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Just saw MoS today. My opinion of pretty much everyone involved in the creative process has been lowered substantionally.

In almost every scene there were things I objected to. Either how certain things were handled, how the scene lacks any emotional context to engage me in the moment we are watching, or how obvious things that could have been done weren't done.

This film is a particle effects demo. This is derivative almost to Oblivion levels. I had lowered my expectations going in to it, and yet I could not help from zoning out so many times. This is literally the plot of Transformers 3 (bring the alien world to earth through magic bean/alien device) with the fights from Iron Man 2 and The Matrix rehashed at the end.

The destruction of Metropolis was operating at parody levels. I've seen a few mentions of the movie being bold or noteworthy for actually going to new levels of 9/11 references. In fact this is the most mindless, anonymous, unengaging, video-game destruction I've yet seen, and I fail to see how anyone could relate in any way to it. Cloverfield tearing down buildings was shocking and realistic (monster aside). This movie is the equivalent of playing with a Ragdoll simulation game and trying to relate emotionally with the faceless, grey plastic doll you are continously throwing down stairs in various inventive ways. I don't see how it's even possible.

Hans Zimmer is remixing himself as intensly as ever. I heard a complete re-orchestration of an Angels & Demons theme in here, note for note with the same violin playing. I don't care if they temp-scored it and wanted the same thing, have SOME intellectual integrity.

MoS- Krypton's Last: http://youtu.be/vQh085jWYpQ?t=40s
A&D - God Save Us: http://youtu.be/edH8bFmIgvI?t=3m33s


I NEED someone to Plinkett or FIYH this movie once it hits retail. How did everyone , sans CGI artists and actors doing their best, botch this so badly?

One scene had me emotionally engaged to the point of slight shivers (cold theater though...) and that was the flying scene right after he dons the cape and suit. And anyone could make a CGI scene of a guy shooting through the air with jet sounds and sonic booms, aided by Hans Zimmer having an entire orchestra plus a godless amount of synthesizers playing powerchords, be powerful.


Not only would I not recommend MoS, I would rather watch Transformers 3 over this. This movie actually made me feel this way, and I kind of hate it for it.

Dan wrote:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/88e09c5f0f9d56f3410a67b4e2ca1098/tumblr_mjx6szRSZT1rjcj75o1_500.jpg

Screening notes from the post-production on Blade Runner, originally posted by Jon Cassar on Twitter. This is definitely a good look at why the original theatrical release was butchered in comparision to The Final Cut, what with the "drugged voice over" and all. Alan Ladd also has a complaint about the dressing room sequence.

So they are complaining about the voice overs, yet released the film theatrically with them? Or is this from a screening of a version with even duller voice over performance than the released version?

Nice find BTW. smile

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To The Wonder

http://www.dirx.ru/im/afisha/180050_0_big.jpg


Terrence Malicks new film. Beautiful visuals and sound design, but the rest of it does not have nearly the appeal I found in Tree Of Life.
The characters in The Tree Of Life are shown minimalistically, we see only glimpses of their lives, but they do feel like living, breathing people that we follow through moments, and I could connect to the main story of family, brothers, and the religion aspects.
Here there are not really even characters, basically. You don't really know the first thing about them. They don't say much of anything, they don't do much of anything. Where Tree Of Life showed characters in life both old and young, and where you could get atleast a sense of where they fit in to the world of the film, here we just spend time with characters with unknown backstory, unknown work descriptions, unknown friends, unknown interests, unknown everything. Tree Of Life showed us moments through life of the characters doing things or being exposed to situations and choices. To The Wonder feels flat and one-dimensional, characters frozen in time. The film ponders what love is, but we hardly see anything resembling love in the film, other than people kissing or running through windswept fields.

To sum up, if you really love the look of beautiful cinematography shot masterfully on film (I could spend the entire film just looking at the color, highlight saturation and shadow detail in it), see it. If you thought the Tree Of Life was unrewarding storywise, this is far more abstract and almost non-dimensional.

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For those who love Melo-death or Thrash, here's Sylosis:

These guys are simply amazing.

