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Giving a listen now...and we just came up on the whole "you can't go from hubble orbit to ISS orbit" issue.
I read an interview with Cuaron in which he stated that after the first draft was complete, he sent it to a bunch of physicists for technical support and that was one of the biggest issues they found. They did provide him with a way to explain how to make it work, and he did write a segment which would have addressed it to make it more realistic (he didn't state how in that interview).
Ultimately it took a 10-15 min segment to make it fit and he felt it messed up the pacing and other elements. So in the end it was one of those moments where he said "We could make it work, but it would have compromised the storytelling too much."
I have a general question. I've heard many say, including you guys, that Gravity really has to be seen in 3D for it to work. I didn't, which probably explains my feelings towards the film
However, unless 3D TV REALLY catches on, from this point forward very few of those watching the movie will see the 3D version. I therefore wonder if it will have any more lasting impact than Avatar did. It's certainly not unwatchable the same way, say, How The West Was Won is (the three strip, curved screen image doesn't convert to flat letterbox well), but does a filmmaker have any obligation to "future proof" their film so it has a life beyond the theater? The answer used to be, "no", as they were competing against TV and home video didn't exist. Now, however...
Best commentary ever! But I'm biased so... ![]()
It’s not so much that she doesn’t want to be in space, but that she doesn’t want to be, period. After the death of her daughter she has lost the will to live, her existence is meaningless and she is drifting from the world. Her spirit is floating into darkness, like her body is floating into the void. The physical reality of the movie is a literal representation of her psyche, and the entire movie is a representation of spiritual death and rebirth. Matthew’s actual death is the moment of her spiritual death, total disconnection from the rest of the living. “The shot” is the beginning of a new life, the incubation of the seed – hope, planted in her by Matthew, the lesson from the “father”. The fire in the ship is her soul reforged in the primordial darkness, and of course the ascent from water her being reborn. It is raw hero’s journey, as bare bones as you can get. The juxtaposition between the pure representation of such a poetic notion as the hero’s journey and the very harsh scientific realities of the movie is striking, there’s a chiaroscuro effect at work not only in the glorious visuals but also in concept. It is starkly elemental, primal, in both form and idea. Light - dark. Life - death. Fire - water. Space - ground. Nature - technology. Man - woman. Be - not be. And ultimately – be. Full circle. !
Not what I expected, and was fascinated to discover while writing this out.
As awesome as it is, the movie has some flaws. Stuff you guys pointed out, as-you-knows, Clooneyisms, but the major one for me being a product of its circumstances – it’s really just a lot of shit happening, very little motivation. Also, I don’t think her arc is that effectively portrayed, some beats are lacking. And why does Matthew insist on having a conversation with her when her oxygen is getting critically low? Stood out to me.
Technically it is amazing, and the visuals and music is absolutely gorgeous. And “the shot”, it may be precious, but I just had to exclaim “fuck you!”, you fantastic bastard, he owned it, and it certainly owns. Cuaron is one of my favourite directors as well, a master of the sensual, and in the end it is a movie about moments, emotion, and ideas. About being.
I saw it in 2D on a computer screen, unfortunately, but even then it truly is something. I can only imagine the impact of the full 3D cinema experience. Oh, well, maybe a special screening will come up in the future. One can hope.
The point I'm about to try to make can easily be misconstrued but... did Sandra Bullock's face bother anybody else watching this movie? The thing that took me out of this movie the most wasn't the where the science didn't hold up or where the FX didn't hold up. What distracted me the most was her face.
To me, Sandra Bullock's face doesn't look anything like a face one would find in nature. She has a face that clearly has had cosmetic plastic surgery, right? There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but her face totally looks like the face of a woman that has had very good very expensive plastic surgery. Ryan Stone doesn't seem to me like a person who would have that.
To be clear, I am not saying that cosmetic surgery is bad, either aesthetically or philosophically. I am also not saying that it is unheard of for intelligent, resourceful people to also have a sense of vanity. I'm not even saying Bullock shouldn't have been cast, because she kicked some serious butt in this role.
