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In a time where everything is CGI, Evil Dead decided to go the old school route and use practical effects for like 98% of the material in the film. That deserves to be recognized.

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Totally forgot about Elysium. That might get the Iron Man spot.

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This is too amusing not to pass on. My sister and her hubby saw Gravity tonight, in 2D. Her verdict? It's boring, as nothing happens smile Her exact description was, about 20 minutes in you're down to one character, and you know nothing can happen to them or the movie ends so there's zero suspense. The visuals also did nothing for her, as that's just what every movie looks like nowadays.

Obviously, it's just not her kind of film smile She likes plot, and is more a destination than the journey type of person.

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I agree with the general awe and the specific bafflement over the Clooney Depature scene.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet (pardon if I just missed it in this thread) was how much horsing around Clooney was doing at the beginning. I really couldn't believe they had him just flying circles around the shuttle, putting them all in danger if he collided with something and wasting all that fuel, not to mention all the pointless jabber he was doing while the inexperienced Bullock was trying to accomplish the actual mission. And Faceless Astronat #3 wasn't much better.

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I think it was meant (guy number three more than Clooney) to appeal to everyone's "god it'd be fun to be in space, floating around" instinct, before all hell breaks loose.

But yeah, as a matter of protocol, not so much.

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I'll just leave this here.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/ … pen/n41898

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That SNL sketch was followed up on with a "Weekend Update" joke that basically said that the most farfetched thing about the film was George Clooney spending that much time talking to a woman his own age.

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Just saw it again.

The ISS is spinning. Gently, but clearly. So the centripetal force is pulling Clooney "out."

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Saw this posted elsewhere. 

http://i.imgur.com/B5C40FP.jpg

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Dorkman wrote:

The ISS is spinning. Gently, but clearly. So the centripetal force is pulling Clooney "out."

Cool! So the scenery around the astronauts was also changing (i.e. sometimes Earth is behind them, sometimes not)? I guess that also means that Clooney let go at the right time and was lucky not to have fallen toward Earth.

I can't wait to get this on Blu-Ray so I can scrub through that scene. I imagine it's a little hard to get a grip on it because the apparent movement of everything in the scene depends so much on the camera's own position and movement.

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Cool! So the scenery around the astronauts was also changing (i.e. sometimes Earth is behind them, sometimes not)?

No, it's not spinning that fast. There's might only be a few ounces of pull on him, but in zero-g, that's enough.

When Sandra hits the end of the tether, you see her swing against the backdrop of the Earth. In Clooney's shots at the end of the line, watch the stars behind him. They're moving in a consistent direction at a consistent speed, because they're slowly spinning against them.

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No, it's not spinning that fast. There's might only be a few ounces of pull on him, but in zero-g, that's enough.

Though the force would still have to be great enough to keep Sandra from tugging George back toward her without her leg slipping further. I would guess it would need to be more than a few ounces, right? But really I'd have no clue what the centripetal force would be, especially since it'd probably be really hard to tell what their angular velocity was and agh I don't know.

Haha I think I just need to watch the scene again; and look closely at their initial angle and speed in comparison to the ISS. It doesn't really change my thoughts of the movie either way.

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More importantly, from a character standpoint, it's crucial because it cements for Sandra how the counter momentum in zero-G works. Clooney un-tethering gives her just enough push to drift back towards the station. Then later at the end, when she's got the empty fire-extinguisher and is just out of reach of the hatch, she chucks it to give herself that extra boost and makes it. I love that moment so much.

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Sam F wrote:
Dorkman wrote:

No, it's not spinning that fast. There's might only be a few ounces of pull on him, but in zero-g, that's enough.

Though the force would still have to be great enough to keep Sandra from tugging George back toward her without her leg slipping further.

Well, they establish that it is. She tries to pull him in and instead winds up pulling her own leg almost free.

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bullet3 wrote:

More importantly, from a character standpoint, it's crucial because it cements for Sandra how the counter momentum in zero-G works. Clooney un-tethering gives her just enough push to drift back towards the station. Then later at the end, when she's got the empty fire-extinguisher and is just out of reach of the hatch, she chucks it to give herself that extra boost and makes it. I love that moment so much.

Doctor Who did it better, when the 5th Doctor threw a cricket ball to send him back towards the airlock.

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Dorkman wrote:
Sam F wrote:
Dorkman wrote:

No, it's not spinning that fast. There's might only be a few ounces of pull on him, but in zero-g, that's enough.

