1 (edited by Abbie 2013-11-12 17:39:21)

Topic: Why is "torture porn" so popular?

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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I was going to say the same thing, it was huge for about 10 years, and now it's almost completely died out.

So I wouldn't worry about it as any sign of cultural decline or anything, every decade horror jumps on another fad until it drives it into the ground. 80s it was slasher movies, 90s it was the self-referential post-modern slasher movies (Scream 1/2/3, I Know What You Did Last Summer), 2000s was torture porn, 2010s it seems to be PG-13 ghost movies.

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And isn't it funny how this is the second time that a big horror fad has been started by James Wan? He directed the first Saw, and then he made Insidious, which kicked off this whole "low-budget ghost story" thing.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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5 (edited by Dorkman 2013-11-12 19:04:47)

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I think the "sad song" thing hits the nail on the head. We had just gone through a tremendous tragedy that defied comprehension. In 80s slasher movies, the victims deserved it to a degree. They were reckless, irresponsible teenage jerks. But once we saw innocents die on a massive scale, that idea flipped. The violence got a lot more brutal, and the victims got a lot more sympathetic. It stopped being "horror," really. Saw and Hostel didn't focus on scaring people at all. They wanted to disturb people. Because we realized how disturbing this sort of thing really is.

And now that we're a decade removed from that event, with bin Laden dead, we can go back to getting spooked for fun. Horror movies don't really reflect violence in society anymore, because nothing can top what we've already gone through.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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7 (edited by Eddie 2013-11-12 19:58:38)

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The screenplay for Saw was written pre 9/11.  It was graphic but certainly not the worst thing ever, and by and large the film works in trying to convey creeping dread and a few solid scares.  SAW II was a case where Darren Lynn Bousman had written several screenplays (all pre 9/11) and one of his thrillers had made it to the desk of Twisted Pictures.  They said they liked it, but they were already finishing production on SAW, which was too similar.  They came up with the idea of him transitioning his script into SAW II.  After reading the production draft of SAW, DLB tried to "out do," the torture scenes of the original.  He went on to write and direct the next 3 sequels after that, all with increasing levels of gore.  So, while the timing is interesting, your theory doesn't necessarily apply.  Not that it's wrong either, just not cut and dry.

A Serbian Film is EXTREMELY specific to Serbian culture, and the unrequited hell that goes along with parts of their history.  The film works as the most literal of metaphors.  The filmmakers are trying to say you're fucked from birth, all throughout life you're getting fucked, you're forced into fucking over your wife, children, and family, you die getting fucked, and even after death they find ways to fuck you.  ALL THOSE THINGS LITERALLY HAPPEN IN THE FILM.  It was abhorrent to watch and I wish I could unsee it, but the filmmakers at least had a point of view and were trying to convey a message.  Serbia's atrocities have nothing to do with 9/11, and therefore A Serbian Film has nothing to do with 9/11.

Eddie Doty

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Yeah, I was thinking more about Saw with my theory, but I guess the timing doesn't work. A Serbian Film is totally unrelated to American culture, and probably unrelated to this discussion, given your explanation of why it does what it does.

Torture porn is such a weird sub-genre to me. I don't understand why so many people were so excited to go watch Saw movies year after year, and I really don't understand why it stopped so abruptly. You could release a movie like Saw tomorrow, and people wouldn't care. I think once we get a grasp on why it faded away, it'll be easier to understand why it came about in the first place.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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