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Dorkman wrote:

Actually no. This is the image (and the hypothetical version where the men pose as she does):
http://sojo.net/sites/default/files/16yGO.jpg

You're quite right. My apologies, I was working from memory and Black Widows pose in that one seemed to line up exactly with the pose I remembered causing all the controversy. They are actually very similar now that I see them side by side.

Dorkman wrote:

Black Widow is posed to appeal to men. Thor and the others are also posed to appeal to men. Her primary function is to look hot. Their primary function is to look badass; if they happen to look hot to certain people outside the targeted audience, that doesn't change the fact that it's not the primary purpose. Some people think feet are sexy. A character who is barefoot isn't necessarily being "sexualized" just because it strikes some people as sexy. Context has a lot to do with it.

You don't think the Black Widow pose was chosen to be badass? I mean, it's not like they have her laying seductively across a car hood wearing lingerie which would make your point to a tee. They have her in a battle pose designed to show off her unique weapon set (and I bet it was hard to find a dynamic looking pose when the weapon they chose to promote is essentially bracelets - sorry "wrist gauntlets"). Plus, as demonstrated by the parody poster, if she was facing the other way everyone could be complaining about how her pose was chosen to highlight her breasts.

Dorkman wrote:

And again, Black Widow's pose on the poster is one of a long string of female characters being forced to pose in absurd ways, and isn't the worst of them by far. It's easy to conclude this is blown out of proportion if you're only looking at the one, or I guess two, images in a vacuum. But what we're talking about is a clear pattern with a long and pervasive history.

Maybe this is why I'm having trouble following the train of thought where this image is concerned. It certainly seems like there is a problem within some movies and comics and people are using this image as the scapegoat to represent that problem. The thing is I don't think this is actually a particularly bad example of this. It seems like comics themselves are committing far worse crimes than this on a weekly basis. Almost any image of Powergirl would be a more compelling argument.

Dorkman wrote:

Sexy vs. sexualized is the difference between Taylor Lautner fixing a motorcycle in the TWILIGHT movies -- he wears a sleeveless shirt to show off his guns but otherwise fixes a motorcycle in a perfectly sensible way -- and Megan Fox fixing a motorcycle in TRANSFORMERS -- she wears a halter top and shortie shorts AND leans, rubs, and stretches against the thing so that the only thing you're thinking of is sex.

That's a valid point and a great example, but on the same token how is the fact that Lautner is shirtless in virtually every piece of promotional material for those films any different. In that case they're trying to appeal to a female audience with the idea of sex and do so by simply presenting him muscle clad, rugged and shirtless. The only purpose of that is for him to be sexy, and the fact that he's not actively gyrating does not make it less so.  There's a reason those shirtless posters are in the bedrooms of thousands of girls across the world and it sure isn't because he's an amazing acting talent.

I feel like people are conditioned by society to find some thing sexy and some things not. The idealised male form is the sexualised male form. A male trying to do anything we associate with a sexy pose or movement would likely cause more comedy than it would actual titillation. The fact of that matter is that if your going to try to sexualise the male form in order to appeal to a certain audience then it seems like you're going to end up going to that same idealised version of the male and just showcase it.

And as a disclaimer all of this is of course just my opinion. I'm not trying to force it down anyone's throats, just put it out there for the purpose of discussion. Heck, I'd love for someone to change my mind.

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Unpopular opinions? *glances around nervously* Well here goes...

I like Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig as Bond more than Sean Connery. I feel like Connery has just been considered the best Bond for so many decades now it's essentially brainwashed into people (though I won't begrudge you if you genuinely feel that way) but I much prefer these two actors. I will certainly admit that after Goldeneye the Pierce Brosnan films were not at all good though I think that actually has very little to do with Brosnan who is consistently good in them.

I love the rock opera musical Repo: The Genetic Opera. I dunno if this ones actually an unpopular opinion with the public in general, the film seems to be more unknown than in ire but I absolutely adore it and it has a terrible 33% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

I really like Dollhouse. There are some dodgy eps (mostly at the start of season one but also sprinkled lightly throughout both seasons) but there's also a lot of damn good TV in there (Epitaph 1 is so damn good) and I will never not applaud it for trying something so cool and different when I'm sure Fox would have loved nothing more than another police procedural about a man and a woman in a will they wont they relationship solving crimes with the help of their fun but quirky lab technicians.

Now here's the big one...

I don't like Lord of the Rings. At all. When I tried to read the books I didn't even finish the first one (and I was not a person to leave books unfinished). I seem to remember making it as far as some talking trees that had seemingly had nothing to do with anything that was going on. Resultingly I never watched the films until my friends decided that we had to watch a marathon of the extended editions. I actually went in open minded, they all spoke so highly of them I wanted to like them like they did. I found the first one the best of the three and the other two unbearable. I will likely never watch any of them again.

I did read and love the book of the Hobbit, which was a fast paced adventure story that just happened to be set in the same world and featuring many of the same characters as LotR. I suspect that I'm going to hate the new Hobbit movies though because it seems that Peter Jackson has done everything within his power to take this awesome little adventure story and into another LotR style saga with a billion storylines and more character from the other films.

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Great episode guys. I had the privilege of getting to listen to a good chunk of this one live (first time listening to the live feed ever woo!) before I was unfortunately called away. Finally got to listen to the rest today and it did not disappoint.

Doctor Submarine wrote:

I'm willing to concede that her performance in Iron Man 2 isn't very good, but I actually thought she pulled it off in Avengers. The scene where she fakes out Loki is one of my favorite moments in the film.

This is definitely one of my favorite moments too. Upon first watch I was genuinely worried she was falling for it but Joss played me like a fiddle and as a result she ends up as one of my favorite characters and this scene is a standout in a film full of awesome moments.

I have to dispute the point that she was bad in Iron Man 2 though. I will admit to being fan of Ms. Johanson (I like her in Lost in Translation, The Prestige, We Bought a Zoo and, yes, even The Island) so maybe I'm biased but I think the problem with Black Widow in Iron Man 2 is not her performance but the fact that the character is given almost nothing to do and nothing resembling a personal approach to things. In Avengers, despite having to deal with a myriad of other characters, she's still given character touches in every scene she's in (playing the mobsters for fools, trying to hide the fact that she's terrified when she first meets Hulk, etc.). In Iron Man 2 she's told to give Tony some instructions or to walk sexily across the room. I feel like in Iron Man 2 she nails it, she just not given much to nail.

As to the debate on sexualisation that broke out, I'd just like to throw into the ring that I don't think that Male Idealisation and Male Sexualisation are actually mutually exclusive. The comparison that was thrown up is that the men would have to be grabbing their crotches but sexualisation is not a binary thing. Just as Black Widow holding her breasts in her hands would be more overtly sexualised than holding her guns while standing in a "sexy" pose, the fact that the men aren't holding their crotches doesn't mean they're automatically not at all sexualised.

Here's the image that started the controversy.

http://www.worldofsuperheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/avenfull.jpg

Try and tell me that the depiction of Thor with his hair blowing in the wind, chest pushed out and the light reflecting of his muscular arms isn't at all sexualised. If Black Widow's pose is considered sexualised because it's designed to show off the parts of her body that are commonly associated with sexualisation, namely her breasts and ass, then how is that not exactly what Thor's pose is doing. If you asked someone to describe a sexy male don't you think they would be describing exactly the sort of elements that image of Thor is emphasizing?

I'm not saying that Black Widow isn't being sexualised, I'm just saying it's more of a two way street than it seems common to acknowledge.