Though the force would still have to be great enough to keep Sandra from tugging George back toward her without her leg slipping further.

Well, they establish that it is. She tries to pull him in and instead winds up pulling her own leg almost free.


Well yeah, but some of the things they established in the film have turned out not to be quite consistent with reality. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the physics of it all. Probably not much of a point in it though. If it gets to the point where we're trying to determine their exact speed vs. the length of the tether and all the little details I'd say they did a good enough job with it.

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On Letterboxd, Adam from Filmspotting has written a little piece about the accusations of paternalism vis-a-vis Kowalski's treatment of Stone and Stone's status as an inexperienced woman astronaut (as opposed to an inexperienced astronaut who happens also to be a woman):

But I wonder if the desire for Ryan to appear less subordinate and more in control isn't really a feminist form of -- or over-corrected response to -- this same old-school machismo. Can a man not be a mentor to a woman without it reflecting an attitude of dominance? Can a woman not need a man's help without it being a sign of weakness or inferiority, especially when, in the case of GRAVITY, the woman in question has already demonstrated her competence, intelligence, strength and self-reliance -- traits, I hasten to add, we assign to her immediately since we rightfully assume she wouldn't be up in space if she lacked them?

http://letterboxd.com/filmspotting/film/gravity-2013/

It's always fair to call out films that fall back on paternalistic tropes, but I think he's right that the argument might be a stretch with this film. To my mind, the closest thing to clear sexism in the film is the fleeting mock-flirtation Kowalski creates with Stone during a tense, dangerous moment. In that moment, one could argue that he's treating her in a particular way because she's a woman. But that's kinda it. Her inexperience as an astronaut has to do with the fact that she's not a career astronaut. It's made clear she's a doc who works in a hospital and is only in space because [whatever the reason is].

Seems like Cuaron makes her inexperienced for dramatic, not necessarily paternalistic, reasons. It makes Stone the underdog. When she's trying to operate the escape craft later, the fact that she's a physician who's never operated a real, non-simulation spacecraft adds to the suspense. It also makes us empathize — those buttons and controls appear as inscrutable to her as they do to us. Her moments of panic are consistent with the panic I would expect any male non-career astronaut to show in the same situation. Her moments of parental emotion, likewise, come at moments when death is a distinct possibility and after she's already been through a lot of scary shit. It'd be surprising if she didn't cry. Man or woman, that's when you cry, that moment. That's slightly different from portraying a woman character who cries at the drop of a hat.

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I'm totally with Adam here. I get where the concern comes from, and I can see the argument being made (especially given the film's themes of motherhood and conception), but I think that in this case there's nothing more to be made of it.

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Yeah, I didn't personally catch a paternalist vibe. Aside from Kowalski flirting with her to lighten the mood in a couple spots -- which you could convince me he would've done with a frightened male astronaut too, he seemed like the kind of guy -- I didn't feel he treated her any differently than he would have an inexperienced male astronaut, nor did I feel the movie treated her any differently.

If we apply the (certainly imperfect) test that's lately been applied to comic books, it's arguably a sexist portrayal if you can swap the gender, and a male in that situation strikes us as ridiculous. There is no situation in the film where making Stone a man renders "his" behavior or portrayal ridiculous.

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And you can't make Stone a man anyway, because the whole movie hinges on uniquely female themes.

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Although you can change the theme.

(haven't seen the film, and have no idea if it was a case of the writer getting to the end with a male and female character and going, "Oh, theme!", or if he started with a theme and wrote the characters)

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Invid wrote:

Although you can change the theme.

I mean, technically you could, but it works so well that why would you want to?

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Doctor Submarine wrote:
Invid wrote:

Although you can change the theme.

I mean, technically you could, but it works so well that why would you want to?

To add sharks, obviously.

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Rob wrote:
Doctor Submarine wrote:
Invid wrote:

Although you can change the theme.

I mean, technically you could, but it works so well that why would you want to?

To add sharks, obviously.

Seriously, why was something as silly as debris the cause of the conflict in this film? It would have been so simple to have made it a giant herd of sharks orbiting the earth. Big missed opportunity there. I'm not so sure about this Cuarón guy.

Now all we can do is wait for The Asylum to do what should've been done the first time around. Just like always.

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My favorite shot in the whole movie was when Ryan was using the wrench to remove the parachute and little bits of debris would go screaming past in the background.  The fact that there was no sound added so much to the building dread.

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