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The Call

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FeJ2WPuAOBc/UU0JtP3QykI/AAAAAAAAJu4/xfRuehz2nHQ/s1600/the+call+2.jpg


Thriller in the vein of "Cellular". Small movie with a surprisingly engaging plot and solid performances which ultimately is completely let down by having a 13 year old, who has watched nothing but teen slashers, write the ending.

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I have no general memory bank of posters that I have liked in the past. But looking through IMDb I remembered how much I love this one, it works really well both as a work of art, as a description of the movie itself, and the hour glass shape may not be entirely apparent at first, but once you know what the movie is about you may gain an extra layer of appreciation for the design.


http://livingincinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/127-HOURS-one-sheet.jpg

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Since "The Sting" is the next movie, here's Bill Hader in a sketch about it. If anyone works with audio alot or enjoy sound design/ADR, this is comedy gold.


BigDamnArtist wrote:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/bdc5bee31b80b579de5a90a8ea9f1858/tumblr_mnkvu8fs2v1r24z09o1_500.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/b878fcffd42bd8c23f58aba497768e99/tumblr_mnkvu8fs2v1r24z09o2_r1_500.gif


Bowie really has a young Clint Eastwood thing going on here.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

Apparently, the original idea was that the movie would take place in the modern day, and would be identical thematically. Instead of a crashed spaceship, it would be a crashed car, in a remote mountain region. I can't even imagine how much better that movie would be.


That sounds alot more interesting than CG tigers and shit flying at the screen.

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I think I've basically only seen Charles Dance in LAH but with that movie, and that picture, I think it's safe to say he is a pretty cool guy.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

Is anyone actually going to see this? Hahaha jk obviously not. Especially since it might secretly about Scientology. Mike Nelson shared this on Twitter. SPOILERS, of course.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/05/after-ea … ology.html


After recent Shyamalan films it will take alot of good feedback from others for me to see it. Reading in scientology stuff might be appropriate, but I can see this being confirmation bias and something that can be done on alot of other movies with no scientology connection. Unless the script writer confirms that the intentions were to draw from scientology for the themes (and the themes being specific enough, I mean, conquering fear is a pretty general theme and you could read any number of religious or non-religious origins into that).

Though I read a recent interview with the Smiths about multidimensional math and some of their views sound pretty far out of the sphere of reality.

BigDamnArtist wrote:

Baumgartner


Gesundheit.





Jimmy B wrote:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/griffengreen/734148_10151434150906003_1669238598_n_zps9f3cfe4a.jpg

Is this from old or new Conan?

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avatar wrote:
TechNoir wrote:

I don't really even know who is in it besides Cavill and Russell Crowe. When I know I will be watching a film I usually go into lockdown mode.

yep - me too. I don't even want to know if the reviews are positive or negative, but that's hard to avoid. Seeing the teaser trailer was enough and when the full trailer showed before IM3 and STID, I wondered what's that piece of fluff on the floor there.

Yep, I recognize that. I tend to love trailers that have as little dialogue as possible, because then I can just look away and not mind hearing tons of explosions etc. Saves me from having to plug my ears and look like an idiot in the cinema. smile

As for Zimmer (@Squiggly), I like Inception for the most part, atleast in the context of the movie where it is superb IMO. My problem lately has been that as standalone listening, his slow repetitive approach with stiff, drawnout themes and little to no detail to make it interesting, his scores can be just so boring on their own. Pirates 3 was the last score from him I really enjoyed at all times, because there is detail inserted everywhere, alot of diversity in the instruments that are used, and the score overall was actually agile (ie he hit alot of points of accentuation and importance throughout). The Batman scores and other stuff just feel like he composed everything ahead of time, and without detailed reference to the scenes. If that is the case he also cannot really allow himself to actually make the score interesting, since he cannot accidentally signal to the audience that something is emotionally or otherwise changing if this isn't reflected in the movie. He's forced to making 2-3 minute underscore pieces that only serve to bring across the most basic of emotions the scene is supposed to convey.

