I haven't watched any of the live shows before. Where do I watch the stream?

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Does anybody have another link for the video Dorkman posted. The youtube account it was on is closed.

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redxavier said a lot of what I was thinking.

I definitely recommend Wild Bunch, the Searchers, High Plains Drifter (an almost supernatural style Eastwood western. very non-traditional - note the rape of a crazy nympho by the hero scene. Also an interesting exploration of certain High Noon themes), Rio Bravo (Howard Hawks and John Wayne literally showing Fred Zinnemann and Gary Cooper how a real sheriff should act), and the original True Grit (great performance by Wayne). I also really like Young Guns, Dances With Wolves (which came out two years before Unforgiven), and the remake of 3:10 to Yuma for more "contemporary" examples.

I remember seeing Unforgiven in the theater and being bored to tears (and yes, I did understand what it was trying to do. I had heard it hyped as such). I had already seen most of the classic genre twisters people have mentioned here and there was really nothing too new to keep me interested. It just seemed overly slow paced, awkwardly acted, and forced. It felt the same when I watched it recently. There is a good non-traditional western in there, but it just fell flat with me. I think a lot of the praise it received at the time may have been due to people not being as familiar with many of the movies that have been mentioned. 
For years afterward me and my brother would say "but I don't do that any more" anytime someone spoke of doing something interesting.

PS. Teague. Given the context of the Citizen Kane clapping picture, it makes me wonder what you really think of Harrell. Hmmmm?  hmm

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Congrats on the anniversary. Can't wait to hear the LOTR! I never thought you guys would do them, especially the extended editions.  big_smile 

[sings] Frodooooo of the niiiiine fingerrrrrs and the ring of dooooooooom!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW_ocZLaRdI

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The NTSC link is PAL.

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Interesting that someone pointed out how Edna might have created a suit for Syndrome if he had asked. I believe I heard somewhere that Edna Mode was going to be the villain at some point. And I think Syndrome was going to be the first villain rather than the main one. There is a deleted alternate opening on the DVD where he basically dies in the beginning (it's probably on youtube). It almost works as a prequel as Violet is a baby.

I don't know that Edna would have created a suit for Buddy though. He wasn't a Super and she had the whole "I designed for gods" thing. If she had been the villain, it would have been interesting if she was actually helping Buddy in order to bring the Supers back.

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Just so you know, it's CHUNG Ling Soo, not CHING.
"Ching" Ling "Foo" was a real Chinese magician that feuded with Chung.

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I just started to listen to the commentary so I don't know what all was said. But, I want to point out some misconceptions that I have heard about the story. 
I read in one book about real life killer Ed Gein that he was the basis for Lecter. He was NOT the basis for Lecter but was one of the serial killers that was used to create Bill. Lecter is much more based on Ted Bundy (due to his intelligence and escape from jail) and cannibal serial killers like Albert Fish and Andrei Chikatilo.
Bill was mainly a combo of Bundy (the arm cast trick was one he used), Ed Gein (the female skin suit), and Gary Heidnik (kept sex slaves in a pit he dug in his basement). 

Funny story: I had an odd first viewing of Silence. My brother tried to tell me the story but I confused what he said about Bill and Lecter. I thought they were the same guy and Lecter was breaking out to kill and then sneaking back into prison. I kept waiting for Lecter to be revealed as Buffalo Bill. I wondered why they were showing a different guy.

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Jeffery Harrell wrote:

That's just the thing, you see. It's not the only possible definition. Other people have different definitions; QED. Nobody says you have to agree with their definitions, but it's not reasonable to just pretend they don't exist just because they don't jive with your own interpretation of what "Christian" means.

It isn't "my" interpretation. The word "Christian" was first used in Antioch to identify those who followed the teachings of Jesus and the apostles (Acts 11:26 if anyone cares). Any other definition is made up. C. S. Lewis compared it to the word "gentleman" which lost its original meaning and early uses of it became useless unless people knew what it originally referred to.
Words have meaning. If definitions become relative then we have no basis for understanding what anyone is saying. If I say I am a Buddhist but go against the fundamental teachings of Buddhism, I am not, by definition, a Buddhist. If I say I am a  Socialist Liberal Democrat but vote only for Capitalist Conservative Republicans, I am, by definition, not a Socialist liberal democrat.
Any definition of Christian has to be based on New Testament teaching - i.e. the foundation of Christianity - or else there is no reason to even use the word. It becomes an illogical mess otherwise. We have to have a definition to hold people to. Once again, this is not a religious debate but a debate about defining what words mean. I would say the same for any other religion or political movement.

I've said all I have to say on the subject. If you don't get that there has to be known, objective definitions in order to make any sense of words, then we can't possibly continue to communicate.

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Jeffery Harrell wrote:

Drawing a distinction between people who conform to some definition of Christianity and people who merely claim to be Christian is kind of weak sauce.

In what way is it "weak sauce". And it's not "some definition", it's THE only possible definition. Christian means "follower of Christ". If one does not follow those teachings then one, by definition, is not a Christian. It isn't a religious opinion, it is fact.

