Topic: Sooo, Siggraph

Yeah, this is kinda a thing I hear... any of you folks coming up my way this year?

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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Visual effects are for assholes and queerboys.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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Sooo...no then?

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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So, um, I need 3-4 years high level production experience to get a job, and I need a job to get experience...

HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS INDUSTRY MAINTAIN ITSELF?!?!?!  mad

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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Recruiters will say a lot of stuff in job applications to scare off the ones who are likely to be scared off, on the assumption that only qualified people or total nutbars will actually apply.

Be a nutbar. Be all of the nutbars.

Teague Chrystie

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Yeah, I excel at nutbariness. I'm probably gonna start actually sending applications and stuff out in about a week or two once I get my demo reel finalized. But I'm starting to seriously consider just taking a while off and step back from all this stuff and let myself recover. Just do some retail work or something. It's starting to look mighty tempting at the moment...

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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You and me both, bud.

Teague Chrystie

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4 years of solid crunch time level stress is a long time....

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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Y'know how I got my first AE job?  Lies.  Straight up deceit. 

I learned how to tape load on the job after I got it.  I needed and wanted that job, and I knew I was sharp enough to figure it out, and i did.  I make no apologies.  Neither should you.

Eddie Doty

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maul2 wrote:

So, um, I need 3-4 years high level production experience to get a job, and I need a job to get experience...

HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS INDUSTRY MAINTAIN ITSELF?!?!?!  mad

No kidding man.  Sure there are internships, which can lead to an actual job, but most are unpaid, and many are "for school credit only."

Eddie wrote:

Y'know how I got my first AE job?  Lies.  Straight up deceit.

I learned how to tape load on the job after I got it.  I needed and wanted that job, and I knew I was sharp enough to figure it out, and i did.  I make no apologies.  Neither should you.

See, I'm fine with that.  I can accept that a degree of B.S. goes along with applying for a job (and I recall Teague's advice of "Lie within your means"), but I'd feel better if I knew how much I could get away with.  I know there are all kind of resources for writing a killer resume / cover letter, but I'd really love to find class taught by someone who has actually spent a fair bit of time looking at them. 

Maybe Full Sail has some kind of resume writing workshop or something; there's certainly no class in the curriculum entitled "So here's how to actually go about finding a job doing what you've just spent a lot of time and money learning."

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The DAVE School got me a job. Represent.

Just sayin.

pimp

EDIT: Well, my reel and a recommendation got me a job, but the DAVE school is responsible for most of both. I just paid attention.

Teague Chrystie

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This website got me my job.

pimp

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Resume's in our industry should be one page.  Education up top, credits underneath, special skills/comments on bottom.  If you're credits are thin, go ahead and add a line or two describing what you did.

Some websites allow you to store your resume online, in their own format.  For instance, here's mine on realitystaff.com  http://www.realitystaff.com/resume/view/12331

Point is, keep it simple.  Cover letters are rarely necessary I find.  in case you have to, feel free to pimp your game, son.

Eddie Doty

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Teague wrote:

The DAVE School got me a job. Represent.

Just sayin.

1. Not that your ego needs the stroking sir, but you are very good at...pretty much anything you decide to put half an effort into.  Talent goes a long way.

2. I was sold on DAVE back when you and Brian discussed DAVE vs. Full Sail in the Geekza days.  I even flew down for a weekend  to check the place out.  I would have preferred DAVE; it's a shorter than the Full Sail program, about half as expensive, and I really like the "Block" organization of the program.  But... since it's really more of a training program, and not an accredited educational institution, financial aid was a problem.  There was simply no way I could come up with $30k, cash or credit, so that pretty much put DAVE out of reach.  I'd still like to go if I ever came into some money, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

That said, I can't complain too much about the Full Sail program.  I don't imagine a degree will actually make a whole lot of difference when it comes to getting a job (another reason I wasn't bothered about the DAVE program), but there is certainly benefit in a more rounded education.  Anyone with a degree feel free to set me right, but from what I understand my greatest assets starting fresh out the gate are going to be my demo reel, and the people I know.

Eddie: Thanks for the tips sir.

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Eddie wrote:

Resume's in our industry should be one page.  Education up top, credits underneath, special skills/comments on bottom.  If you're credits are thin, go ahead and add a line or two describing what you did.

Yeah, I've got my resume up on my site atm. http://www.chriswalker.ca/contact.html

I think it works. Once I get my demo reel done I'll be able to get myself out there a bit more.

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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DAVE are looking at offering an online programme towards the end of the year.

http://www.daveschool.com/index.php/about/faq

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