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I've just watched Escape from New York for the first time, and it was... frustrating.

I was introduced to Carpenter a couple of months ago, when a friend made me watch The Thing from 1982. I thought it was utterly fantastic, and I loved it unreservedly. It was tight, without wasted moments, tense the whole way through, and best of all, it started and ended at exactly the right places.

And that was the thing that Escape utterly failed at. None of the scenes outside of New York work. At all. Any of them. (With the possible exception of Snake and the Warden's last couple of lines.) Everything that happened before the glider sails over the barrier wall is a boring, soggy mess. We don't need scenes of Snake being helicoptered in, or guards patrolling walls, or a vector graphics map of New York with labels like "Statue of Liberty Island". We especially don't need scenes of some crazy woman crashing Air Force One, or unconvincing military air traffic controllers explaining story at radar screens. The worst are the scenes of Snake being given a dissolving pill injection (?) that will poison him in exactly 24 hours (??) that can be neutralized with X-rays (???).

But I'm not just here to gripe -- I'd like to propose a solution.

Open the movie with the glider sailing over the wall at night. Intercut with opening credits. Show Snake's face lit by the glow of his instrumentation, but omit any scenes of people outside of the prison walls. This entire film should take place inside New York Penitentiary. The audience doesn't know yet what the deal is with this place, or what Snake is doing there. He flies in past Liberty Island, and crash-lands on top of the Twin Towers.

When he finds the plane, you can tell that this was his objective. When the camera pans up to the markings on the side -- Air Force One -- the audience can start to piece together the plot for themselves. I don't think anybody would be confused about what was going on. We don't need the Warden talking to some military guy saying "The President's plane crashed inside our inexplicable Manhattan Island Prison, on the other side of that crazy ridiculous wall we built." The reasoning behind the New York Penitentiary really is inexplicable... so don't explicate it.

When Snake arights the old chair and sits down to think, he rubs his neck and then glances down at the watch-timer. The sharper audience members will clue in to the fact that they've done something to him, and something will happen when that timer runs down. Cyanide? Pacemaker gives out? Doesn't really matter -- we get the point.

All of these subtle scenes are already in the movie, they're just gutted of tension by having them explained over and over again by the people outside the prison, treating the audience like they're too slow to understand.

From there, the movie proceeds as usual, only with all scenes from outside the prison cut.

It's possible that you could leave the ending couple of scenes. By that point, we've followed Snake through this tense nightmare, and we're due a little breathing room and relief at the end. And like I said, I do love Snake's "I'm tired. Maybe later."

I am aware that this would make the movie about 52 minutes long. But hey, if the story only merits 52 minutes, then damnit, it should only be 52 minutes. Maybe you could have Carpenter make a short horror film, and pair the movie to that, the way that Disney did, and still does (see Winnie the Pooh's opening short, Nessie). Those 52 minutes would be intense.

Thoughts?

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*follows link to Skinny Steve article*
*opens original plate*
*opens final shot*
*blinks*
Jeebus.

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Cool. Thanks, guys. smile

That sounds totally in-character for Cameron.

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I'm not familiar with the Jim Cameron Oscar story that you guys referenced in the episode. Is there any way I could convince one of you to relate it? Maybe just the Cliff's Notes version?

Thanks. smile

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Meyer's commentary is a good listen too (in addition to the DIF one).

Really? I listen to loads of commentaries, and I can't remember one that I turned off halfway through in disgust, aside from that one. Meyer just came off as a crotchety old bastard, complaining about the new kids, and the other guy on the commentary just kind of brown-nosed to him the whole time, so it became this positive feedback loop that just shoved Meyer's head up his own butt.

Whew, man. Maybe it bugged me more than I thought. smile

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Somehow, this episode made me want to read Dragon Tattoo.

Even though you said it's really boring at first. I'm not totally sure what this says about me. So...

Challenge accepted.

Jurassic Park is my favorite novel, and the single book that has affected my life more than any other.

My Dad loved Michael Crichton, and gave me Jurassic Park when I was a dinosaur-loving fourth grader, just a couple of years before he died. I didn't get to see him much even when he was alive, because my parents were divorced and lived on opposite coasts, so giving me books was the biggest way he impacted my childhood. Up until then, I had been kind of indifferent to the books he gave me.

My mother forbade me from reading Jurassic Park, so I read it, and it transformed me as a person. Overnight, I went from a non-reader to one of the most voracious readers of science fiction and fantasy you've ever met. I am now a computer programmer with a CS degree, and I write sf in my spare time.