And of course there are people who say they are Christians who are "dicks". Part of Christianity is to acknowledge that we all fall short of the mark (the actual definition of the Greek word translated "sin")

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DorkmanScott wrote:
fardawg wrote:

If the charges are true, then not only does that violate his rights but also true Christianity. No real Christian would send death threats or harass anyone. trying to force someone to convert is the antithesis of Christianity.

No TRUE Scotsman would put sugar on his porridge!

And you did not just link to World Nut Daily as a credible primary source. You just didn't.

Really Dorkman? I can't believe you would sink to that. It is in no way a "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Last time I checked there was no "Scotsman Bible" that defined what a Scotsman is supposed to do. There IS a clear definition of what a Christian is, based on the New Testament. Whether you believe it or not, you can't deny that, by definition, a Christian is supposed to follow the teachings of the New Testament. Your use of a fallacy is a fallacy itself.
That story is in more than WND. I just grabbed that link because it was the one I had up at the time.

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Invid wrote:

There has been scandal at the Air Force Academy regarding cadets pressured to convert, non christians harassed, etc. One school does not an organization tarnish, naturally, but it's human nature to apply the actions of a small group to a larger one, be it the military or Islam. I try to just put it down to the fact there are evil idiots in every group (even here!).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/us/26atheist.html

If the charges are true, then not only does that violate his rights but also true Christianity. No real Christian would send death threats or harass anyone. trying to force someone to convert is the antithesis of Christianity. This does not prove a "christianization" of the military however.

The military shut down a baptist church service that was led by a baptist chaplain. No one was compelled to attend, yet it was still shut down. The chaplain was also told off for answering the religious questions of soldiers with his own beliefs. I would probably disagree with the guy on some things, but he should have the freedom to hold a service for baptist soldiers. I would say the same for atheists who wanted to hold a meeting.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=64495

As for the majority of Islam being misrepresented by the actions of a small segment, it is the minority that is being misrepresented. Just look up the "Cairo Declaration of Human Rights" from the Organization of the Islamic Conference, representing 57 Islamic states. Its a bunch of double speak in order to make it seem as if they are supporting human rights.
“Everyone shall have the right to express
his opinion freely in such manner as
would not be contradictory to the principles
of Shari’ah.”
http://www.wcl.american.edu/hrbrief/16/ … e.pdf?rd=1

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Deamon
Got those Bush quotes yet, or do you want to recant? Real evidence of the "Christianization" of the US Military would also be nice. You can't just make claims about the motives of the military without evidence.

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"As for terrorists willing to kill civilians what are you talking about? when you drop bombs from 60000 feet people die. To get upset by a particular method is ridiculous. Some one trapped under three tons of fallen concrete versus some one dying on a street corner are not moral choices but weapon choices."

I'm talking about targeting civilians directly, hence "prime target", not as collateral damage. Hijacking a plane full of civilians and flying it into a civilian target etc. is very different than targeting military sites that happen to have civilians in the area.

"Whats seems to be happening in the US is something similar with the rise of fundamental religion, denial of scientific concepts such as stem cells or evolution. There plenty of evidence on the "Christianization" of the US armed forces over the last twenty years. So to claim their the only force motivated by crazy religions is false. Bush made many claims that god had told him to do various things such as start wars etc. as well. "

"Fundamental" Christianity is very different from Islam. No Christians that truly believe in the fundamentals of Christianity are going to wage "holy war". There is no such thing as holy war in Christianity. And Catholicism doesn't count as they go beyond the scriptures. Holy war and conversion by the sword is, however, fundamental to Islam.

There is no "denial" of stem cells. The debate is over what kind of stem cells we should be using. It's an ethical debate, not religious. Evolution has been used as an excuse for eugenics and genocide, so don't even bother. And I suppose you can get actual quotes from Bush saying that God told him to start wars? What do you think about Hillary saying the holy spirit guides her?

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Invid wrote:

If the next war had started out or quickly grown to involve bombing cities to intentionally kill civilians, I think nukes would have been used with no second thoughts. It's a fluke of history that there was this gap where there was time for the idea of mass murder to become morally wrong.

The problem is that now we have to account for Radical Islamic Terrorists. We are now dealing with people who have no moral qualms with killing civilians as a prime target. In fact, they see it as a religious act. They get ahold of enough nukes and you can bet they will "cleanse" the earth. "bomb-de-bomb-de-bomb"
You also have the nutter Ahmadinejad who believes that the "hidden imam" will come soon (preceded by global war and jihad) and believes that he can hasten his coming by fighting Islam's enemies.

Again, anyone who thinks we should get rid of, or even cut down our nukes is out of their mind. This isn't kindergarten where teacher will make the bully sit in the corner without cookies.

From the NY Times
"Discussing his approach to nuclear security the day before formally releasing his new strategy, Mr. Obama described his policy as part of a broader effort to edge the world toward making nuclear weapons obsolete, and to create incentives for countries to give up any nuclear ambitions. To set an example, the new strategy renounces the development of any new nuclear weapons, overruling the initial position of his own defense secretary."