It just seemed like an incongruity to me and it was an incongruity that the camera was focused on for most of the run time. Was it just me?
Fun game:
Watching 2001 on the ISS sounds like:
watching Air Force One on Air Force One
watching World Trade Center in the Freedom Tower
watching Olympus Has Fallen, or White House Down at the White House
I really enjoyed this one. Guest FIYH Anthony did an awesome job. You guys should have him back to share more ISS stories on some future podcast (in spaaaaace).
And I'm with Phi, Anthony was a great guest! Too bad Trey couldn't also make it though.
You guys had an awesome guest and kept the quality up (as always).
I, however, disliked the movie. Not because of the hype and everything. But, because I saw it on a tv instead of the theater. The technical achievements and 'amazing theater experience' is fine. But, listen to the podcast guys: you don't really compliment the story. And, you glazed over the 'fridge logic' that permeates most of the plot (I understand the reasons but the film would work better if she were a survivor of a desert plane crash). The Lost World deserved to be criticized for its flaws and Gravity deserves to take its lumps, also.
Lastly, I wasn't just taken out of the movie by the flaws. I was also DEEPLY disinterested in the fate of the woman who didn't want to be there. By the time she cared and wanted to live, I couldn't connect to her anymore and kind of wanted her to fail. For contrast, I'd have loved to see Clooney's character attempt the same thing (he had a sense of humor and was clearly a pretty driven guy). I also should point out I take medication for depression. I do not lack sympathy for grief. I just don't want to watch someone mope and whine for 90 minutes.
I think there is a new phenomenon you guys should watch for (if you haven't seen it already). You recall people coming out of Avatar and talking about how amazing and spiritual and world-changing it was? They had seen Dances with Blue Wolves and got brainwashed by 3D or something. The 3D gravity seems to have had a similar effect: if you watched it at home, maybe you liked it, maybe not; But, the 3D theater people went bananas! I'm curious to see if this keeps happening with 3D movies.
The fix for this movies BTW is to set it as a plane crash in a desert. That way, Sandra doesn't have any training and isn't expected to have been trained; There is no need to cheat distances/physics/logic. The problem is that Cuaron wanted to make a space movie and wanted to make a character survival movie and I don't think the mix as well as I would like.
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JP, would you like the desert version of this movie? Take out the fridge logic issues but leave in Ryan Stone's story. Is that a movie you would enjoy or does her lack of drive in the first half still kill it for you?
Interesting. For what it is worth, even though I pretty much loved Gravity as is and wasn't distracted by that which broke it for you (Sandra's face nonwithstanding), I would totally watch your version.
I think there's something else already in the LaGrange point on the far side of the moon. It's the deep space.. oh I remember, its the Wilkinson Probe! It's basically the thing that looks for evidence of the beginning of the universe by mapping the cosmic microwave background radiation. I wonder if it will get along well with this new telescope they're sending out there. ![]()
About "that scene", the "cliffhanger" thing... I always thought there could have been an even MORE BETTERER solution to that.
- They have speed, she's tangled up with her feet in an *elastic* band
- Band is stretching, he goes "you need to let me go, or it'll break"
- She's all "fuck you, I'm holding on"
- Band stretches... stretches... they are slowing... slowing.... nearly at a stop...
- *PLINK* - band snaps. They are still moving... inches per second... away from safety.
- ...still holding hands...
- He's all "Okay, there's only one way for you to get back to the station. Equal and opposite action, and all that"
- She's all "What?"
- He's all "I need to push you away. You go home, I go away"
- She's all "No!"
- He's all "You got abetter idea!?"
- She's all "Oh fuck...."
- He's all "Yeah, fuck"
- She's all "I push you instead!!" *tears*
- He's all "No"... and shoves her off towards the station.
- They drift apart.. painfully slowly
- She's all "YOU ASSHOLE WHY DID YOU DO THAT"
- He's all "Hey, notice how pretty the stars are out here?"
- She's all "I HATE YOU" *devestated tears*
- He's all *turns on country music*
- He slooooowwwly drifts away.
- 3 minutes later, she bumps into the side of the station - safe - sobbing.
- Country music crackles out.
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