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Not exactly a mis-advertised movie, but American Graffiti turned out to be a much different movie from the way I'd seen it described. Much funnier and more interesting—much less like Happy Days or Porky's—than I thought it was going to be. Really a great film.

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Trey wrote:

Even if those are the only John Wayne movies you ever watch, you can still see why he was the biggest star in Hollywood in his heyday.

Brother, you ain't kiddin'. I don't think Wayne ever phoned it in, and he never made a comeback because he never left. Westerns are nearly dead now, but they ruled pop culture for about 70 years. And the Duke was on the top of that heap for about 25.

As long as I'm here, I'll shift gears and recommend '80s adventure DIF hasn't done: Midnight Run, The Rocketeer, and Beverly Hills Cop.

And if you're intrigued by film noir but wary about vintage "gray movies" (as my niece says) with The Big Sleep or Out of the Past, check out Chinatown, a later take and one of the greats.

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If you like DIF's choices so far, any of the better-known stuff of the Coen Brothers, Alfred Hitchcock, and Quentin Tarantino will probably interest you, at the very least. They're genre films that reward reflection and multiple viewings.

Also, think of a classic movie star and watch some of that person's stuff from their heyday—not their later, phone-it-in, maybe-I-can-make-a-comeback days. There is a really, really good reason why Kirk Douglas, Robert Mitchum, James Cagney, Brigitte Bardot, and Ingrid Bergman were big stars: they were fucking awesome to watch.

Don't watch movies that are outside the genres you like just because they're considered great movies (unless you're really just trying to broaden your experience). You're not going to enjoy John Wayne's best western if you don't like horse opera or Astaire & Rogers' best musical if you don't like singing and dancing or Bette Davis' best bitch-out if you don't like melodrama.

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As a non-viewer, I have no opinion, but I'm curious. Do you think that the producers of Lost actually made it up as they went and then read the Internet discussions and picked the best explanations from there?

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DorkmanScott wrote:

[stuff]

I wish I had something more to say here than "Now I see what you mean, and I agree completely."

EDIT: Wait. I thought of something. Where was Qui-Gon's lazy ass at the beginning of New Hope? And at the end of Jedi? And did evil Darth Vader discover the secret of becoming a Force ghost as a Sith? Did he slice up Obi-Wan in New Hope and then sit meditating for several days before going "Oh crap! I know what he means now! Damn, I've got some work to do. Best not let the Emperor know I'm gonna practice some light-side post-death Force projection. Gotta keep all my options open."

Of course maybe it's not just a light-side thing. But you know the emperor would have been all over it if it had been an option for him. And it would have been hilarious if, at the end of Jedi, the Emperor gets tossed down the well shouting "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you ever imagiiiiiiiiiiiiined!"

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redxavier wrote:

Anyway, I'm rambling.

No, no, no, this is great! I honestly thought that I just missed the whole explanation of this in the movie when I saw it, because it totally did not make sense to me for the reasons you've just described. Now I realize that the explanation just isn't in the film.

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BrianFinifter wrote:

Every story needs to have a point and exist to tell that point. ... When you create the magic bean, you're doing it to help you communicate that point. And that bean shouldn't allow you to do anything else other than what's necessary to communicate your point. When you know what you're point is, you know what you need your magic bean to do and nothing else. When you don't, it becomes the storytelling equivalent of rambling.

I think you're restricting the concept of the magic beans too much, tho. You're almost conflating it with a Macguffin, actually (altho a Macguffin typically doesn't actually do anything in the story; people just want it for its potential or value). The magic beans fill in the blank in the trailer opening "In a world where __", and that should make you want to visit that world. Sometimes it's one fairly simple thing (robots and people from the future can travel back in time to change history), but sometimes it's a whole crazy world of magic and fantasy creatures.

I think we should think of some examples of where the writer introduces too many magic beans or introduces them too late and then talk about them specifically. In the SW prequels, I think we can all agree that things like retroactively giving R2 rockets and introducing midi-chlorians (why is that not in the spell-checker?!) are examples of Lucas changing the rules of his characters/universe after they have been well established, and that causes many viewers to stop willingly suspending their disbelief.

