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How does the name of the character represent a problem?

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The 14,000 year old man is named Oldman (Old Man). It's exactly that kind of on the nose superficiality that permeates the entire film. Combine that with the poor production value, clunky dialogue, and laughable dinner-theater performances and you've got something I found frankly unwatchable.

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Your post reads like it's arguing with me, but it backs up the point I'm making, so I'm confused.

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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I keep thinking that I should see it again, but I honestly don't know if I could handle it. Especially now that I know how it ends.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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314 (edited by johnpavlich 2014-02-05 21:43:48)

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I wasn't specifically arguing that it's real, necessarily. My point was more that the name shouldn't really be an issue in the first place. I mean, what would YOU name a 14,000 year-old man with a sense of humor? Would you prefer, "Smith"?

EDITED TO ADD: Also, the screenwriter is dead, so.... smile

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I can't help but think some of you haven't even seen the movie. The name isn't given in an attempt to be clever, smarmy, satirical or whatever, it's not a wink wink to the audience, it's not really given to him by the screenwriter in that sense, it's the name the character has given himself - one of many that he has gone by in his long lifetime. And that act demonstrates an aspect of the character and how he feels about himself (much the same as it does in Django).

Which is basically completely missing the point.

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Unless the movie is a comedy, the character naming himself "Oldman" is still dumb. And no matter what, the screenwriter gave it to him, so I'm not super clear on your point there.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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I think you're getting too hung up on a perception that the screenwriter is trying to be clever with the name rather than understanding why the character is going by that specific name. Why is any name given to anyone - fictional or otherwise? And why did this character choose Oldman for what is a temporary alias? Folks use all sorts of names when they're pretending to be someone that they're not, and most often these are silly, derivative, or imitation. I don't think he even has an actual name, so his selection in going for names that are always plays on being very old is revealing, and thus demonstrates character.

My point is that there's a world of difference between the screenwriter calling their immortal character Oldman as some kind of 'see what I did there, aren't I clever' exercise and how the film treats it. If you've seen the film, you would realise they even hang a lantern on the name, as it's essentially revealed too that names don't actually mean anything to him. It's not an arbitary choice but multi-layered and whilst I think the film ends poorly, it's rather absurd to focus on that as some kind of key failing.

It's not like two last survivors of an apocalypse are revealed in the climax to be called Adam and Eve.

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319 (edited by Doctor Submarine 2014-02-06 09:52:32)

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Alright, I'm gonna watch this thing today and get a more informed opinion on it. Maybe I'll end up agreeing with you. I'll do my absolute best to give it a fair shake.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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320 (edited by Doctor Submarine 2014-02-06 13:47:30)

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Great review. Though I thought your Twitter estimation of "hot garbage" equally to the point.

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Well that sounds like a fair shake. hmm

I've not seen the film in a long time, but I remember most of the film is actually about his friends, who are all professors representing various fields, engaging in an intellectual exercise with him (none of them actually believe him when they leave) because, well you know, they're all academics. That he isn't otherwise remarkable is also sort of the point, he's not a superhero or Connor MacLeod, and actually wouldn't retain memories of most things he has seen. He even makes a palpable point that his earlier degrees mean nothing because a lot of the knowledge is obsolete. The story is about "what if", possibly even "how?", not "he is, oh wow".

The film falls apart in its climax, which trades the air of ambiguity with a groan-inducingly awful revelation and an even worse 'tragic plot device' (which seems completely thrown in at the last minute to add some Drama!). However, everyone of us has seen far far worse so it just seems weird to call this garbage and even more bizarre to fixate on a character's name as being symptomatic of its quality.

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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It's like FORREST GUMP, it there were no flashbacks, and he wasn't retarded but his story was.

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