Topic: Cthulhu

I've been meaning to get a start on reading some Lovecraft for a while now, and now that I'm starting to get to the point that I'm gonna need something new to read, I figure now's a good a time as any. But I have NO FREAKIN CLUE where to start.

I've tried finding out on my own, but I always end up stuck in a perpetual wikipedia loop bouncing between different mythos authors and some stuff about Lovecraft, but never anything about where to actually START to get into the mythos.

So, yeah. Where the heck do I start this?

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Well, to start with, there's no real "mythos". His friends, after his death, tried to create one so they could write stories in it, but he didn't really have one. His tales seem to share the same world, with ideas and concepts in common, but there's no real order (in any sense of the world).

As for where to start... any generic collection of his stories will probably have the best introductions: Call of Cthulhu, Rats in the Walls, The Dunwich Horror, The Colour Out of Space... he did almost all short stories, so it's easy to just sample here and there. One thing to keep in mind is how much influence he's had. As a teen, I rented audio versions of both The Rats in the Walls, and a Stephen King short story. To my shock, the King was almost identical to Rats in the Walls! Luckily I was already a Lovecraft fan, but it did turn me off of King for a bit smile

Once you're somewhat used to his style, definitely go for his one novel, In the Mountains of Madness. My favorite work of his, it starts with a scene of unspeakable horror and just builds.

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Call of Cthulu is a great short story. His writing is in the public domain and theres some really good free audio books out there of his stuff for free as I know you like stuff playing when your After Effect'ing  cool

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A while back I was in one of the bigger book stores and saw a giant hardcover collection of Lovecraft stuff that included pretty much all of his shorts, Mountains of madness and Shadow over Innsmouth, along with a couple of draft versions of Innsmouth that were... interesting.

Cost me about $10. Worth every penny.

As for where to start with the cthulu mythos, Call of Cthulu is the place to start. Lovecraft's books aren't really in any sort of sequential order or anything. There are things mentioned in the various stories that tie them together, but the name "Cthulu Mythos" is kindof a misnomer, as Call of Cthulu is really the only book that deals directly with Cthulu. Lovecraft just liked to sprinkle little bits of things here and there. Re-referencing things in various stories that none of them ever fully go into. Probably gave it all the name "Cthulu Mythos" cause Cthulu is one of the few beings or creatures or whatever that actually HAS a name. Most of his stuff is written in the first person, so if the dude writing it doesn't know what to call something, it's just refered to as "that horrifyingly ancient creature that scares the ever loving shit out of me". To paraphrase.

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There is a group out there, the H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society, doing both short films based on Lovecraft and 1930's style radio shows. I quite like their Mountains of Madness radio episode, and their silent film for Call of Cthulu is also fun (and something people here can appreciate on a film making level).

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Alright, cool, thanks guys.

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Yeah, you can pretty much start anywhere. It's not that Cthulhu is the only one with a name, but it's just about the only one that has its own story dealing with it directly (the closest other one being Yog-Sothoth in "The Dunwich Horror"), and the only one with a solid description of its appearance.

Part of the point of Lovecraft's oeuvre is that the universe is vast and frightening and there's shit out there totally beyond the capacity of humans to understand and remain sane, so the stories are basically just fucked-up one-off experiences of horror without a progression of understanding, because there can be no understanding. As you read, you'll start to catch common names of objects and places and beings popping up again and again, giving a sense of a unified mythology, but there's no particular order to the stories where one clearly follows on another and it's not necessary to know the minutiae of the mythology to understand a given story. He wrote and published stories in magazines primarily, and wasn't especially famous in his own time, so he couldn't count on people reading one story knowing any of his other ones. References to what's now called the "Cthulhu Mythos" were basically just Easter eggs for his writer friends and for his own amusement.

The closest to a true progression would probably be to read them in the order in which Lovecraft wrote them, since that would follow the development of his own understanding of the greater mythology, but you can safely just buy any collection of Lovecraft stories and read them in the order presented (or read them online at Wikisource), since they're effectively unrelated.

Invid wrote:

As a teen, I rented audio versions of both The Rats in the Walls, and a Stephen King short story. To my shock, the King was almost identical to Rats in the Walls! Luckily I was already a Lovecraft fan, but it did turn me off of King for a bit smile

Probably half of King's short stories are "homages" to earlier authors' works. What's particularly ballsy about the way he does it is that the narrator will often remark on how their experience reminds them of an old story they once read, and directly name or reference the story he's cribbing from.

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The only down side to these type of cross-pollinated mythologies that go on for decades through different writers is that certain people/stories/things get referenced so often that fifty years later, you've heard them mentioned a thousand times in a variety of media and people can't figure out that it's not real. I'm sure there are people out there who think the necronomicon is a real thing, because it's easily the most referenced thing Lovecraft ever came up with. I'm not entirely certain that he's the one who came up with it, given that he and his buddies did so much referencing of each others' work.

I always thought that would be a cool thing to do with your movies too. Kinda like how QT and RR sometimes toss one of the others' characters into their films.

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Squiggly_P wrote:

I'm sure there are people out there who think the necronomicon is a real thing

You could buy it in paperback at any mall bookstore in the 80's, right next to the Satanic Bible. I think I flipped through it but remember nothing really standing out. I assume someone was just stealing the name, and the contents were just your usual occult/new age stuff.

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Dorkman wrote:
Invid wrote:

As a teen, I rented audio versions of both The Rats in the Walls, and a Stephen King short story. To my shock, the King was almost identical to Rats in the Walls! Luckily I was already a Lovecraft fan, but it did turn me off of King for a bit smile

Probably half of King's short stories are "homages" to earlier authors' works. What's particularly ballsy about the way he does it is that the narrator will often remark on how their experience reminds them of an old story they once read, and directly name or reference the story he's cribbing from.

What's fun is Lovecraft did the same thing. It's just that nobody reads Lord Dunsany now.

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