For me—and I know this must seem weird—X-Files did the same thing when they actually confirmed the existence of real aliens. I was totally on board with weird earth-bound biology and so on, but Roswellian space aliens made me kind of groan. I kept watching, but I was in it for the creepy monster-of-the-week eps and not for the alien conspiracy arc.

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Jeffery Harrell wrote:

The point of divergence is that, seeing a possible Constitutional crisis looming, Congress called for a special election in November of 74, in which Ford won a full term and was reelected in 78....

Ford elected to two terms?! Now that's some magic beans!

I say Rockefeller took the nom away from Reagan (Nixon's rivals in '68), but was defeated in the general election by none other than Lauren Bacall.

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The audience has to know what the magic beans do (create giant beanstalks that reach up to a cloud-land where a giant lives) but it is not necessary to explain how (Shakespeare waves off Hamlet's father's ghost with: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy").

What makes the magic beans magic beans is that the audience implicitly knows that they must accept them without question and willingly suspend their disbelief or else the rest of the story isn't going to be any fun, whether that's magic beans, light sabers, or talking animals.

It's when you add a second, unrelated or contrary type of magic bean that audiences become upset because you have effectively changed the rules of your story's universe. For me, that's adding the bizarre, religio-deterministic prophecy of "the one" to the science fiction of The Matrix. Alice in Wonderland actually does not do that, and therefore "Wonderland" a poor choice of examples of "magic bean proliferation". AiW works because it has just one central conceit (the literary term for "magic beans"): a bizarre land of Victorian pop culture characters exists that can be accessed via a rabbit hole.

A TV series is inherently different from a film, tho, because in a series, you expect the universe of the story to be expanded as it goes. Star Trek: TOS is a good example of that; crazy new shit happening all the time underscores the central conceit that we are exploring places (ludicrously far apart and populated by creatures often ridiculously similar to ourselves) where no man has gone before.

Of course, there is the danger, as seems to have happened in Lost for a lot of people (I wasn't a viewer), that you will unveil a new wrinkle in the fabric of your universe too late in the story or simply too silly and turn people off. (R2 has rockets?! Supergirl has a super-horse?!)

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Zarban wrote:

It was really only when My Penis met up with Shirley Temple's Pussy....

I feel as tho the comic brilliance of my STP reference has gone unappreciated.

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Kyle wrote:

... and probably a concussion or two.

Not to be a word Nazi, but I think you mean "prolaby a comcussion or two". Have you been checked for brain damage? It supposably tends to show up first as a qualming of the vocabumary.

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My Penis wasn't smooth or soothing. It was unapologetically hard—even ugly. But it could rock whole stadiums full of screaming girls for hours and leave them wanting more. And the mess My Penis made of hotel rooms was legendary. It was really only when My Penis met up with Shirley Temple's Pussy that it finally settled down.

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DorkmanScott wrote:

The name of the band:

"My Penis."

Try to discuss that band without saying something awesome. Or rather, to demonstrate the point: Try to discuss My Penis without saying something awesome.

My Penis certainly has legs, but—a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away—my college roommate joked that he wanted to call his band the Penises, so they could be introduced on stage as "the up-and-coming Penises". To be fair, tho, I suspect that Ben Franklin, Lord Byron, and Geoffrey Chaucer all also previously thought of it.

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There was another one talked about during The Core. Did you save the chat log? I remember typing it in while you were talking about it so it was in the log, but it escapes me now.

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1. New York City is everything it's cracked up to be, good and bad.

2. Washington, DC. It's hard to believe we didn't fuck up the architecture and we've managed to build great museums. Never went outside the historic city center....

3. Las Vegas is surprisingly great.

4. The Netherlands seem like a small town and big city everywhere you go. Extremely nice people; graffiti everywhere. (Only place in Europe I've visited)

5. Disneyworld was pretty damn amazing when I was a kid.

Honorable mention: Cincinnati and Chicago. Great towns. Pittsburgh is surprisingly good too, but Pittsburgh drivers will run your ass over even if you're in the crosswalk with the walk signal.

Dishonorable mentions: Newark is a shithole and Milwaukee stinks of beer. Hawaii wasn't great, but Christmas is the wrong time of year.


Question....

Top five historical heroes....

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Well that was very entertaining, but of course not really the same as a regular commentary. A good first run, for sure. It was tough to stay in sync, given the video drift and lag. Matt figured out how to fix the audio once he realized it was so bad people were bailing; that's cool. And once we got into a rhythm of non-time-code sync cues, that was helpful.

