You're freakin' me out, Teague. You're the second person to mention Red Letter Media in conversation to me today, and I'm ashamed to admit I've never heard those words before. Seems like I've got some googlin' to do.

Well in response to Jefferys rant of epic proportions, I bow sir. That was a thing of beauty.

I can honestly say that I hadn't really ever sat down and thought about the plot in those terms. But I definitely agree on most of your points, there's a few I'm a little iffy on. But that can just be pinned down to how far I'm willing to let a movie stretch the bounds of logic.

But in the end it still remains on of my favorite movies of late, for all the reasons you listed and more (Namely Abrams dedication to using as much real stuff during production as possible).

I think one of things that happened with the whole Star Trek franchise (This coming from a guy who grew up watching Voyager and DS9 (In reruns obviously)and has some basic peripheral knowledge about TOS, TNG (And I havn't even seen Enterprise) is that each series was trying to emulate the style, at least somewhat of the previous series. While not really adding much in the way of anything new, DS9 got pretty close, and that's probably why it's my favorite of the series'. But the whole Star Trek thing just got stale and old. People didn't want to sit around and watch people discuss the anti matter containment field.
And I'm perfectly willing to nail that down to the whole MTV generation thing, or whatever you want to call it. The audience was different, but Star Trek tried to stay the same.

So, at least in my opinion, the new Star Trek movie is exactly what each of the new series SHOULD have been doing in the first place. Updating the style, tone and technology to match the current audience.

So while I can easily say that the new one is my favorite Star Trek anything, it's also the only film that has been made with me in mind. (Me being a child of the 21st century effectively)

Clearly Teague doesn't understand the intricacies of the Andorian political system, otherwise he would understand his statement is so far out of the realm of the possible, it might as well have come from a parallel universe!

*snort*

O.O is all I can really say at this point.  When I read the rant (may I call it a rant?) I was blown away not in the fact that you addressed more things then I would have even began to think off, but my mind started to slowly slip to "what would he say if I post Star Wars greater then Star Trek".  But I realized that with posting that I would be posting that in response to a guy who pretty much just did a show right here on the forums!  Although im sure we could have a really good conversation on the pros and cons of Star Trek vs. Star Wars but that is for a later time and im sure we don't need this to be switched into another forum.

All in all for the shorter version of what im trying to say great speal kept me reading it all the way thru and hope that we can have a discussion later on all of it

I will agree completely on the fact that when you watch Star Wars you can see the mythological references as well as historical references  (cant remember if you said that but anyways) as with comparing that to LOTR, it isnt really fair for that on the the terms of refrences.

LOTR was pretty much ripped straight from (and I will need to check this) norse mythology.  Where as Star Wars combines multiple mytho with historical events like hitler and what not to create such a great story.

But enough about mytho and that this is a Star Trec forum haha

Now Recently I did sit down and watch all the Star Trec Series and when I say everything I do mean everything.... and my god.  Now sitting aside all the time I spent the episodes that you pick out that you remember, I agree 100% on them they where fantastic! But like you said the down side is pretty much all the random episodes that come for every one of them episodes which kinda stinks but it was someones childhood. 

Now for all the Trek movies Khan was by far the best in my opinion.  Now this doesn't include the newly released Trek only because well I point it towards your previous "ravings of that creepy homeless guy who stands outside the Starbucks and smells like mushy peas for some reason" .

As with the final point of your post of Star Wars being a book a long one that i refuse to count the first three chapters, where as Star Trek is a collection of stories. I can agree with both points of that and this is what makes it so hard to figure out which one is better, on one hand you have a Book that people that connect to because of all the ties into history and mytho, where as Trek has them really great episodes and movies and characters but its much harder to connect to for some because it really does kind of walk that line of sci fi or fantasy. ( I think it was you who said that in a previous post not sure thou)

When it comes down to it, im sure that this debockle will come down to ryan and dork doing some spoof of lightsaber vs phaser.

Well yes and no.

With the " This never happened" to me its more of a joking tone to say and it pretty much means what you said I didn't care for it.  Now don't get me wrong I still watch them because there are some good spots like the gladiator arena in ep. 2.

But where as some people Have read all the books and hooplah that is Star Wars and to them the story didn't follow there expectations  and so the refuse that it happened. 

So really it comes down to is this person being serious about this or is the person just saying, me being me I have a knack for just saying things but if we were to discuss lets say the mytho behind LOTR and SW then I would include Ep. 1-3, where as the hard core Fans will be like " nu-uh, X happened this way but instead Y made it so they had to shoot it like this". now given that sure its cool of a movie to follow the original story of books and such but what I think that most Fans forget is that SW ep. 1-6 is based on what Lucas vision of what SW is and he allowed writers to come in and expand upon this universe, and with that the fans believe that that is how things are suppose to happen because Lucas allowed them to write it that way which is not true.

now to somewhat get back on topic, tend to veer off into randomness if you can tell, but yes most of the time I just like yourself i but movies under "I like them" or "Why the hell did I spend 10$ to see this Aka Don't like them", and then of course there always movies that fall in between.

So when I posted that, it was just me saying it just to say it.  My ratings of it it would fall in the between slot.

So yea i suppose that both of us are kinda just over thinking both things....hmm this could be entertaining or random rant of randomness

hey if your wearing the cape only you can make the woosh noises.

But its understandable to come to that conclusion when someone says that, but with the people who say it they dont think like we do so where we would look at lucas Ep. 1-6 or or the ST series compared more to the newer Trek movie comparing them based on that some go and use other info that I guess doesn't really have any significant value other then maybe make most people go "the hell O.O"

As with annoying yourself, well at least you know that your never bored and if you are then you must be doing something wrong haha.

To clear some things up he mentioned LOTR in a previous post and i used it in an example of comparing the different mythology behind SW and LOTR, but being it as just a thread about ST i only just mentioned it and more or less left it at that.  And well with ST you cant really compare mythology with it because they where creating there own thing really.

As in how they are similar you know it is how people look at it.  Like you said in pretty much the last paragraph people see ships and the name and that is far as it goes but when it comes to the people that Live and breath these movies they get into random debates like who is a better pilot? or phaser or lightsaber.

So when it comes down to it its all opinion.  I liked SW and I liked ST but both had there pros and cons.

yea I will say its my fault with the LOTR example it was really the first thing that came to mind when i was writing the post and how it spawned well that is a question even i want to know  

As for Napoleon dynamite im gonna list that as one of them movies where it had its moments the first time I seen it then after that I felt like my brain was mush, Almost like the filler episodes in Star Trek ( see what I did there )

Oh, we'll certainly do it.

You know who else certainly does it? Your mom.

...that was kind of excellently played. If only Star Trek had bombed, it would be genius. *hats off*