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Phyew. Glad we got that out of the way.

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As much as you are a fan of the (Swedish, btw) actor Peter Stormare, when are y'all gonna learn to pronounce his name properly? smile

It's a three syllable surname, it is not "stor-mare" it's "Stor-ma-re", roughly pronounced "Stoohr-Mah-raeh"

I can record an audio schnippet for you if you like smile

/Z

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was it just me, or does this movie seem like a toy commercial?

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5 (edited by Zarban 2011-08-08 07:45:08)

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We dislike JP2 because the characters don't behave realistically, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand a bunch of other shit.

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Framing device! I love it! Phantom Edit!

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9 (edited by Gregory Harbin 2011-08-08 16:08:00)

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Your FACE is a cheap hook!

EDIT: ...oh my god, wait. Finifter is a Jewish name, isn't it? I... uh... that's not what I... LOOK OVER THERE. SOMETHING ELSE.

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14 (edited by Doctor Submarine 2011-08-08 20:53:37)

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Brian made a Harry Potter reference! Isn't that one of the signs of the end times?

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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15 (edited by johnpavlich 2011-08-08 22:41:42)

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Now that I've heard Trey trash 'A Bridge Too Far', you guys must do that film smile I love it for the historical aspects, but would love to hear criticism of it as a movie. I'm sure it has tons of flaws, but it's one of the few "based on an actual battle" movies I like. It has less cheese then it's sibling movie 'The Longest Day' at the very least.

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18 (edited by Gregory Harbin 2011-08-09 00:13:13)

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21 (edited by gzarra 2011-08-09 11:50:46)

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I haven't listened to the full commentary yet, so I don't know if this is addressed or not.  But I feel like the problem with Teague's cleaned-up, save-the-animals version is that the dinosaurs essentially no longer become a threat. 

Sure, in JP 1, the dinosaurs weren't evil and didn't want to eat you because it was fun.  But we certainly weren't rooting for them either.  They were the antagonist, and it was a simple man vs. nature story.  Now granted, as with most man v. nature tales, a lesson was learned and we realize we never should have tampered with nature in the first place.  But this was all more conceptual, and not a physical series of actions throughout the film of people intending to capture/control the dinosaurs.

If we place all this focus on the hunters in Lost World, it becomes less clear who our antagonist is.  The only way to really do it would be to completely eliminate the dinosaurs as a threat, and make it just about stopping the "bad guys."  But then you completely eliminate the reason people go to see a Jurassic Park movie.

And then if you throw both in, it becomes a man vs. nature vs. man? story.  It's like making a movie where our hero tries to stop poachers from harming panda bears.  Oh yeah, and the panda bears also EAT YOU!!!

EDIT: Better example.  Jaws 5!!  Chief Brody has to stop the bad men from hurting the shark.

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Hmmm, you might be right.  I still kind of feel though that in most of those cases, all the human conflict rises out of HOW we all overcome the force of nature.  Who here should be the leader?  What's the best way to defeat the aliens?  Character conflicts play out, but at the end of the day everything that is going on is subservient to our hero(s) overcoming the nature and getting out alive.

Sometimes I guess the force of nature is just a catalyst (like in any other story) for forcing characters to work out their already-growing problems.  Jeff Goldblum confronting his ex-wife, Alan Grant learning how to work with children.  There's always other things in play.  But at the end of the day, Goldblum and co. are just trying to stop the aliens, and Grant is just trying to escape the dinosaurs. 

I feel like if you make the clear distinction of the good guys, and the bad guys they have to stop from hurting the dinosaurs...we lose a bit of focus.  What is the overarching objective here?  To survive the dinosaurs or to stop the others from capturing them? 

Again, I still haven't finished listening to this commentary yet, so I may be missing something.  But I think there's a problem in "focusing" the plot on the hunters and making it clear that stopping them is what our heroes need to do.

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