Topic: The Phantom Menace

Hey folks, Teague here, with the release of the Phantom Menace commentary. The usuals were on hand for this episode – which became more of a dissection as time went on and drinks were drunk – and, frankly, if the last thing any of us ever do turns out to have been this commentary, we’d die happy. Enjoy.

This also marks the first time we sat down to do a commentary recorded specifically for this show, so pardon our dust as we get used to our shiny new set up and hopefully expanded audience. Though the recording quality is quite good, there are a few mic bumbles throughout that won’t be happening nearly as often in the future.

What do you think?

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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I recently listened to some comments on the prequels from a reviewer that I sometimes agree with, and he said some things about Jar Jar that made alot of sense to me.  He said that as far as annoying characters go, Jar Jar is not the most annoying of them all.  I can't think of any that are worse at the moment, but I digress.  He said that the reason Jar Jar comes off as incredibly annoying is because he is not annoying anyone else on screen.  In the first movies C-3PO is very annoying, however, Han is reacting to it.  The audience laughs at Han's reaction because we relate to him.  However, in Jar Jar's case, no one is face-palming at what he does so I'm left to assume that we are expected to laugh, simply, at what he does.  Maybe, if Obi-Wan spent the movie slapping Jar Jar in the back of the head for the whole movie he could have been much more tolerable.  Instead of paying a consequence for his stupidity, he takes out a fucking tank.

"Back to the Future is great, and if you disagree then you're Hitler." -Dorkman
"You sucking is canon!" -Brian

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Obi- Wan should have been the character the audience sympathized with in the prequels IMO.  He should have been the on reacting to Jar- Jar in the first one.

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That's an interesting point, Fireman Wisconsin.

I'm trying to make you sound like Indiana Jones. That doesn't really work with Wisconsin.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Down in Front wrote:

That's an interesting point, Fireman Wisconsin.

I'm trying to make you sound like Indiana Jones. That doesn't really work with Wisconsin.

Thanks, but you can just call me Nick, if you want.

"Back to the Future is great, and if you disagree then you're Hitler." -Dorkman
"You sucking is canon!" -Brian

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*sigh*

Nick.

Teague Chrystie

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Down in Front wrote:

That's an interesting point, Fireman Wisconsin.

I'm trying to make you sound like Indiana Jones. That doesn't really work with Wisconsin.

Well, you got the syntax wrong. State goes first.

So Wisconsin Fireman.

Which is either a cartoon character or a porn star name.

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Down in Front wrote:

*sigh* Nick.

I can go by Wisconsin, too.  Sounds cool.

"Back to the Future is great, and if you disagree then you're Hitler." -Dorkman
"You sucking is canon!" -Brian

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How about, "Nicksconsin"?

Eddie Doty

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Hell, as long as you don't call me "too late for dinner."

"Back to the Future is great, and if you disagree then you're Hitler." -Dorkman
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GREAT COMMENTARY!!
as for my thought about Episode 1... I could write a novel... but I'll condense as much as I can.

a good sequel makes us look at the 1st movie in a different light. the best example (I can think of, at the moment) of this comes from the original trilogy with Darth Vader being an Antagonist in the 1st film (as well as in ESB and until his character arc runs dry in ROTJ), and yet is given new depth in the first sequel.

What this SEQUEL trilogy needed, was something that allowed the original trilogy to shine in a new light.

I have two thoughts that can never seem to escape my psyche.

Anakin shouldn't have wanted to become a jedi.

and Why Naboo instead of Alderaan?

oh well, I'm drunk...

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I haven't actually watched that, I'll check it out.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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One thing I wanted to mention on the anniversary show with respect to my son, is that I also dont plan to daisy chain films back to back either.  We live in the age where I could show my son these films all in the same weekend if I chose, but I actually think that's detrimental in the long run.  Part of being into nerdy things is the anticipation.  Some of the most defining nerd moments I have in my life were built around waiting for something cool to come out.  SO when he hits a certain age, I'm thinking 4-5, I'll show him A New Hope.  THen, a few months later, I'll show him Empire.  I'll TRY as best I can to make him wait for  Jedi.  After talking those out and seeing what his feelings are, we may...or may not watch the prequels.  Point is, I think it's important to regulate the frequency of completing franchises, especially at a young age.

Eddie Doty

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*golf clap*

that's some good stuff.   hell, i'm a full fledged adult and waiting those 12 months between LOTR movies made it a way better experience.

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I just finished the original trilogy with DiF and it was great fun and very interesting. Loved it. Now I am starting with the prequels today. I find that I don't hate them as much as many - but realize that they could have been sooooooo much better.

I agree the waiting for the original trilogy built my childhood. I remember that the Ewoks were such a secret that the backs of the action figure cards that released early had the Ewok figures blacked out so you didn't know what they looked like.

I don't have kids, but I would probably do what Eddie said and give some time between each.

Oh well... off to watch The Phantom Menace and dig in to some exciting trade issues!

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I want to ammend that I now fully endorse the Drew McWeeny Film Nerd 2.0 Method.  In that order it goes:

Star Wars
Empire Strikes Back
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi.

Read his Film Nerd 2.0 articles over at Hitfix for a truly engaging log of his sons journey through the SW universe.  It made me rethink the prequels to a degree.  They're not...y'know good, still, but for a young audience the reveals can actually be accentuated when shown in that order.

Eddie Doty

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The intended order for my hypothetical kids remains:

Star Wars
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Get Out of My House

EDIT: Actually, for all my protestations I probably will have to show the PT to them so they aren't left out of the inevitable conversations with their peers. I don't want to be the Milennial equivalent of the parent who names their kid "Moonbeam" and doesn't have a TV. I'll just have to have the prequels talk like the sex and drugs talk. You're gonna hear about it and you'll eventually probably do it no matter what I say, so you might as well know the facts so you can approach it responsibly.

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Essentially making the PT a big-ass flashback sequence. I wish somebody would create a 2 hour version of the PT with just the essential bits, built for showing someone between 'Empire' and 'Jedi'.

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...oooohhhhhh...

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Gregory Harbin wrote:

Essentially making the PT a big-ass flashback sequence. I wish somebody would create a 2 hour version of the PT with just the essential bits, built for showing someone between 'Empire' and 'Jedi'.

......

Challenge accepted.  Great side project for the new year.  You've heard me wax philosophic on the craft that is Editing for 2+ years, now it's time to get down and funky.  If it sucks, it will just be more internet wanking, eating up cyber space.  If it works, this could be my Gray Album.

Between this and One More Round, the short I'm Editing and doing fight choreo on, this is definitely a "Put my money where my mouth is," year for me.

Eddie Doty

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Eddie wrote:
Gregory Harbin wrote:

Essentially making the PT a big-ass flashback sequence.

......

Challenge accepted.

I can see it now!

"No. I am your father." [cue flashback shimmer and warble]

Then in Jedi... "What I told you is true... from a certain point of view" [cue flashback shimmer and warble]

Last edited by Zarban (2012-01-06 03:25:12)

Warning: I'm probably rewriting this post as you read it.

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Oh, you got that edit in JUST in time. I was coming in here ready to cut some bitches.

::stinkeyedog::

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This will take me some time, but if it works out....THAT is what I will show Grayson.  Daddy's Edit.

Eddie Doty

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Daddy's Edit. I like that.

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This is the greatest idea in the history of ideas.

Go, Eddie. Go.

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