"making nuclear weapons obsolete"? "create incentives for countries to give up any nuclear ambitions"?  Yeah....That's gonna happen.
"the new strategy renounces the development of any new nuclear weapons" I feel so much safer now.

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From what I gather, Inventec, a Taiwanese company, supplies the parts from Taiwan and builds them in Shanghai, China.

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Deamon wrote:

And i find it stranger that the nation you wanted to nuke and thus start a final human war with now makes your Ipods.

We wanted to nuke Taiwan? tongue


And for those who might think we shouldn't have nukes, are you going to make our enemies "pinky swear" that they won't hold back a few or develop them in the future?

The point of having them in the first place was to get them before our insane, suicidal enemies developed them first. How do you think Japan would have acted if they had the tech first?

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Joe wrote:

I recently saw a Korean film called Old Boy. It's dark, complex and fucked up in all the best ways. I would enjoy a commentary of Old Boy.

That film is soooo messed up. Yet so good.

Lucky for us, the remake staring Will Smith and directed by Spielberg (no kidding!) has been tanked.

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"There aren't many movies out there with cool mathematicians."

Chaotician, actually!  Chaotician!

Phi doesn't subscribe to Chaos.

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Apparently the Online game explained how Neo could connect with the machines without being plugged in. It's due to the "Biological Interface Program".

"Despite having "died" during the course of the third film, Trinity made a return to the series in the official continuation, The Matrix Online. Taking on a major role in the game's final chapters it was revealed both she and Neo were actually the cumulation of decades of Machine research into translating human DNA perfectly into Machine code, allowing them to interface directly with technology without the need for simulated interfaces."

It's a bit odd to have Trinity be part of the program too.

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"Fardawg, I would take you more seriously, or at least pretend to, if you didn't post two, three, four, and even five posts in a row."

That's OK. I don't pretend to take you seriously.

I post more than one if they are long and have (in my opinion) different topics.  If I am replying to someones post directly I don't feel like adding something that isn't directed at them.

"Please."

No. wink

I combined the ones that did belong (IMHO) with the ones above it. I think I got in the habit posting on Youtube.

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Here is a outline of the father and Vader characters in the scripts. Just for the heck of it.

Rough Draft- Vader (aka Valorum) turns good at the end. The father is alive, mostly machine and sacrifices his life.

Revised First- same. Vader called Dodana

Second Draft- Father is alive at the end. Vader stays evil and supposedly dies.

Third Draft- The father is dead but Luke remembers him. Vader stays evil and lives

Fourth Draft- The father is dead and Luke doesn't really remember him much. Vader stays evil and lives.

Revised Fourth- Same as film.

It's clear that as late as the Third Draft (most likely 4th too) The father and Vader are separate. In the 3rd he decides to keeps Vader alive and by the revised 4th the father died before Luke could know him. It's not clear from what I saw when Lucas decided that Vader would be part machine.

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David Lynch's Dune. I've been waiting for a commentary on it. The only one I can find is a pay riff track.

And finish the original SW trilogy.

And Bram Stoker's Dracula would be Excellent! You can take the "excellent" as either Ted Theodore Logan or Mr. Burns. Both work.

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"There's not a shred of evidence in any of the drafts that Vader was Luke's father."

  Never said there was. (Though the fact that he combined aspects of the redeemed Vader figure with the mostly machine father figure could be evidence that he was at least toying with the idea of making Vader the father. He was reading Campbell at the time and could have taken the idea of the Atonement With the Father step to heart).
  What I said was that he COULD have had the notion by the time ANH started filming. And if he did have it by then I see no problem with his keeping it a secret till the scene where it is revealed. I wouldn't want to give that away. He seems to have kept if from everyone until he told Mark. The shooting script had the alternate line.  Are you saying that he had the idea just before the rolled film?

"It's tantamount to hero-worship to argue that he had not only conceived the idea but was actively keeping it secret."

  Hero worship? I specifically said that I wasn't an apologist and didn't believe his version of the story. He clearly makes shit up. Some "hero-worship"!

"But no-one ever thinks Lucas didn't make that one up on the spot for ROTJ"

  By "make it up on the spot" I assume you mean once he started writing the script and knew he wasn't making another sequel. The June 12, 1981 Revised Rough Draft has Leia as his sister. He also cut out the more passionate kiss in Empire. Which he said was because he decided then that she would be the sister.

"Why? Because Lucas has spent the last decade going around trying to rewrite the story of Star Wars..."

  Or maybe because he isn't as big a liar as you (and me) think...Nah!

  Seriously though, why even bring Leia up? It doesn't help your case in the least.

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I have read some of Secret History. I don't see it "laying to rest" anything more than that Vader wasn't Luke's father the whole time and that Darth Vader = Dark Father was BS. I have no problem with the idea that Lucas didn't want anyone to know that he was toying with the idea.
Notice I said, "THOUGHT that Vader MIGHT be Luke's father by the time they shot ANH." I don't know that he had decided that it was the case by then.