For reference (and because why not post good Zimmer music at any point), this is the ending of Pirates 3 with the fight as the ships circle the drain of the maelstrom in the storm. There is so much detail and twists and turns here that are matched beautifully to the film. and there is actually some different melodies played off the strings and brass at times instead of the entire orchestra just playing the same stuff at the same time.

http://youtu.be/B5IlxIzL8mw?t=4m54s

I hope he actually puts effort into diversifying the music and adding the smaller nuances that John Williams does so well. There is a way to get Zimmers more powerful approach but also keeping the detail and nuance of other composers. Frankly the nuance and detail is what keeps me coming back to a score. If I can hear a new little layer on the 10th listen of a score, that is the mark of something great for me personally. You listen to the Batman scores and there is absolutely no depth, it's just one layer of brass, string and percussion.

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I don't really even know who is in it besides Cavill and Russell Crowe. When I know I will be watching a film I usually go into lockdown mode.

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I am excited. Tried to avoid alot of things, but the mood that I've gotten from the trailers has been promising.

What I look forward to:

1. Amir Mokri - Cinematographer who has worked on alot of glitzy stuff prior, including Transformers movies and other things for Bay. With the proper intentions this could be a gorgeous looking movie, which the trailers seem to indicate.

2. Shot on film, with anamorphic lenses. Not to diss digital cameras but the more I get into the minutia of photography and the look of film, this movie is probably going to be pure eyeporn.

3. Zimmer is scoring. I know whta he is capable of so I always have hopes that he will make something more than the repetetive stuff of recent years.

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Jimmy B wrote:
Spork wrote:

Looks like it's time to dig out the cube.

I want that on a T-shirt.


http://www.fleximoviedownloads.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Transformer-2007-More-Than-Meets-the-Eye-Movie-Poster-02.jpg

Close enough?

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Saw it, really liked it. My one complaint was that this installment in the series took itself a bit seriously from a character POV. They should be big and dumb and fun, but here the pace is sometimes dropped for prolonged periods of time for serious character interactions and deep emotional connections. I think they should be there, but when 2 characters have been talking for 10 minutes (what feels like...), I started wishing they had either cut it down or atleast picked up the pace a bit in the scene.

I haven't seen many other of the movies in the series so maybe I lack that extra involvement in the characters. But this is why I absolutely love the 5th movie. You don't need to have seen any of the other movies. It's The Italian Job on crack.

"We need to get the... thing."
"OK".
"That guy doesn't want us to get the thing."
"Well... he's mean, so fuck him." *VROOOOM* *CRASH* *Rattattattatta*

...And scene.


As far as action pieces, this one is on par with the 5th one (though I don't think anything will beat the distilled purity of 2 muscle cars dragging a huge vault through a city and using it as a wrecking ball... ever).
I just wish the rest of the package would have been a bit more trim and taken itself a bit less seriously. This series is the one exception where I feel like they should just design it like 5 15 -minute action setpieces, with 5 minutes of plotting inbetween. Because when the action and carnage is as well staged and well shot as it is here, I really cannot get enough of cars smashing into things. There is something primal there that I can't really get enough of.

Also Gina Carano is in it. Didn't know that. Didn't mind it at all.

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If allowed, I will wholeheartedly recommend one.


Thriller - The Chaser

http://fims.kofic.or.kr/upload/up_img/cleansing/x00/04/03/mov_20080046_13826.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1190539/reference


Great film. Bloody, intense story about the hunt for a killer. It is not all what you'd expect from that description. Some twists and turns, and the inherently different sensibilities and cultural differences between eastern and western cinema, make this a real winner. See it.

Thread resurrection:

Just saw "The Fall" from 2006. Liked the story, loved the visuals and cinematography. Shot in over 20 countries in 4 years, there is some spectacular attention to detail in design and execution here.


