Topic: Star Wars Holiday Special

Rifftrax is now selling the Star Wars Holiday Special.

Now, they've sold an audio riff of it for a few years now, with a link to the specific not quite legal online version they've synced to. Now, however, they're actually selling the riff and show as a VOD download.

I'm... shocked.

Not by the show. We all know how bad it is. I saw it on its one airing, although not all of it. Due our family going out that evening, and our bedtime, I saw the first half hour or so on US TV, then switch over to the Canadian channel that had started airing it a half hour earlier to watch the end. No, I'm shocked that it is getting this legal release, grainy videotape and all. I can only think of two theories:

1. Disney actually gave permission. The new VOD costs $6 more than the mp3, so nobody could say this isn't being done for profit. Hell, maybe Disney is getting a cut.

2. It's actually public domain now.

Does anyone in the know have more information?

(as for the riff, it's been awhile, but the show is so bad in of itself I've never made it to the end...)

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That's one of my favorite Rifftrax (Rifftraxes?) so I'm psyched to hear this. They riff the commercials, which is amazing. I guess I'm not that surprised that Disney okayed this.

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My guess would be that George Lucas was an actual human who was embarrassed by the Holiday Special, and so as long as he controlled the rights, he kept the Holiday Special out of the public eye.

Disney, on the other hand, is a corporation that will happily sell anything to the public if the public will buy it.

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Invid wrote:

2. It's actually public domain now.

lolno

Nothing ever becomes public domain anymore -- incidentally, due to heavy political influence from Disney.

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Trey wrote:

Disney, on the other hand, is a corporation that will happily sell anything to the public if the public will buy it.

I sincerely hope that's true, because it would mean that a good quality DVD/Blu-Ray release of the original trilogy (without all that Special Edition tinkering) is possible. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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Marty J wrote:
Trey wrote:

Disney, on the other hand, is a corporation that will happily sell anything to the public if the public will buy it.

I sincerely hope that's true, because it would mean that a good quality DVD/Blu-Ray release of the original trilogy (without all that Special Edition tinkering) is possible. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Pretty sure Fox still owns the distribution rights to those.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:
Marty J wrote:
Trey wrote:

Disney, on the other hand, is a corporation that will happily sell anything to the public if the public will buy it.

I sincerely hope that's true, because it would mean that a good quality DVD/Blu-Ray release of the original trilogy (without all that Special Edition tinkering) is possible. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Pretty sure Fox still owns the distribution rights to those.

Fox owns the original film for infinity, but Disney owns Empire and Jedi. I'm fairly hopeful that a collab-box set could be in our future, assuming that Lucasfilm's claim to have destroyed the original negatives was just a bluff.

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I'm not so sure - there has to be enough demand to make doing it worthwhile.  One of the first things Disney did was pull the plug on the rest of the 3D conversions of the old stuff, presumably because they didn't think it was a good investment.

There's a big difference between creating and marketing a release, and just licensing some old property in your vault to someone else (a la Rifftrax) who will do the marketing and releasing.   The first is a risk, the second is pretty much pure gravy.

Disney's focus is on the new movies - the old ones are already available in every format that ever existed.  I don't know how motivated they'd be to put together yet another re-release. 

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They have even said essentially that. They cancelled the rest of the 3D conversions in order to focus on the new films.

EDIT: totally repeated what you said. i can haz reeding compreehenshun

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Trey wrote:

there has to be enough demand to make doing it worthwhile

Well, that's the real trick, isn't it? And it's probably going to cost us something extra... wink

IIRC, the petition at http://originaltrilogy.com had "only" about 70,000 signatures. And as far as I know, most casual Star Wars viewers simply don't care which version they're watching. The distributors seem to think there's still a market for old Star Wars films, 'cause last month they re-released the 2011 versions in DVD + Blu-Ray combo packs. Convincing them to pay for a full restoration of the original versions (if good sources still exist) is the hard part.

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Gee, someone should do a kickstarter to raise money to pay for the restorations, so Disney can just release them smile

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Weren't the original negatives restored for the Special Editions?

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Snail wrote:

Weren't the original negatives restored for the Special Editions?

Reports contradict each other; Lucasfilm claims to have destroyed the negatives, but other sources claim they're still intact. If they did in fact destroy the negatives (which would be heinous), it would have to have been after they restored them for the Special Editions.

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Darth Praxus wrote:
Snail wrote:

Weren't the original negatives restored for the Special Editions?

Reports contradict each other; Lucasfilm claims to have destroyed the negatives, but other sources claim they're still intact. If they did in fact destroy the negatives (which would be heinous), it would have to have been after they restored them for the Special Editions.


I doubt Lucas would be that callous towards ANY film.

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Darth Praxus wrote:
Snail wrote:

Weren't the original negatives restored for the Special Editions?

Reports contradict each other; Lucasfilm claims to have destroyed the negatives, but other sources claim they're still intact. If they did in fact destroy the negatives (which would be heinous), it would have to have been after they restored them for the Special Editions.

I've heard that, but I can't believe ANYONE would do destroy negatives like that. hmm

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Marty J wrote:
Trey wrote:

there has to be enough demand to make doing it worthwhile

Well, that's the real trick, isn't it? And it's probably going to cost us something extra... wink

IIRC, the petition at http://originaltrilogy.com had "only" about 70,000 signatures. And as far as I know, most casual Star Wars viewers simply don't care which version they're watching. The distributors seem to think there's still a market for old Star Wars films, 'cause last month they re-released the 2011 versions in DVD + Blu-Ray combo packs. Convincing them to pay for a full restoration of the original versions (if good sources still exist) is the hard part.

