, why yes he was. Thank you movie for reminding us, have an Oscar!
Hurt Locker clearly got a We Support The Troops bump, whether or not that's what put it on top of Avatar The Mere Blockbuster we'll never know.
Another Goldman category is "A Famous Movie Actor Directed It, Isn't That Awesome", which accounts for Ordinary People and Dances With Wolves and Braveheart. (That last one had to be close, but I guess Braveheart beat Apollo 13 because Ron Howard wasn't as famous as Mel.)
Annie Hall vs Star Wars, well, I still have a hard time feeling bad about that because that's about as apples-and-oranges as you can get. They're both classic movies, but only one could win and one did.
Of course there are some years you just can't figure out at all. Shakespeare in Love over Private Ryan? And Silence of the Lambs??? I love that it won, but how the hell does THAT happen? Some years it's just the way the final five stack up against each other.
But however it happened, I'm glad Return of the King got the Oscar, because it's a goddam masterpiece. If David Lean had been a fantasy-prone guy, he'd have made movies like that, and probably gotten an Oscar for them too. Unless somebody made a Very Important Movie about Returning Library Books that year.
I'm simplifying a bit here, but I think it's because studios are continuing to focus more and more on big-budget spectacles designed to make a lot of money back. The Transformers movies make tons of money, but very few people would call them "good", except maybe the guys in Accounting.
Some movies manage to be both crowd-pleasing spectacles AND good, I'd put the Potter series on that list myself. And Chris Nolan manages to bridge that gap - although even he would never have gotten to make a movie as complicated and marketing-unfriendly as Inception if he hadn't broken the bank with a couple of Batman movies first. Batman was the reason those movies got made, Nolan was the reason they were more than just Batman movies.
Social Network I suspect got the greenlight because "kids like that Face Book, right?" But Fincher and Sorkin ended up making a fascinating character study that the kids didn't actually go see. So that one got through because it seemed like a moneymaker, and - unfortunately for the Accounting department - turned out to just be a good flick.
William Goldman has described the Oscars - I'm paraphrasing - as the day each year when Hollywood gets all dressed up and tries to tell themselves they still make worthwhile movies and not just pandering crap. So when it comes time to vote for Best Picture, it's less likely than it used to be that the Best Picture was also the biggest moneymaker, because that's become two very different kinds of movies.
So I went to the VFX bakeoff this year, like I have for more than a decade, and watched the presentations for the seven potential nominees. (I'm not an Academy voter, but anyone can actually attend the event.)
This year was very different than any previous year because of the rules change that allowed for five nominations instead of three. So instead of "Which three will make the cut?" the question was "Which two are gonna be not-quite-good-enough?" And with the votes being split so much finer now, handicapping the final nominees suddenly got much harder.
Coming out the door, I told the friends I was with that Scott Pilgrim was dead. They didn't believe me, but I was pretty darn sure we'd just seen it lose, judging from the vibe in the room after the clip screening.
I also said the Scott Pilgrim FX reel had instantly shifted the movie from my "gotta see that soon" list to my "good god, I don't EVER want to see that" list.
I realized too late that I'd said all the above while standing five feet away from the Scott Pilgrim FX team. Awkward.
Ten, twenty years from now, Scott Pilgrim will maybe be looked back on as a classic and maybe even quaint, like watching the original King Kong or something. But right now, if you go to the FX bakeoff and look at the roped-off Academy member section, you see a hell of a lot of gray hair. And I suspect that a significant number of the old fogeys - like me - got about three minutes into the Scott P. fx reel and then just started praying for it to stop hurting us. Maybe it's a good movie as a whole, but that FX reel was the filmic equivalent of waterboarding. Sorry Scott. Next!
Hereafter surprised me, it's not a wall-to-wall fx movie, it basically just has the tidal wave sequence and not much else fx-wise. But that sequence is perfection. it does what FX are actually supposed to do - support the story being told. The tidal wave scene is brutal and horrifying and completely works.