1. A sequence of dancers beautifully shot, and the transition from the bad guys face to the desert is pretty mindblowing if it is practical, not to mention the one long shot that goes from static landscape to moving in on the actors, not sure how they moved that camera.

http://youtu.be/SbzNrThw_gA?t=1h10m27s


2. This sequence is mindblowingly good, everything about this, the individual things and the way they are edited together is just superb, it flashes to various aspects of the plot discussed earlier in the movie, in contaxt it is quite powerful but just from the camerawork, lighting and editing aspect it is excellent and riveting.

http://youtu.be/SbzNrThw_gA?t=1h23m39s


3. The intro sequence. It won't make much sense, but it is pretty.

http://youtu.be/SbzNrThw_gA?t=10s




EDIT: Also some bonus stuff:

Fast Five. The best action scenes I've seen in years, not necessarily mindblowing, but classy and oh so well edited and choreographed. Whatever CGI there is they hid well.
Just the end of a great sequence:

Train Rescue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCh-HA6p … 89959357B6




Also this one EVERYONE has seen, but the intro to Dark Knight Rises (like The Dark Knight equivalent with the Jokers bank robbery) needs to be here. I can't really stand too much of Hans Zimmers music as it is composed for the Batman movies, but the Bane theme and chant for this sequence is awesome.
Also the sound design here is pretty spectacular great, the planes in particular. The IMAX cameras and shooting on film also gives this sequence a unique aspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNUSDu-Tehg

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Trey wrote:

The part of the equation you're skipping is that the water on Earth doesn't stay in one place - it's in a constant cycle of evaporation and precipitation.   Water evaporates everywhere, and air currents carry the water vapor to other parts of the planet.   Some of the vapor ends up at the poles, where it gets cold and falls as snow.

If global temps are above a certain level, that snow - plus a little extra - melts every summer.   So over time the ice caps shrink, and more liquid water is added to the global system.   That's the state we're in right now.   To be fair, this has been the state of the planet since the end of the last Ice Age - technically we're still IN the last stages of the last Ice Age.  The concept of "global warming" is really about the great acceleration of the warming process that we're seeing now.

Conversely, in a cooling trend the snow at the poles doesn't all melt in the summer.   So every year the poles trap a bit more of the planet's water and prevent it from returning to the sea.   Also, the colder the planet gets, the farther from the poles the "no-melt" zone gets too, and so the ice sheets grow outward as well as upward.   At the height of the last Ice Age, much of North America and Europe were covered in glaciers.   That adds up to a lot of water that isn't in the ocean anymore.

This is the natural process of the planet, it's ongoing every day.  When the overall temperature trends one direction or other, the world's ice/water ratio gradually shifts as well, over thousands of years.   The polar ice sheets have disappeared and re-formed at least five times in Earth's history.   

But nothing in AI suggests an explanation for the completely unnatural scenario of a frozen Earth with a high sea level.

I suspect it's ignorance on the part of the filmmakers, rather than some grand plan, in the case of both AI and Waterworld.   You're right that semi-flooded Manhattan is sorta plausible if the ice caps melted completely.    But "Waterworld" isn't - even with a total thaw there'd still be a lot of land left.


Big thanks for the extensive reply. I didn't account for precipitation, that seems to be the mechanism I was missing like you say. I suppose the filmmakers left alot unstated so one can posit alot of "what if's" but looking at it with any sense of realism, it won't make much sense.

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Trey wrote:

During an Ice Age, the world's water DOES accumulate as ice at the poles, lowering sea levels.  When the planet heats up again, the stored ice melts back into the ocean, raising sea levels again.  That's exactly how it works.

AI would have us believe that sea levels rose a hundred or more feet - presumably due to ice melt, because where else could the water come from?  And then a millenium later the earth froze... but somehow the water didn't recede again.

This would only happen if the whole world froze at once, a la Day After Tomorrow.  Which is theoretically possible for a few reasons - supervolcano eruption, meteor or comet impact, nuclear winter - some sort of disaster that covers the whole planet in heavy cloud or dust, blocking all sunlight and creating freezing temperatures across the entire planet simultaneously.

Although it's possible the movie had that in mind, it doesn't mention it. 

