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What thoughts are going on in Mr. Martin's head right there?
My guess:
“There is only one god and his name is Death. And there is only one thing we say to Death: “Not today.”
My guess:
“There is only one god and his name is Death. And there is only one thing we say to Death: “Not today.”
Yeah, I'd say that about sums it up nicely.
You might see a man having fun… all I see is a man not home writing!!
You might see a man having fun… all I see is a man not home writing!!
Good. A writer who does nothing but write and refuses to engage in the world around him or herself is not a writer whose works I want to read.
Good. A writer who does nothing but write and refuses to engage in the world around him or herself is not a writer whose works I want to read.
Normally I would agree... but the man is one cheeseburger away from a heart attack.
AshDigital wrote:You might see a man having fun… all I see is a man not home writing!!
Good. A writer who does nothing but write and refuses to engage in the world around him or herself is not a writer whose works I want to read.
I think GRRM's about as far to the other end of the spectrum as you can get from doing nothing but write 
You know nothing, John Kim.
Having read the books and knowing what HBO is capable of, I kind of hate Game of Thrones as a TV show. I would not class it with The Wire at all, and find it's use of the female body over the top to the point of being somewhat insulting.
I also think the show feels needlessly rushed compared to The Wire. My feeling after seeing the first book compressed into a single season was that they cut/compressed too much material from the books, probably to give it a wider audience than The Wire. HBO and GRR Martin might feel this way now too, as there is more than a bit of concern that the story will catch up with the books before the final books are complete.
Finally, having read the books I sometimes wonder if the HBO writers are not making some of the changes they make just to enrage hardcore fans of the books? Perhaps to get buzz on the internet? For instance, the character of the Three Eyed Crow always had a possible double meaning in the books, but was changed to the Three Eyed Raven in the show. The only possible reason I can see for doing this is to piss off the fans, as is a purely cosmetic change that removes depth for no good reason...
I made it to the end of Season Two and don't know if I will keep watching. At first I was interested in the adaptation process...less so as things go forward.
As for Breaking Bad being about character development, I agree, until the final half of the final season...at which point the shows seemed a bit indulgent, but still one of the best things ever put on TV. Thank God they didn't run it into the ground like the Sopranos.
Martin is a consultant and occasional screenwriter on the series himself. Anything they've omitted from the books is pretty much guaranteed NOT to be critical later.
Even without the above, it's not fair to accuse the writers of deliberately pissing off fans by citing a tiny change in something you thought was important. I'm not sure how many people know there's even a difference between a crow and a raven at all - I didn't until I wiki'd it just now. 
They probably just used a raven because it's easier to train or something and figured most people wouldn't notice or care since it's pretty close. If that doesn't align with a fan theory, maybe the fan theory is simply incorrect.
I don't get the impression the bird they use in the show is actually a raven...
I stand by my theory that the only reason they could have made the change was specifically so I would snap and assassinate Senator Ted Cruz.
Crow:
Raven:
Three-eyed Raven:
Note the beak.
It's a Raven.
So have fun with your little tirade against what happens in every single book to film adaptation ever, in this case one of the better ones.
I'm looking right at them and I can barely tell the difference.
EDIT: Also, it was a big moment in my life as a fanboy when I learned to accept that filmmakers making changes or choices I don't like is -- as Allison once said about Tom Hooper -- probably not because they hate me personally. In some cases they know things we don't, in others it's just because they're not good at their job.
Though I am still half-convinced the Matrix sequels were deliberately fucking with us.
See, the crow has a beak that's a little straighter, to make it easier to nitpick television shows.
Well for the most part yes (For film at least), virtually indistinguishable. But the Ravens beak is about twice the size and has more of a snub nosed tip (The crows is basically a sharp point).
Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2013-11-16 04:34:46)
So maybe after screen testing they decided a raven looked cooler than a crow, or maybe it would be easier to track the third eye on a larger bird, and instead of calling a raven a crow they just made it a raven so they specifically wouldn't get nitpicked.
NICE TRY SHOWRUNNERS
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"Hey George, is it cool if we change the three-eyed crow to a raven? That won't ruin anything, will it?"
"Oh... they're not the same thing? Oops."
I think I get the argument. The fact that it's a crow ties it to the Night's Watch, which I'm sure factors into plenty of theories. But yeah, if GRRM was okay with the change, it must not be a big deal.
And seriously, who gives a shit? See, this is the kind of thing that makes me never want to adapt anything ever. Fanbases are typically both extremely vocal, and extremely terrible writers, and don't have a clue about what works well in one medium and what works well in another.
Game of Thrones is pretty much the most impressive adaptation I've ever seen when it comes to juggling an insane sprawling story and making it work in a compressed run-time. And frankly, given how far the quality drops in the last 2 books, I hope the show-runners stray even further from the source material going forward.
I would love if they basically compressed the majority of those 2 books into a single season.
Yeah, I was telling people as of season one that if they liked the show they should check out the books, but having read all five books I'm now telling people to just stick with the show.
That's very interesting. Why is that?
Probably because of the insane wait between books?
It's more that the fourth and fifth book are dull and repetitive. Every Brienne chapter in CROWS is the same. Every Tyrion chapter in DRAGONS is the same. Every time they eat a meal Martin stops the story to give us a detailed recipe. I'm planning to read the final two books if they're ever released, as I'm already well in for a penny, but I genuinely think the show is at the point of doing a better job of telling the story than the books. It boils it down to the interesting bits, still takes the time to let the characters be more than just cardboard cutouts, and when nothing interesting is happening in the books it does a good job of coming up with something in the proper spirit for both plot and character.
You know nothing, John Kim.
...Trey is good, Trey is wise.
I would have gone with Jin Chow and I would have been wrong.
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