Uh, what else? We can't really see your facial expressions, and there's a good bit of blurring in fast motion moments. Just something to be aware of... MST3K did pretty well, and they were just silhouettes...

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Well that was very entertaining, but of course not really the same as a regular commentary. A good first run, for sure. It was tough to stay in sync, given the video drift and lag. Matt figured out how to fix the audio once he realized it was so bad people were bailing; that's cool. And once we got into a rhythm of non-time-code sync cues, that was helpful.

Uh, what else? We can't really see your facial expressions, and there's a good bit of blurring in fast motion moments. Just something to be aware of... MST3K did pretty well, and they were just silhouettes...

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I love Orson Welles, but Citizen Kane does nothing for me beyond the early newspaper scenes and the aside about catching a glimpse of a girl decades before.

But I love genre films, and it's a pure drama character assassination of a real person. The only way to get further away from films I'm interested in is to go to, say, a heartbreaking tale of a teenage girl rebelling against her mom.

Trey wrote:

So is there really a Steam Pipe Trunk Distribution Venue?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkaNWkgrfxQ

There must be, because the White House is heated by steam pipes from a boiler in another building. But the steam pipe trunk would be a huge cast iron pipe with multiple branches. I don't see any steam pipes at all in that office.

I think that scene is supposed to be in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next door (the offices of the White House staff, rather than the White House proper). But the WW TV show really played fast and loose with the geography (I have a page on its version). There's no such place as the Mural Room; there haven't been bullpens on the main floor since 1935; the Press Briefing Room is in totally the wrong place...

downinfront wrote:

What is the 60,000th most common English word?

"yachtswomen"

Actually, the full list is a compilation 4 international dictionaries (part of Alan Beale's 12 Dictionaries project), so they aren't ordered. But I do have an ordered list of the 1000 most common words ("the" to "teeth").

Mayhew Lemaître wrote:

Zarban, when you leave comments about Tysto commentaries on your website (which is great, it's how i discovered DiF), are you commenting about... yourself? wink

<sigh> Yes. My nerdery knows no bounds. Commenting on my own commentaries... Documenting the White House sub-basements.... Keeping a spreadsheet of the 60000 most common English words and their spelling irregularities....

...Now I've said too much.

I've learned that I'm not a sharing person, but I am a giving person. Well, not so much a "person" as a nerd. I intensely document TV and film commentaries available on the Web (Zarban.com). And I make commentaries of my own (Tysto.com). And I intensely document the history and architecture of the White House (WhiteHouseMuseum.org).

And I have other interests that are even more nerdy.

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That's be awesome. That means these sync issues will go away fairly soon, as people switch to Blu-ray and online formats.

As you know, I listen to a lot of fan commentaries. UK PAL runs a little less than 4% faster than US NTSC (at least according to Windows Media Player's incremental playback speed settings). I haven't noticed that that's any different with Blu-Ray vs DVD, but that's comparing them to PAL and not each other.

Now, I also do commentaries myself via Skype with the Doctor from Speakeasy Commentaries. He's in the UK and feeds me the video in the US. Even so, we somehow remain in perfect sync whether I'm watching an NTSC DVD or Blu-Ray. Maybe his video ripping software converts his PAL DVDs to 24 fps or something.

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Kyle wrote:

It took me a legitimate four or five tries to get through Master and Commander.  I enjoyed everything I saw every time, as I'm a bit of an enthusiast for that period of history, but it just moved too slowly for me to be able to sit down and invest a chunk of my time into it.  When I finally did, yes, great movie, but man does it drag when you really want to see more naval battling.

I was really fired up for M&C. I had read about 14 of the novels, and Crowe and Bettany seemed perfect. I don't fault the film for lumping three or so books together, but I was really disappointed that they didn't do the sensible thing and show the characters' first meeting and their gradual rise to prominence. The two characters' parallel (but very different) ascendancy and their friendship despite rivalry over women are what make the books great, and they were an especially big part of the early books. Instead, the movie is just one big shipboard chase—and a strangely slow one.

I own it, but I don't think it would make that good of a DIF commentary.

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You mean I'm seeing into the future?! My god... it's full of stars....