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If our sense of morality came from Christian principles it wouldn't cause us to balk at Christian morality. That makes no sense.

Our sense of morality does not come from cultural Christianity. It comes from our instinctive sense of empathy.

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You think Westboro wouldn't LOVE to throw some folk up on the rack if they could get away with it? The only reason there's been "progress" is because our society has steadily been willing to put up with less and less of religion's (specifically Christianity's) crap over the centuries. Take a look at fundamentalist Islamic countries, though. Shit still happens daily. I literally cannot ever go to Dubai because I would be at risk of arrest or worse for being openly gay.

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If this thread makes you uncomfortable, there are plenty of others you can read instead. I don't come into the Doctor Who thread and try to shut it down just because I don't watch it. We're well below the danger threshold.

Anyway, Pastormacman already offered a solution. I asked him what he would say if a Muslim made the same claims as he did and he said until such a Muslim actually sat in front of him to do so, they could be dismissed as entirely fictional.

Well, if those are the house rules, so be it. Until God registers an account and posts on his own behalf, he may be dismissed as entirely fictional. smile

Besides, if you need proof there's no god, go see THE HOBBIT and remember there's still one more to go.

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If your attitude is "I believe what I believe, I'm not interested in convincing anyone and I refuse to consider alternatives," what are you doing here? This is a thread for discussion, not whatever that is.

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Just got back.

Ugh, garbage. I learned so much from the LOTR making ofs and it's like Jackson is making the wrong choices deliberately. I almost started crying in the theater at how bad it was. I really doubt I'm going to bother with the third film.

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In the way that Heath Ledger, Jack Nicholson and Mark Hamill have all played the "same" character, sure. Ultimately they are not the same religions and consider the others to be wrong/mistaken in a fundamental way.

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Not to mention that every religion's adherents say the exact same thing.

Pastor, a Muslim comes to you and says the exact thing you said here, verbatim except Quran instead of Bible. What is your reaction?

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Shia appears to be on the cusp of making history as the first human being to fail the Turing test.