I still am not particularly interested in the rest of the movie - apparently it's about ghosts or something - but that first seven minutes is a work of art. Even so, I didn't think there'd be enough support in the room to have Hereafter make the cut, and I'm extremely pleased that it did. For once, "best fx" didn't just mean "most fx".
Inception - a movie I'm completely impressed by on all levels. I'm just not sure I like it. I saw it when it came out and then promptly mostly forgot everything about it. But in the FX reel, when the kid from 3rd Rock From the Sun started running around the spinny corridor, that was a guaranteed nomination right there, the rest of the reel was almost unnecessary.
Iron Man 2 - sequels are tough, often they don't make the cut if they're just repeating fx from the first one without bringing anything new to the party. Iron Man 2 was looking a little repetitive at first, but when that suit-in-a-suitcase popped open, an entire audience of jaded fx people audibly went "ooooo" in unison. Bing. Nomination. Done.
Alice in Wonderland - a movie I had zero interest in seeing going in, now I'm kinda interested. Tim Burton doing what Tim Burton does, so I dunno if the story is any good, but those were some pretty pictures.
Alice was of the two movies presented in 3-D (Tron being the other), and there couldn't be more difference between them as far as the 3D effects. Both got questions about the 3D, for Tron the questioner said essentially, So how come your 3D effects weren't painful and bad? And the answer was "because we designed the 3D from the start to not call too much attention to itself."
Alice got a similar question, except it was "so did you do anything different fx-wise once the film became a retro-active 3d movie?" And Ken Ralston said - as accurately as I can quote him - "We had nothing to do with that grr em hmmm rmmm grr any other questions?"
Me, I liked Alice a lot better after the first minute of the reel, when I closed one eye so the 3D went away.
Harry Potter Whichever One It Is - the perennial bridesmaid of the FX Oscar. Every single one has been in the bakeoff, and almost none of them got nominated. The fx have never been any less than great (assuming we nobly avert our eyes from the Quidditch match in the first movie and speak no more of it), and yet every year Harry never seems to make the final cut. I half-assumed this year would be the same, since everybody knows there's one more coming and they could just wait and give that one the "Return of the King Award For Doing Lots of Stuff" in 2012.
The Potter fx were just as good as ever this year, but I suspect it's mostly just the shift from three to five nominees that got Harry through the gate. So congrats Harry, but don't write a speech yet. You won't need it until next year.
And finally - Tron. A movie I had no desire to see. A movie whose very existence I bemoan and shake my fists at the gods for allowing to happen. Until I saw the FX reel. Jeezus. Sure, it's all just eye candy, but more delicious candy my eyes have ne'er consumed.
Crap. Now I gotta watch that thing. Tron is the yin to Scott Pilgrim's yang.
And the FX supervisor did exactly the right thing in his Tron introduction - he reminded the audience that the original Tron was excluded from FX consideration because computers were "cheating". And all those gray heads laughed and nodded at the memory of the shortsighted gray heads who ran things back then.
And then the reel, which was so incredible that even a hater like me wanted to see that movie. And the question after about how even the 3D was so nicely done... and so on. Add it up and no way, no day does Tron not get nominated. Locked, done, moving on.
And somehow... it didn't. I have no way, no way at all to explain how that could possibly have happened. Honestly, I am at a loss. Not since Revenge of the Sith NOT getting a nomination have I been this surprised.
So anyway, with Tron shockingly out of the running Inception is gonna win the VFX award in a walk. Because the final winners are voted upon by all members of the Academy, regardless of their branch, so the techie awards invariably go to the hit movies because everybody saw them.
And because the 3rd Rock Kid in the spinny corridor was cool.
I like you, Shifty. That's why I'm going to kill you last.
I can't take credit for that one myself - as I recall, I saw it as somebody's sig on theforce.net.
But yeah, it does make one realize the importance of perspective, don't it?
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