So at face value the movie seems to be saying "Earth warmed up, sea levels rose.  Earth cooled down, sea levels stayed the same".   Which suggests they didn't quite think their clever scheme all the way through.

Unless the movie is suggesting Manhattan sank INTO the sea, which is also rather a silly idea.


Hey Trey. I am deeply ignorant in the subject so excuse any obvious factual flaws and thanks for clarifying. As far as I know even if all polar ice melted  and flowed into the oceans the water level would not rise nearly as much as in A.I. (or Waterworld for that matter, though it doesn't take much for it to become a huge disaster). I figured if the movie went with water implausibly high, as it does, it might also have gone for some disastrous event a la DAT causing a more flashfreeze scenario.

Something I thought of though, during normal ice age > heating > ice age cycles the ice tends to expand from the poles during ice ages, as you mention, and then contract back as the planet heats, causing a percentile change in the volume of ice around the poles. However if ALL ice melted from the poles, as we might presume is necessary for the sea levels to rise nearly as high as they do in the film, might it be correct to think that the poles wouldn't be able to accumulate nearly as much mass as normal once they freeze over again, leaving sea levels higher than normal as in the film?

It would seem to make sense if we consider that. with all ice melted, the poles no longer have a large stockpiled ice mass protruding from the surrounding sea, keeping the sea levels low.
Since the now liquid water will pool in equal levels across the planet, forming a roughly equally levelled surface, if the poles freeze over again during a new ice age, that should mean that the water currently at the poles is converted to ice, but it not being nearly as high or massive as before, and also expanding in volume as it freezes, which will actually further raise the sea levels slightly since the water at the poles gain volume when frozen, giving less room for the rest of it around the planet.


Not expecting an answer unless we have some climatologists on the board, just idle thoughts. smile

As for the movie, I like it, but I think watching it once is enough. So many scenes in the film seem to have been filmed with a very low pace, when they could have been concentrated and distilled to something more efficient. It's like they filmed the scenes and really liked them individually, but then got to the edit bay and realized that they couldn't cut down or around alot of the longer shots or scenes. They could really have cut a few scenes, or done a few more montage scenes since they already have a voice over element. As it is now the film really feels like slow motion alot of the time. You just wish characters would move a bit faster, get to the point a bit sooner, or the editors cutting around long movements or slow expository scenes.

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The guys and Trey discuss the water levels at the end of the film being higher after the polar caps melted, and why they still are high even after the oceans re-froze. The water wouldn't necessarily re-pool around the poles, it would just freeze where it is now. Also frozen water has a higher volume than liquid, so when frozen it would even reach higher over the buildings than when it was liquid.

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Well, when it comes to products, if you suddenly feel a craving for a "blahblah bar" at the supermarket, you obviously know that you didn't come up with the idea or concept, since it exists and is already sold as a product. So the conclusion is that you heard of it somewhere else, ie it's not an original idea of yours. You may not remember exactly where you first heard of it, but you can infer that you indeed had to have heard of it before.

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bullet3 wrote:

Speaking of which, between pissed off Danny Glover, crazy Gary Busey, and asshole Bill Paxton, Predator 2 is totally worth doing as well. I heartily endorse a double episode of Predator and Predator 2.

http://www.chud.com/nextraimages/pred2b.jpg
http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/danny-glover-predator-2.jpg
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/posterx/predator2_3.jpg

Predator 2 is actually not too shabby. It's a sequel I think largely works because it could just as well have been a script about a random alien killing people in the city, and they just wrote the Predator in instead. It doesn't feel like the kind of sequel where the writers are relying on the previous film to account for 50% of the information regarding characters and plot because they cannot be bothered with coming up with a detailed script.

It could just as well, with some very minor tweaks, have been the first in the Predator  series and worked very well on its own.

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Dave wrote:

After that half-time show before the count, I now want to move to Sweden.

I didn't see it, I turned the whole thing off after the Finnish contribution managed to set female equality back about 10 years.
What happened that moved you so... deeply?  Since I live here I might be able to tell you if it will be worth it. smile