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Frankly, it's like we discussed in the Ghostbusters commentary: a good comedy is a drama with jokes. Which means that you're looking at following classic structure in many cases -- just, with jokes.
Name any comedy that isn't a spoof and I'd say there's a 90% chance you can make a case for the hero's journey. Hell, if we're allowing spoofs -- Spaceballs was mentioned above -- most of those too, since they're probably based on a movie that you can apply the hero's journey to. This is not counting the worthless "spoof" movies of the last five years, which were just a series of other movies' trailer shots with poop added.
Ghostbusters; The Princess Bride; Stripes; Animal House; Honey, I Shrunk the Kids; Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery; Shaun of the Dead; School of Rock; Planes, Trains, and Automobiles; Bruce Almighty; Shrek; Men in Black; Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure; Team America: World Police; There's Something About Mary; Liar, Liar; Home Alone; Wayne's World; Zombieland...
Et cetera.
Holy shit, you just developed the basis of a workable Transformers movie.
I love the idea of the Transformers hiding here because there were already machines like them, and the idea of the Decepticons attacking and not understanding that the machines were not actually the dominant species. Like you say, the movie -- and its sequel -- just about write themselves from that premise.
Their pseudo-religious motivation doesn't quite work (Decepticons need to deceive people, which requires that they, too, disguise themselves), but there's material there to work with.
You did what I (and the actual screenwriters) could not do. Hats off.
Yeah, I should've done that when we did Revolutions. I'll have to review my thoughts on it and either do a recording or write it out like with the prequels.
I think I remember him saying something similar about the media once, although that rang true. That media has neither a liberal bias nor a conservative bias, it has a drama bias. I'd say that was pretty spot on -- although FOX does have a clear conservative bias.
I will say, I like that he calls them "the Penguins." I'm using that.
Yeah, his whole "I AM MAMET HEAR ME ROAR" schtick is really obnoxious and exists in all his non-fiction writings/musings on the art and craft.
At the same time, if you give him a dramatic scene to write the dude will consistently bring the pain. He IS Mamet, it's just a little annoying that he's so aware of it and wants to make sure you are too.
Here's the problem with Studio 60, and I'm not the first one to say this so I can't take credit for the insight: a great deal of time is spent talking about how funny the show is and, in particular, what a brilliant comedy writer Matthew Perry is. But then when we see examples of sketches for this brilliant show, they're fucking lame. It makes it hard to take the show seriously, and the show took itself very seriously -- I think too much so, for the general audience's tastes.
The West Wing had the benefit of being about the leaders of the free world, under a lot of pressure to hold the country -- and really, Western civilization as we know it -- together. It's easy for an audience to get on board with the the drama of "oh shit, a leading and inspiring political figure has been shot and might die!" I haven't even seen West Wing and I can immediately see where it can be a powerful source of drama.
Studio 60 tried to apply the same level of drama to "oh shit, the FCC might not let fake-SNL air their 'Tourette's Jesus' sketch!" (Or whatever, it's been a while.) Generally speaking, who cares?
I liked Studio 60, because I'm interested and engaged in the backroom workings of entertainment. I thought it was cleverly- (if occasionally overly-) written, in that Sorkin way, and wanted to see it continue, but I'm not surprised that it didn't.
And I'm not surprised that 30 Rock is the one that did -- it's consistently funny in a slightly mad "Alice in Wonderland" way (the original story, not that Burton...thing), and while the show-within-a-show's sketches are just as lame as Studio 60's, that's part of the joke rather than being a failing of the premise. 30 Rock mocks the idea that television is SERIOUS BUSINESS, whereas Studio 60 tried to enshrine it.
With the premise "behind the scenes of an SNL-like show," 30 Rock is the manic version of that concept, and Studio 60 the depressive. I would have been happy to have both, I for one enjoyed the contrast; but if we can only have one, I'm personally glad it's 30 Rock.
I didn't see the original until my early 20s, and while I have retro-nerd affection for all the Harryhausen it got on my face, it's kind of a baffling movie and I had trouble getting past the flagrant mythological inaccuracies. Still, it has a charm and a humor and a cleverness that makes it a must-see classic for the geek cred.
The new movie I'm sure will have none of these things. I'm guessing it will be technically flawless without any personality, take itself way too seriously, and have a lot of sweeping camera moves around CG vistas, characters, and creatures in a desperate attempt to convince us we care.
I'll see it, but not on April 2, and not in 3D. Maybe I'll do a matinee $6 screening at AMC.
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