Topic: Children of Men
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Before you judge someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you're a mile away, and you've got their shoes.
Not a lot to say that you guys didn't cover already in the commentary. Awesome flick. I remember when it came out and everyone made a huge deal about the car scene, not only because it was such an awesome shot, but because no one could figure out how they did it and no one on the film would talk about it in interviews or anything. It actually worked in their favor and created a sense of mystery as to how the hell they managed to pull off all these crazy complex long shots.
"If I were in a war, I wouldn't throw grenades. I'd throw bananas. Then while they're confused, I'd throw grenades."
Three cheers for pointing out the Pink Floyd floating pig
I took my sister to the recent Roger Waters tour of The Wall and the pig floated right over us. Great show.
really enjoyed this commentary. completely agree about it being a film thats really well made but not one you rush back to watch again.
Agreed, it was definely a cool year for dystopian Britian... all that was missing was the Con/Lib coalition. Ho ho!
Wait...how have i been listening this long and not realized that Teague has never watched the Simpsons? Did i block it out? Was there a giant cover up and it just leaked on this commentary?
How's this happen? i thought we had rules about stuff...Simpsons being required viewing for all.
i'm not that old..I mean, I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.
It's not that it wasn't around as I was growing up, I'm a couple years older than the show itself. I just never found it particularly funny, even it its lauded "heyday." Not my kind of thing. Even going back to old, "heyday" episodes I'm not that into it.
*shrug*
Different strokes.
I remember reading an interview with Alfonso Cuarón where he talked about making Children of Men. Basically he liked the premise, but didn't particularly care for the book. I think he didn't even read it, but had other people read it so they could fill in blanks for him. So he took the 'magic bean' and the themes and the characters (sort of) and made his own thing. He was also not interested in the Human Project at all, which is why the movie doesn't even go there.
To my understanding that's how he approached PRISONER OF AZKABAN, as well.
I'd call bullshit except, well, it seems to work for him.
I don't think he's passive. I think he starts out that way, but his arc is that he grows to take action and care about things.
Yeah, he's hardly passive when he steals the girl away and escapes from the farm.
But interesting point about the Tomorrow people, although my interpretation is that they aren't perfect and she will be subjected to tests and such, it's just a lesser of two evils.
True, though I didn't mean evil that literally. But it's interesting, I don't get the sense that the government would have subjected her to the sort of white room treatment you describe. This isn't the British fascist regime from V for Vendetta, and most of what we know about the government and what they would do to her is told from the unbiased perspective of terrorists who have their own agenda.
When all characters and factions are portrayed as grey, it just seems out of place to have another organisation, which is talked about in almost mythical tones, be genuinely white. We know very little about them, and what we see turns out to be a manky old boat. I don't get that 'and everyone lived happily ever after' vibe from the end.
There was a great Outer Limits episode where a woman gives birth to a child in a sterile world, I think she was also black as well, and whilst she was treated fine at first, slowly the gloves came off as people started to be people.
Either way, Kee's life is going to involve a lot of medical poking and prodding. If they'd gone public, she could have lived a half-way normal life as a celebrity like Baby Diego. But Theo delivers her into the hands of a secretive organization with a hazy agenda whose best method of getting the most important person alive out of the UK was "walk her thru a civil war and put her in a row boat. Don't be late. We're not waiting."
However, my biggest problem is still with Theo. Redxavier credits him with acting to escape the farm, but he does so ONLY because he finds they're going to kill him and use the girl for political purposes. The only things he does that aren't driven by money or survival are staying with Kee after the reveal in the barn and going after Kee when the bad guys snatch her in the refugee camp. In both cases, there is zero internal conflict—he has a miserable life and would have to be heartless to say no.
Worse, Theo is surrounded by a civil war and NEVER EVEN PICKS UP A WEAPON. He fails to get a bulletproof vest for Kee because he panics and flees instead of stripping Syd's body. He even fails to get SHOES even tho he has a car, money, and plenty of time before AND after going to Jasper's. He is a TERRIBLE HERO.
Of course he is. Because he's a person, not a Movie Hero, and people in crazy situations can act stupid and panicky and aren't going to always make smart choices in the moment. He's doing his best without having any idea what to do because he's never had to be a hero before and didn't even intend to start now. Which ultimately is what, IMO, makes him heroic. Not that he's good at it, but he never abandons trying when he realizes no one else is going to do it.
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