I thought they touched up the original film, and that was why Luke's blade in Star Wars appeared green  hmm

I have a feeling that the super bonus edition of all nine movies will be the pack to end all packs. Maybe Disney will release the unedited OT then

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fireproof78 wrote:

I have a feeling that the super bonus edition of all nine movies will be the pack to end all packs. Maybe Disney will release the unedited OT then

Will there still be blu-ray in 2021? It'll be a 600GB download onto your iPhone 12S

not long to go now...

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Don't you worry, Disney will continue to release new editions of Star Wars and charge for them until the end of civilization itself. I wouldn't be surprised if there's another 10 re-releases just in my lifetime alone. We'll have the originals untouched released, then they'll release 3d conversions, then 4k, then whatever the next format is, not to mention probably another anniversary edition at every major milestone date. If you like Star Wars, corporations will find a way to get your money

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Lucasfilm claims to have destroyed the negatives, but other sources claim they're still intact.

The destruction of the negatives is such a flagrant lie. There would be no reason whatsoever to do that, and at any rate they would have had to scan the negs for the Special Edition. If the film negative doesn't exist somewhere, all of the elements are on a hard drive somewhere, as well as magnetic tape backups I'm sure.

If they had claimed the negatives had been destroyed in an accident or were badly maintained that would be one thing. But LFL (i.e. George) gave a reason that is clearly nonsense.

If they can sort out the rights with Fox, once Episode 9 is in the bag Disney will either release the unaltered (or lightly "restored") prints without any reference made to this "destroyed negatives" poppycock, or announce with great fanfare that they miraculously found an intact print a la METROPOLIS.

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Yeah, there's no conceivable way, including temporary insanity, that the negs got ruined for the reason claimed. It's so absurd on its face that the mere act of claiming that is itself a kind of "fuck you" to the fans who've broken George's balls about stuff. You don't tell whoppers like that to people you respect.

In a sense, it's actually a pretty clever way to tell someone "fuck you." George knew he was BS-ing, and he knew that we knew he was BS-ing — but he also knew that we had no way to prove he was full of it, since he had total control over the very information in question. Hence the effect of an F-you without having to actually say "F-you." (Remember when Bush made that guy Scott McClellan press secretary? McClellan was a spectacularly unimpressive deer-in-the-headlights. Some people felt it was the administration's way of saying "F-you" to the press without having to say those words. Clever, in an asshole-y way.)

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As I recall, Lucas' answered the question of "you scanned the masters to make the special edition, so why not just release that scan as a restored original?" by saying "those scans were irrevocably turned into the special edition as they were restored, so there's no restored original." Some people interpreted that to mean the master film elements were destroyed.

However, that is immaterial. When Disney is ready to make more money off the effort, they'll have someone rescan the masters at super-high-res (16k maybe) whereas Lucas had scanned them at, I think, 4k. (Remember the timeframe we're talking about here.) Then they (Disney) will control the nature and extent of the restoration, something they are VERY EXPERIENCED AT.

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Bringing it back on topic, I hope the first thing restored is the Holiday Special smile

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However, re-scanning the originals would certainly mean dust-busting and color-correcting them all over again - they didn't make a perfect OLD version and then add FX to it, they started from the original footage and rebuilt or repainted a lot of it.  So as GL said, the SE process didn't result in a perfect version of the original movies - only a spiffed up Special Edtiion. 

So - putting together an all-original Blu-Ray that is something more than just a rescan of an old dirty print would be a project almost on the scale of the Special Editions all over again.   If I was a Disney exec, I'd be hesitant to fund that sort of effort without some pretty serious market research evidence that it'd be worth it.   

Most of the people who would even sort of care about that are nearing retirement age now (hi, how are ya?).  I believe the in-house term for us at Disney is "dead people".

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Trey wrote:

However, re-scanning the originals would certainly mean dust-busting and color-correcting them all over again.

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Most of the people who would even sort of care about that are nearing retirement age now (hi, how are ya?).  I believe the in-house term for us at Disney is "dead people".

Right, but remember that the special editions were not done at very high res. With 4k TVs available already, I'd be very surprised if Disney thought a 4k version that old fans and film historians don't like is good enough for the long haul. I think they'll look for the next round-numbered anniversary--the 40th in 2017--and do a full restoration, like they've done with many old Disney films. They MAY wait to do it in 2027 for the 50th, tho, but I'm very confident that they'll do it.

On second thought, they'll definitely wait for the 50th. There's way more money to be had with Ep 7, 8, and 9.

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At the risk of sounding both hopeful and annoying, how much research went in to John Carter? I mean, Disney's track record, at least of late (and to me, an industry outsider) has been to take known properties (John Carter, TRON, now Star Wars) and put gobs of money in to it. Maybe John Carter and TRON made them more wary, but Star Wars is a cash cow-even if The Clone Wars and Prequels were critically bad, there is still gold in them thar hills...sorry, couldn't resist the cliche.

While I'm sure that Disney will kind of do a slow dip in to the SW universe, I think once the money comes in, yeah, nothing will be off limits.

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