Anyway, that doesn't necessarily translate into me worshipping Crichton or anything. He wrote a whole lot of mediocre stuff in between his greats. I'd give somebody The Andromeda Strain, Sphere, Congo, Jurassic Park, or The Lost World any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

A lot of his books feel like his ideas and writing are coming into clearer and clearer focus, and that all of his storytelling came to a point in Jurassic Park. Compare, for example, Congo to JP. The role the gorillas play in the story is almost a prototype of the role raptors play in JP. Post-JP, I think he gets a little bit indulgent with himself as far as his writing goes. It gets more and more bloated.

Some people say that most people only have one story to tell, and that they tell it in different forms for their whole life. I'm not sure if I really agree with that, but Crichton is a good example in its defense. You only have to look at Teague's Crichton Template. That's Michael Crichton's story, and I think Jurassic Park was the greatest telling of it.

He definitely went a bit kooky with regards to stuff like, y'know... science towards the end there. The aforementioned global warming denialism is a good example. I also seem to remember a speech delivered by a character at the end of The Lost World (obviously acting as a mouthpiece of the author, something Crichton did quite a bit) about how people used to believe in Fairies and now they believe in electrons, but that those things will pass, and future generations will think that we're foolish for believing in those things. Which... just... no, dude. There's a difference between those two things, and the difference is that we can prove electrons exist. Just... gah.

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This is the greatest idea in the history of ideas.

Go, Eddie. Go.

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Sounds cool. I love The Intermission.

Just don't stop commentaries altogether. I love those things, man.

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Heh. Fair enough.

And now I shall be a fanboy and quibble over details, so feel free to ignore the rest of this post if you're not interested in Ghibli discussions.

In the case of Spirited Away, I think you're crediting the film with a reliable narrator, when a key part of the movie is that the story is told through the lens of an unreliable narrator -- a child. When you're a child, adults tend to be either good or bad, with no middle ground. So yep, the old witch is the villain throughout most of the movie, and then swings into a grey and understandable character right at the end. I think that's a triumph of storytelling, because Chihiro has grown and matured, so that by the climax her worldview allows for an adult who might have both good and bad qualities, or who might be mean and full of bluster, but whose actions speak of a person who's understanding and practices tough love. That arc of Chihiro's understanding is told through the animation and story, and told brilliantly.

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What's funny is that Lassetter claims to worship Miyazaki as one of the greatest animation directors ever. But their other flicks are the really amazing ones. Only Yesterday, Whispers of the Heart, Grave of the Fireflies...  These films could be made as live action dramas.

Squiggly_P: I disagree with your stance on Miyazaki. He is and always has been the driving creative force behind Studio Ghibli. I love the movies you name, in large part because getting other directors to inject their DNA into a Ghibli production keeps the storytelling sharp and fresh, and I see can see their influence folded back into Ghibli's style.

Are those movies really better than Princess Mononoke, My Neighbor Totoro, or Spirited Away?

What criteria are we using here, anyway? You said "amazing," but do you mean influential, or original? Or are we just talking about quality? Or personal preference?

It sounds a bit like your criteria might be "could be made as a live action drama," whereas the thing that impresses me is when an animated movie tells a resonant story that would be difficult or impossible to tell as a live action drama, or would at least lack the lyricism and visual imagery of something like Spirited Away.

And certainly from an animation standpoint, Miyazaki is the genius behind Ghibli. In a sense the films you name are examples of other directors telling their stories through the animation style of Miyazaki.

...I'm not entirely sure what my driving point is, here. I just love Hayao Miyazaki.

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"Hey, Starbuck. What do you hear?"
"Nothing but the rain."
"Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."

This callout from BSG makes no sense until you see Starbuck in her viper cockpit with shrapnel pinging it and it sounds like rain. I just assume their callout makes sense as an inside academia joke. *shrug*

That's one of my absolute favorite moments from BSG, by the way. Gah, I love sf.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you do not have to be high, you just have to have been there. Silly inside jokes do not require people to be on drugs.

An interesting take on this topic, from the other side of the fence - excerpts from an interview with Ron Meyer, the head of Universal.

Huh. This is really weird, but... I find Ron Meyer instantly likeable. I appreciate when guys are as forthright as he is in that interview. Cool beans.

Hey, for lack of other Intermission topics, you guys could always discuss trailers and prospects of upcoming movies. smile

...

And hey, I am stoked for Neil DeGrasse Tyson in Cosmos.

