Topic: F For Fake

I'm tempted to re-rent this one, just for the fun of it, not having seen it in probably seven or eight years. Any thoughts on it from those of you that have seen it? Looking at the wiki article, much more of then I thought seems to have been created in editing, something to check for this time.

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Well, how can I not chip in here  big_smile  Having said that though, I love absolutely everything about it so much that it's almost hard for me to talk coherently about it. 

It's an amazing piece of work that, first, could only be a film.  It's a sort of collage documentary/rumination on just about the biggest ideas you can image:  the nature of art, truth, storytelling, all kinds of stuff.  But at the same time it's a lot of fun.  The story of the art forger Elmyr de Hory and his biographer Clifford Irving is just a really interesting story in and of itself, and de Hory is a great character.  But then when Irving himself becomes the perpetrator of a famous biographical forgery, the whole narrative takes on a kind of hall of mirrors quality which Welles is then reflecting (pun somewhat intended) in the way he puts the film together. 

And as part of the whole theme of forgery, truth and whatnot, I just love the way that Welles is kind of mischievously messing with you during the film.  So at the beginning of the film he sets up the theme of movies being like magic tricks.  That's of course a total cliche and he knows it (though no less true for that).  But then parts of the way the film is put together make you think that you're getting a look "behind the curtain".  There are scenes that appear to take place in an editing suite, and in other scenes Welles speaks (and edits the film) as if he's in a particular location seeing something when he's manifestly not.  But then, that's nothing more than what he wants you to see, so the peek behind the curtain is just another instance of misdirection.  The whole thing works though because Welles possesses such a casual, off-hand mastery of the art of storytelling, and the storytelling aspects of film particularly. 

[For people who might know him, it's exactly like what Derren Brown, the British illusionist/mentalist/magician/whatever sometimes does in his shows.  (And for anybody who doesn't know about him, run as fast as you can to see anything he's ever done.)  He'll occasionally suggest, more obliquely or less obliquely, that he's achieving his effects in a certain way (never by psychic powers, just seemingly plausible-sounding psychological or statistical phenomena), but again it's just more misdirection.]

The editing is justifiably famous of course, and it's great on both a global and local level.  So the film itself is, as I say, kind of a collage of part of documentary film about Elmyr de Hory which had already been shot, plus new footage by Welles (with the documentary director as his cinematographer), with then some other setups involving Oja Kordar.  The fact that the whole thing isn't a complete train wreck is a minor miracle. And then on a local level, the editing of individual scenes is really well-done, both in terms of the way things are juxtaposed and the relation to the narration. 

And, man, the narration.  I could listen to Orson Welles reciting the proverbial phone book.  If you get the chance somehow, do see "The Orson Welles Sketchbook", a series of shorts that he did in the 50's for the BBC where he reminisces about various topics in his life and does sketches to illustrate them.  Just listening to him speak is amazing. 

Anyway, if you're willing to be drawn into this kind of always-joking-and-always-serious free-form world/essay that Welles is creating, I think F for Fake is just absolutely fabulous.  It's the work of a complete master and a complete genius just doing totally his own thing (not to, like, oversell it or anything).

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I adore it too. Just saw it again very recently and was impressed by how not dated it felt.

F for Fake is pretty much required viewing for anyone who is a magician, documentarian, journalist, FBI forgery analyst, or Orson Welles impersonator.

In a conversation once, I had someone say to me that, in F for Fake, Welles "is saying that 'it's impossible for us to ever know what is true and what is not.'" Boy do I think that's a misreading of the film. I think the film makes a series of playful assertions, which often get doubled-back on—but nowhere does it assert that actual empirical reality is somehow inaccessible. Rather, I've always felt that the film kind of says the opposite—that there is such a thing as a fact, and that humans are quite good at hiding, distorting, and forging facts to fool other humans; some (like Elmyr... or Welles) have it down to an art. Yeah, something like that. Point is, F for Fake kicks ass.

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Faldor wrote:

So... What is it?

Goooooooood question.  On one level, the bulk of it is a documentary about a famous-in-the-70's art forger, Elmyr de Hory, who claimed that many museums all over the world had paintings that were actually his, and then also about a literary forgery (in the form of a supposedly authorized and co-written autobiography of the famous recluse Howard Hughes), ironically by the guy who several years earlier had done a biography about de Hory. 

But then laid on top of that structure is basically a film essay by Welles, partially woven through the documentary part, about the nature of forgery, authenticity, authorship, a critique of the art market and its associated 'experts', etc.  So questions like:  if everyone (including the 'experts') agrees that a previously unknown "Matisse" painted by de Hory is as beautiful, well-executed an object as a Matisse painted by Matisse, and for the same reasons, then what actually is the difference between the two?  And being Welles, he's connecting that trickery, and the idea of being deceived, to various pet things like stage magic and also film. 

Rob wrote:

I think the film makes a series of playful assertions, which often get doubled-back on—but nowhere does it assert that actual empirical reality is somehow inaccessible. Rather, I've always felt that the film kind of says the opposite—that there is such a thing as a fact, and that humans are quite good at hiding, distorting, and forging facts to fool other humans; some (like Elmyr... or Welles) have it down to an art.

Yeah, I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I do think Welles is at least saying "look, in some cases it really doesn't matter.  Just experience and appreciate the artistry that's on display."

For the next hour, everything in this post is strictly based on the available facts.

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