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Also, we talked about it in the commentary but not here, nobody asks the obvious question when Neo mind-blows-up the Sentinel, "If he could only do that in the Matrix but it looks like he can do it in the 'real world,' then is there a chance that the 'real world' is another Matrix?" Nobody mentions or even seems to consider the possibility, which would seem like the immediately obvious answer.
"But it bothered the shit out of me that after he'd been blinded he could still 'see.'"
Really? That bothered you? If he can "see" in the matrix (they don't use their physical eyes when they are jacked in and he can see the code at the end of movie one) and can feel the squids (hinting that he is connected to the machine world), what makes it so difficult for you to believe that once he is blinded he can "see" the code? His brain is simply giving him the same sensory feedback that he was receiving in the Matrix.
"There is no indication of a remote hacking ability. And even if it could be explained by some remote hacking ability, it isn't explained by a remote hacking ability. It isn't explained at all."
You could take the Oracle's "the power of the One extends back to the source" as the explanation, albeit a "mystical" metaphor for a technical idea.
I think one of the points of the sequels was to say that things like "love", which we can see as a transcendent spiritual idea, are just words to express things that also have a technical aspect. And that things with technical aspects can be spiritual. It's part of the "Machines are not so different from us" idea. I know the overall idea was that the Matrix represents the "mind", Zion represents the "body", and the Machine World is the "spirit". At the end these have re-connected to make one unified whole.
These ideas are interesting but the brothers tried to ram them all into two sequels and made a giant mess.
This also goes into how he can be in Limbo (MOBILE ave. get it! Yeesh). If he has a wifi connection to the Machine world, his mind can stay in the Matrix without his body being jacked in.
Or he is just a Buddha and he transcended mere logic. Who needs explanations when your enlightened man!
As much as that last statement was a joke, it is possible that we are taking the technological side way too seriously. Perhaps the point (assuming there is one) is transcending the physical. The Architect did seem to be the epitome of logical assholeishness. He didn't get the transcendent nature of human beings but only saw the cold logical program side of us. Maybe the point was that we aren't supposed to know why, but only ask the questions of ourselves. Maybe the Architect IS that side of us that wants all the numbers to fall in line. He will only believe what the math tells him he can believe and will therefore never understand our true nature. The Oracle on the other hand, as the literal Yin to his Yang (see her earrings), is all about exploring our potential which is why she doesn't give any solid answers. That is why the movie ends as it does. Both sides are needed to make the unified whole and a new world is created from that unity by the young girl who is herself a seeming contradiction (a program made out of Love).
I just thought that it may have been more interesting if Neo had fallen in love with a program (or HE was a program!) and the girl was their child. That would have made more narrative sense.
And the name Trinity would have had more significance if they had a child that re-created the world.
PS. They still made two big piles of shit.
So it's been a while, any chance of the Revolutions Rewritten anytime soon?
I just re listened to the Reloaded Rewritten and totally remembered how bad-ass it was, and really want to know how it ends!
Yeah, I should've done that when we did Revolutions. I'll have to review my thoughts on it and either do a recording or write it out like with the prequels.
Apparently the Online game explained how Neo could connect with the machines without being plugged in. It's due to the "Biological Interface Program".
"Despite having "died" during the course of the third film, Trinity made a return to the series in the official continuation, The Matrix Online. Taking on a major role in the game's final chapters it was revealed both she and Neo were actually the cumulation of decades of Machine research into translating human DNA perfectly into Machine code, allowing them to interface directly with technology without the need for simulated interfaces."
It's a bit odd to have Trinity be part of the program too.
Alright, I was daydreaming today, and I happened to come up with an idea of what this movie should have been.
You can keep Reloaded, I have no problem with it...aside from the last sixty seconds. The "twist ending" is anticlimactic and it makes no sense. Have Neo be knocked out after (yes) disabling the Sentinels. Instead of the ending being the reveal of Bane as a bad guy, Neo wakes up on a steel bed in an enormous warehouse. Disoriented, he staggers around, and sees on the bed next to him...AGENT SMITH.
OH SHIT, THEY'RE IN A SECOND MATRIX.
You see, the machines created two Matrixes (Matrices?). They knew that the program was flawed, and that people would eventually break out. So they made the "real world" one of constant conflict, so that people would be too distracted to consider the obvious possibility that the "real world" wasn't real at all. The Agents were actually real people, programmed to play the part of the villain in the game that the machines had set up. Now, I know that the phrase "Neo and Smith work together to stop the bad guy" sounds terrible, and that's where someone else might take it, so I won't. Smith wakes up too, and he feels totally betrayed. He worked hard to attain his goals. He trusted his reality. Now, he's a pathetic human, no better than the ones he mocked and tortured for years. While Neo goes to find the true creator of The Matrices seeking answers, Smith goes to find him seeking revenge. It becomes a cat-and-mouse game between the two of them, and eventually they become less concerned with the true Architect than each other. Throughout, Neo explores the desolate, horrifying world that humanity has left behind. At the end, Neo reaches the true Architect, only to find him dead, with Smith waiting. Neo defeats him (somehow, still haven't worked out a battle scene in the real world). Neo comes to realize that there is nothing for humanity in reality. We lost. He uses his computer skills (you know, the ones that they set up in the first film that had no impact later on?) to personally reprogram the Matrices, making escape from either of them impossible. He assumes the role of the Architect, doomed to watch over his creation for eternity.
Whoa, don't know where that came from. I was just hoping to explain the orange code, and Neo's powers outside the Matrix, but then...THAT.
And then he wakes up and discovers what he thought was the real world was actually...a THIRD Matrix.
Then he wakes up again.
And AGAIN.
...
It's Matrices all the way down, is what I'm saying.
I always thought it would have been an interesting dynamic to contrast Neo's invincibility inside the Matrix with his extreme vulnerability outside it. That's got to screw with anyone's head a bit.
Is there a full length audio file for this or is the 96 minute version the only one that exists?
I'm not sure, I hope so. I'll be looking into all the leftover missing episodes as soon as I get some time to do it.
Sorry and thanks. ![]()
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