Here's my NDT story:

I got to meet him at a book signing following an interactive Q&A astronomy lecture. Because I love astronomy and sf, I wore my Nostromo t-shirt.

This one:
http://www.cafepress.com/+long_sleeve_m … ,346252171

I kept telling myself that it wasn't a test, and that it wouldn't bother me if he didn't recognize the name, or get the reference, but what can I say? It was a test.

I got up to the signing table, and he said, "Wait a second. Is that the ship from Alien, or Aliens?" I said something to the effect of "I think I love you."

True story.

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Whew, man, am I resuscitating a thread here or what? To make things worse, I'm doing it so that I can be That Guy.

I watched The Abyss with my Mom last night, who has been a cardiac nurse lo these 15 or so years. Today I'm listening to the commentary, and you mention that it's dumb of the characters to keep doing CPR for so long on Linds. While we were watching the movie, my Mom thought it was dumb of them to stop doing CPR so soon. She explained that when somebody is hypothermic and extremely cold, they are able to be resuscitated for a longer period than you would expect, sometimes as long as ten or fifteen minutes without brain damage. So, in her opinion, they should have done CPR and occasional defibs in shifts for a solid fifteen minutes before declaring her dead.

She did agree with whatever nameless EMT you mentioned who said that they should be trying to warm her up first and foremost, though.

She does not condone slapping the corpse.

Medical accuracy ftw.

I recall people talking about how the format that the porn industry supported would be the one that would win the war.

I suddenly pictured The Porn Industry as this elite, secretive council, that coordinated its movements and pulled strings behind-the-scenes at every porn studio, ruling them, and making them a unified, unstoppable force.

I also remember thinking Wait a second. People still buy porn on round silicon things that they have to hide in the closet? Do they not have computers?

That argument still baffles me.

I've been calling 'em blurries on the show for years.

I AM THE INVENTOR OF BLURRY.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyy, you're right. Maybe that's where I got it from?

Very well. I accept and honor your claim of coinage. smile

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Conan the Barbarian.

Whenever I'm sick or upset, I get a pint of ice cream, cover myself with a blanket, and cry at all the sad parts.

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Yeah, I'm sad that we'll never get HD Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It's kind of in the same boat as B5. They lowered the image res to TV levels before doing the special effects, so if they did do a Buffy Blu-ray, they would have to re-do every single special effects shot from scratch, and that's just not going to happen.

Oh man, for an excellent example, check out the first few James Bond movies on Blu-ray. Dr. No looks like it was filmed last year, and is just a period piece set in the sixties. The picture is stunning.

...

Does anybody else refer to Blu-ray as "blurry"? Not in a derogatory way, just in a... "Why did you choose a name that sounds like blurry, you dumb marketing people?" way.

I guess by my logic, they should have called the technology "Sharp-ray" or something.

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How about a primer on special effects terms, lingo, and concepts?

(I'm always trying to explain resolution and aliasing to people who aren't into computer graphics.)

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Casablanca is the name of a local chain of Mexican restaurants where I live. I've never seen the film, so that's what I think of, and it makes these conversations unintentionally amusing.

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They served gin and tonics and the atmosphere was amazing.

Does anybody else do the thing where when a character in a movie orders a drink, they pause the movie, go to the kitchen, and make the same drink (or an approximation thereof, with whatever ingredients are on hand)? It makes James Bond movies fun.

...

Oh, right, actual topic.

Never seen Lawrence of Arabia, but kinda intend to some time.

I understand why Pinocchio is a classic from a technology standpoint, but I never understood why the story is considered classic. I get irritated every time I watch it at the preachiness. "Don't skip school, or YOU'LL BE SOLD INTO SLAVERY AND TRANSFORMED INTO A DONKEY YOU WORTHLESS LITTLE SHIT."

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/agree, Squiggly_P.

/agree.

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I know this makes me weird, but Sith is my least favorite of the prequels.

I'm pretty sensitive to the tone of a story, and though Phantom and Clones were terrible movies, they were at least consistent with the OT. This is a subtle thing to describe, but I felt like they took place in the same universe. Sith went over some invisible line, and just became a cartoon. Everything was just too crazy and silly. Not grounded enough.

Did anybody else feel like that?

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(I mean talking about dinosaurs, not, like, riding them, though frankly that would be fantastic)

http://io9.com/5843019/the-makers-of-ju … -dinosaurs

Man, apparently Phil didn't get the memo that people interviewed about Jurassic Park should probably be making an effort to be excited about dinosaurs. XD

...also, Lex is not supposed to be that pretty...

...*resists making joke about her being a screamer*